4MidiLoop
4MidiLoop Posted on: 31.08.2010 by Halina Gopinath Sorry if this has been put up before but this looks great so i signed up to the newsletter and this arrived in my inbox today:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_O8qpgUfgs they have teamed up with faderfox which means expensive? EDIT - €1300 yikes! MOAR EDIT - http://4midiloop.bassdas.ch/en/ (look on the tutorial page for the best picture) | |
| Edmond Batta 26.10.2010 |
Originally Posted by MiL0
That video at least showed off the controller more than the previous one did. Looks like they added different colors to it now too. You can get it in black. Now if only it wasnt 2000 USD |
| Janyce Henningson 01.09.2010 |
Originally Posted by palaeo-tech
This was a thing of beauty - and I was believeing of buying one: |
| Audrey Pinda 26.10.2010 | The price is too much. Wayyy too much. Otherwise, I believe it's an interesting concept. But I still feel as though you could get away with something just as powerful (if not more) for a hell of a lot less. |
| Edmond Batta 26.10.2010 |
Originally Posted by MiL0
That video at least showed off the controller more than the previous one did. Looks like they added different colors to it now too. You can get it in black. Now if only it wasnt 2000 USD |
| Arcelia Siebeneck 26.10.2010 | looks quite a lot bigger than I imagined... not a great demo video but looks a lot less crowded/busy than I first thought... shame about that price! |
| Hanna Ridenbaugh 26.10.2010 | Hi thought I'd post this video as have not seen it here before. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8XpZFqKx8U |
| Graham Golie 21.09.2010 | look at the new faderfox controllers... at least they are cheaper... i like this one: http://www.faderfox.de/mark/images/s.../dl3_front.jpg http://soundcloud.com/luca-de-grandis/insomnia-in-ibiza-special-seamless-mix-luca-de-grandis |
| Graham Frazier 03.09.2010 | Unless they knock atleast $500 off the price, i'm still not interested. |
| Hope Franzi 03.09.2010 | I contacted the designers and word has it there'll be a few changes made to the design. No idea what that entails but I dare say a little cosmetic reworking may be around the corner ... |
| Keli Vandenbergh 02.09.2010 | ... I said it to make a price comparation. I don't like zero4 neither. ... |
| Hope Franzi 02.09.2010 | I don't believe the Zero4 really compares though I do agree with you midifidler - it is cluttered. To me that's a result of the spacing between EQ and FX controls in the channel strips and an incidental lack of buttons. Not a practical stand alone device. And you do make a point Nicky H. The black anodised casing of the original 4midiloop is pretty sweet and I'd like the proposed actual production model a whole lot more with that finish. I believe the additional control is welcome though and I like the believeing behind and sets the controller apart from the competition. Plenty enough room between all the knobs and faders - as for the buttons ... well that is a bit scary but I don't have sausage fingers so could probably cope. |
| Adolf Hit 01.09.2010 | In my stinking opinion the korg zero four has exactly the same problem - way too many controls. To make everything fit it is all squeezed together .... and I own a zero4. Has not been used in some time. |
| Keli Vandenbergh 01.09.2010 | ... Korg Zero4 has more for less. ... |
| Janyce Henningson 01.09.2010 |
Originally Posted by palaeo-tech
This was a thing of beauty - and I was believeing of buying one: |
| Hope Franzi 01.09.2010 | So perhaps low power consumption isn't as much of an issue but by the same token, the faders and layout are big selling points for me personally. If the aesthetic and practicality of MIDI controller design wasn't considered important and the diversity there of not respected, this whole site wouldn't exist. At present I'm using an X1, LPD8 and MPD24 - not necessarily together - and use modifier layers to utilise an assortment of different software functions. It works well but not perfectly because the location of controls on, and intended purpose of each device doesn't 100% suit my preferred method of mixing. This on the other hand might, and I can overlook the crap silkscreening because of that. It doesn't seem busy to me either - all functions are logically grouped really. Still, it's only conjecture on my part but I believe it's vastly better to focus on the positive as opposed to approaching it with the "guilty until proven innocent" attitude that so many seem to love. Opinions are like arseholes anyway. |
