Denon SC 2000 controller Any thoughts on the SC 2000 anyone?
already running the kontrol X1 with traktor, im believeing of adding the SC 2000 to use the other 2 decks, w loops, effects, etc...
does the job wheel control loop size as well? like a cdj?
is this a good buy?
on top of it, I always like to throw in a scratch here and there...figured it could work well w traktor..
thoughts on the sc 2000?
thx |
Faustino Stringfellow
26.12.2010 |
Originally Posted by thictool
I am using the lastest version of T-Pro 1.2.7
1. Ummm there is NO info in Traktor Bible to explain how to implement LED feedback with the SC2000
2.Ummmm there IS a PROBLEM with the pitch fader as many have posted about it....and now Denon has officially stated that the will be releasing a firmware upgrade sometime in Jan. to rectify it.
3.If your going to sit here and take the time to write how you've schooled 14 year old children on how to map the SC2000 with Traktor Pro....Ummm perhaps you could explain here on this thread?
4.With all this banter about the SC2000...Not one person has come forward with a usable solution on how to map the LEDs with Traktor Pro....Including Denon. Not even the Denon community
s have any usable explanation.
with that kind of reply, you are on your own ... in other words ...well you know what comes after that !
if you don't like take it back, sounds like you will never like it
PS the LED feedback is in the update of tracktor bible
http://traktorbible.com/en/freeupdates.aspx |
Madlyn Trocino
25.12.2010 |
Originally Posted by JSM
[COLOR="red"]
I took class of 14 year olds through a 1 hour course yesterday, they had absolutley no problem with the unit.
Before attacking the device, learn how to use traktor (traktor Bible is a brilliant start esp. the section on LEDS), make sure you are at the latest version of TP... V1.2.7 (lower versions and cracked copies have many faults in them).
Let the community
know exactly want you are trying to achieve instead of saying its "crap" etc. you may in fact be trying to do the impossible, or another user may have already solved that configuration.
As for the wonky fader, i have two here and they are both running "true", perhaps yours was dropped, or maybe it's slipped in the mounting ... but return it to Denon I am sure they will give you another one by return post.
I am using the lastest version of T-Pro 1.2.7
1. Ummm there is NO info in Traktor Bible to explain how to implement LED feedback with the SC2000
2.Ummmm there IS a PROBLEM with the pitch fader as many have posted about it....and now Denon has officially stated that the will be releasing a firmware upgrade sometime in Jan. to rectify it.
3.If your going to sit here and take the time to write how you've schooled 14 year old children on how to map the SC2000 with Traktor Pro....Ummm perhaps you could explain here on this thread?
4.With all this banter about the SC2000...Not one person has come forward with a usable solution on how to map the LEDs with Traktor Pro....Including Denon. Not even the Denon community
s have any usable explanation. |
Faustino Stringfellow
23.12.2010 |
Originally Posted by SirReal
I'm considering making a 4 deck tsi where the left controller's FX section controls FX 1 & 3 and the right controller's FX section controls FX 2 & 4. I'm really busy over the holiday and into January so I probably won't get to it until late January. Is anybody else interested in this kind of layout? Also just curious if anybody see's any reason this would be problematic? Happy Holidays guys.
Not completely sure, but i believe it's already been done ... but we can all work on that if it hasn't it could be very useful |
Faustino Stringfellow
23.12.2010 |
Originally Posted by thictool
+++++++1 on this....yeah the pitch fader is completely F-ed. Not only does it jump around like crazy (no matter how you have it mapped), but it also causes random Cue and Loop points to be created AND PLAYED just by sliding it up and down....
....and while using st8updrew's program, if you slide the pitch fader in any direction (while its not mapped to anything in T-Pro) it causes the whole unit to stop working randomly...
this is a total mess
The .tsi i use is called (and it's on this community
) SC-2000 Mod Test i believe it was from Viper.
I've got no probs using it, i've done a couple of full evening
s (4hour and 6hour sets) using this .tsi and it works perfectly. LED feeback (without using any workarounds) and everything is mapped.