| Danae Dumler 01.09.2010 |
Originally Posted by palaeo-tech
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| Adolf Hit 31.08.2010 | 1) Low power consumption - It's a midi controller ... with virtually everything being bus powered these days this is not really significant. 2)High end faders - Once again its a midi controller, there is no audio going through those faders, sure nice faders feel nice, but in this case its total overkill, except of course for the cross fader. 3)near 1-1 control This just makes it cluttered - this really comes down to personal preference, but I for one like to keep it clean, this is where shift modifiers are great, as the least used functions can still be accessed but without impacting the layout and size of the more important controls. Tbh I believe the price is pretty reasonable considering the high production cost of a small batch controller such as this - especially with a CNC alloy case. That still does not make it affordable ... |
| Hope Franzi 31.08.2010 | As for controlling the forthcoming sampler ... there's an absolute shitload of buttons on the thing. Remap! |
| Hope Franzi 31.08.2010 | I find it surprising that so many folks on this community
don't get this controller. Though I personally prefer a more modular setup - analogue mixer, soundcard, MIDI controller - I'd strongly consider using something like this. - low power consumption - high end faders - near 1 to 1 control of all parameters - reasonable weight and footprint Sure the design aesthetic is a little odd, but hey - if this does the job I don't give a shit. Besides, the fact that it mirrors the on-screen layout of Traktor and offers access to control without six million modifiers and shift layers is great. The price is prohibitive but you pay for quality. |
| Adolf Hit 31.08.2010 | FUGLY! Kinda figured this would happen working with fader fox.... Disapointing coz the proto looked so dope, this thing is way over the top... |
| Keli Vandenbergh 31.08.2010 | ...
Originally Posted by MiL0
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| Arcelia Siebeneck 31.08.2010 | This thing has gone from a must-have to completely pointless in a matter of months... how disappointing. Faderfox make brilliant, sturdy and good quality midi controllers, but they're speciality is that they're portable. The 4MidiLoop is supposed to be a 4 deck controller in a normal sized mixer case - so why did Faderfox make all the controls so stupidly small? The prototype was absolutely fine as it was! A funny thing about the prototype... did anyone notice how a lot of the controls looked like they were taken from the Faderfox range of controllers? I guess the tie-up makes more sense now... Oh, and anyone believeing about buying one of these - I'll make you something similar (but better) for less than 1000 euros! |
| Danae Dumler 31.08.2010 | Wow I can't believe everyone is so down on the faderfox design; to me that was a big plus given their reputation for quality. (And I actually like the look of the faderfoxes, though I agree that the buttons are a little too tiny, especially for rapid button-pushing). I believe this thing looks pretty cool myself though the price is a deal-breaker, at least until I win the lottery. And sure they could have saved space by more efficient use of buttons, but the whole point of the thing seems to be to provide detailed control over every feature. My VCI-100 uses space more efficiently, but it's a lot harder to use 4 decks and 4 effects banks when you can only see and adjust 2 and 1 at a time. Of course, the downside to such tailored hardware control is, like I wrote earlier, the software will evolve quickly and the hardware will immediately seem obsolete -- no control over the sampler and outdated loop controls. |
| Eldora Longchamp 01.09.2010 | And that video was really really really boring.. |
| Random X 01.09.2010 |
Originally Posted by Mudo
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| Graham Frazier 01.09.2010 |
Originally Posted by Abyrne7
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| Leeanna Ayla 31.08.2010 | Your a little late http://www.djranking s.com/community /showthread.php?t=17554 |
| Mac Fly 31.08.2010 | Wow that makes no sence to me, no audio on a big rig like that one. It seems like its almost TOO much control over every little detail in traktor. They should have gave up some control over things you would probally never use and just create larger buttons for cue juggling etc. |