And with those two gigs i had to use an AMD turionx2 1.6Ghz, which is way under spec. for 4 decks and effects .... but it came through fine. |
Faustino Stringfellow
23.12.2010 |
Originally Posted by thictool
Yeah....your about as far as I am......However the update status of mutable layers with the "other" midi controllers you mentioned isnt acurate as far as I can see.
I dont ever have a problem with mutable FX layers and buttons staying lit when switching.
The problem with this unit is that it has a various states hard wired into the system which is why if you look at the "official" SC2000 TSI midi map for T-Pro, there is tons of Modifiers which control how the FX is controlled, and there is no actual "LED" outputs listed within the map.
As far as I can see the "official" SC2000 T-Pro midi map is a "workaround" for the fact that the SC2000 is totally limited in its ability to play well with Traktor. And any tweaking to be done to the "official" TSI is also limited until Denon releases some sensible documentation on how it can be done.
Perhaps the reason Denon hasnt released sensible documentation is because their afraid that it will expose its limitations with T-Pro.
Im sure there are a ton of folks who are over joyed with their SC2000 and TSI that was created for T-Pro.....However if your like me, and want to map this unit yourselve.....ummmm good luck figuring out how to do it.
Do you want MULTIPLE or MUTABLE. If it's mutable, i've no idea what you are talking about, and i can't help. Multiple however is simple with and LED feedback its easy (even if it is long winded using TSP's configurator - NI ! we are still waiting for an updated config panel !)
Oh and to date, i've never used a manual yet ! but i am an engineer and I believe in a logical manner (not to say that some day i will have to use the words "RTFM") |
Faustino Stringfellow
23.12.2010 |
Originally Posted by thictool
Yeah....your about as far as I am......However the update status of mutable layers with the "other" midi controllers you mentioned isnt acurate as far as I can see.
I dont ever have a problem with mutable FX layers and buttons staying lit when switching.
The problem with this unit is that it has a various states hard wired into the system which is why if you look at the "official" SC2000 TSI midi map for T-Pro, there is tons of Modifiers which control how the FX is controlled, and there is no actual "LED" outputs listed within the map.
As far as I can see the "official" SC2000 T-Pro midi map is a "workaround" for the fact that the SC2000 is totally limited in its ability to play well with Traktor. And any tweaking to be done to the "official" TSI is also limited until Denon releases some sensible documentation on how it can be done.
Perhaps the reason Denon hasnt released sensible documentation is because their afraid that it will expose its limitations with T-Pro.
Im sure there are a ton of folks who are over joyed with their SC2000 and TSI that was created for T-Pro.....However if your like me, and want to map this unit yourselve.....ummmm good luck figuring out how to do it.
I can't see where you are coming from.I took class of 14 year olds through a 1 hour course yesterday, they had absolutley no problem with the unit.
As for being limited ? thats one of the most outrageous comments i've seen this year, the device is PERFECT for traktor, everything i want it to do without problem, as for the mappings as I said I had a group of kids doing it yesterday. Including multiple FX mapping one one button complete with LED feedback.
Before attacking the device, learn how to use traktor (traktor Bible is a brilliant start esp. the section on LEDS), make sure you are at the latest version of TP... V1.2.7 (lower versions and cracked copies have many faults in them).
Let the community
know exactly want you are trying to achieve instead of saying its "crap" etc. you may in fact be trying to do the impossible, or another user may have already solved that configuration.
As for the wonky fader, i have two here and they are both running "true", perhaps yours was dropped, or maybe it's slipped in the mounting ... but return it to Denon I am sure they will give you another one by return post.
If you want to experience real crap, by a VMS4, then you really will understand poor build quality and non functionality. |
Cammy Clegg
22.12.2010 |
Originally Posted by thictool
Yeah....your about as far as I am......However the update status of mutable layers with the "other" midi controllers you mentioned isnt acurate as far as I can see.
I dont ever have a problem with mutable FX layers and buttons staying lit when switching.
The problem with this unit is that it has a various states hard wired into the system which is why if you look at the "official" SC2000 TSI midi map for T-Pro, there is tons of Modifiers which control how the FX is controlled, and there is no actual "LED" outputs listed within the map.