| Elton Rackley 31.08.2010 | I really thought this would be in the $500 price range but $1600 !!!! come on its still just a 4 channel midi controller with buttons and led feedback but WITHOUT an audio interface. maybe with audio the price could be justified but without, it doesn't stand a chance. |
| Halina Gopinath 31.08.2010 | I was a fan of the original design and i actually kind of like the way everything is in one box. One of these, 2 x 1200s and a Midi Fighter would be perfect for me i believe but the price?!?!?! What were they believeing... |
| Dorcas Bassignani 31.08.2010 |
Originally Posted by MonkeyFish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVD_Lvv4UOI and now i've finished fucking around; FaderFox have ruined it!! Yeah it's fair enough they sold the concept to a company to mass produce, but it didn't have to get the same shitty styling. In fact FF could've used this to launch a new look. I like the fact that it has a button for everything, but i can see that as also a huge weakness, not sure why as yet, but something feels wrong about it. It might be because the buttons aren't going to be a decent size for a few things, like cue juggles, you won't be able to do that so easily on this. no comment on the price |
| Graham Frazier 31.08.2010 | I had such high hopes for this. But now....ugh. Still would like to get my hands on one, just to see how it feels to work with. |
| Dorcas Bassignani 31.08.2010 | THIS THING IS... |
| Danae Dumler 31.08.2010 | http://www.4midiloop.com/en/home/ Looks pretty cool, too, though the youtube video just shows the guy scratching with it rather than pushing any buttons. Big news is it was made in collaboration with Faderfox, so you know you're getting quality parts and materials. I've never seen this much control over all four effects banks, and there's even a 4-band EQ! The bad news is the price -- 1300 euros -- that's a shitload of American dollars -- for a midi controller with no sound card. The other thing that would worry me about buying this is that it's optimized for Traktor Pro 1.2.4 .... so it's likely to feel pretty dated in a few months when the Traktor update comes out. There's no sampler buttons or controls, and the loop controls will probably feel obsolete when the new loop browser is available in Traktor. And a minor nitpick, the brushed aluminum look is cool but I preferred the black prototype. Still, it's a pretty nice looking piece of kit and I would definitely get one if I were made of money.... |
| Irwin Ney 31.08.2010 | It's ugly and overpriced |
| Keli Vandenbergh 31.08.2010 | ... Protoype ported into open source has been a win, ported into Faderfox is a FAIL (imho). ... |
| Maybell Corb 31.08.2010 | Oh yeah, and the styling looks horrid - always thought Faderfox stuff looked really ugly. Such a shame, I did believe it might be the controller of my dreams! |
| Maybell Corb 31.08.2010 | What a shame, I'd been waiting for news on this controller ever since the first Youtube clip appeared but now the details are out, it looks ridiculously overpriced compared to the S4. The control layout isn't particularly "clever" in my opinion either - too many buttons and too busy, they seem to have just mapped every available Traktor control to a button/knob without believeing about ways to make better use of space or to do something a bit innovative - e.g. the S4's loop length knob/display. The S4 isn't perfect by any means either, but it's more interesting than this. I'm still not totally sold on the idea of one huge integrated controller though - all well and good if you only use it in your studio, but once you start playing out in clubs, it's going to be tricky unless something (e.g. the S4) becomes an industry standard (which I can't imagine it will - it's a bit too toy-like in the photos), most places I've played at have struggled to fit in a laptop and a BCR2000, never mind something 50x30cm. I'm still more interested in doing interesting things with smaller controllers and e.g. my (not spent enough time with it as a controller to figure out how big a loss the lack of tactile controls is, but I can believe of some pretty interesting layouts, and as long as you have a proper mixer/MIDI controller for volume and EQ, I believe it might be OK). Rant over |
| Mac Fly 31.08.2010 | Heres a pic |
| Janyce Henningson 31.08.2010 | Yeah the prototype looked well nice but I don't like this version - and it's totally overpriced in my opinion. |
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