As far as I can see the "official" SC2000 T-Pro midi map is a "workaround" for the fact that the SC2000 is totally limited in its ability to play well with Traktor. And any tweaking to be done to the "official" TSI is also limited until Denon releases some sensible documentation on how it can be done.
Perhaps the reason Denon hasnt released sensible documentation is because their afraid that it will expose its limitations with T-Pro.
Im sure there are a ton of folks who are over joyed with their SC2000 and TSI that was created for T-Pro.....However if your like me, and want to map this unit yourselve.....ummmm good luck figuring out how to do it.
if you are determind the only limitations are the ones you set for yourself |
Branden Wentler
22.12.2010 |
Originally Posted by thictool
Hey Space Monkey, can you share how you have been able to figure out the LED mappings? And how them being "internal' is convientent?
All I can really say is look at the pattern of OUT commands. honestly i'm still kinda working it out but there are 5 working states:
1- Off
2- On
3- Blinking
4- Temporary (Like Reset FX)
5- Dimmed
Now with that in mind notice the FX button row On/Off state and the ascending sequence. Thus far I wager that having 2 states (OUTs for each CC or Button) handles the 2 different layers (FX1 and FX2) for whenever that layer is toggled. Otherwise, if you turn an FX on and switch to FX bank2 (or Advanced) the corresponding LED updates to an on or off state. My guess is that some logic is handled internally in the 2000 to reconcile different LED states with software. Otherwise I believe the range values and IDs for each LED would be more straight forward.
Typically in other controllers, LEDs have a unique CC or note and tweaking their ranges can provide additional states of being illuminated (Color, blinking, toggle wtv...). Since LEDs on the 2000 pretty much share the same notes/channel, it's the range value that provides a unique "ID" and controller range that determines behavior--though I have not confirmed this.
It si convenient because getting multi-layer interactivity in most other controllers i've used never worked properly because LEDs would often remain on after a layer or state change. |
Madlyn Trocino
22.12.2010 |
Originally Posted by space monkey
lol, whambulance
BTW, how many of you are slightly miffed at the wonky pitchfader? Thankfully someone from Denon is looking in to it.
+++++++1 on this....yeah the pitch fader is completely F-ed. Not only does it jump around like crazy (no matter how you have it mapped), but it also causes random Cue and Loop points to be created AND PLAYED just by sliding it up and down....
....and while using st8updrew's program, if you slide the pitch fader in any direction (while its not mapped to anything in T-Pro) it causes the whole unit to stop working randomly...
this is a total mess |
Madlyn Trocino
23.12.2010 |
Originally Posted by space monkey
Mapping is easy...it's the LED feedback that will get most people. After dissecting a few tsi it appears that LED "notes" are controlled internally. This is somewhat convenient actually.
Hey Space Monkey, can you share how you have been able to figure out the LED mappings? And how them being "internal' is convientent? |
Madlyn Trocino
23.12.2010 |
Originally Posted by JSM
I
(1) create the mapping for the effect/whatever you want.
(2) add OUT and copy all the details from the above mapping
works everytime for me, and I never have to use the CC codes given in the manual.
I suggest buying the Traktor Bible and learning how to map correctly from there, it's a lot less frustrating and you won't feel the need to vent in a community
not connected with either NI or Denon ...
.
Ummm this makes no sence....Yes Traktor will learn any midi command on the SC2000, however when you go to add an "Out" command (for LED use), normal rules DO NOT apply.
And from what I can gather from looking at the TSI that others have made for T-Pro, there seems to be a rule where you have to add 2 "Out" commands (per one button) with an odd number secqence at the bottom that goes against every logical rule I have ever dealt with. And there is no documentation to support these "Odd" rules. |
Faustino Stringfellow
26.12.2010 |
Originally Posted by thictool
I am using the lastest version of T-Pro 1.2.7
1. Ummm there is NO info in Traktor Bible to explain how to implement LED feedback with the SC2000
2.Ummmm there IS a PROBLEM with the pitch fader as many have posted about it....and now Denon has officially stated that the will be releasing a firmware upgrade sometime in Jan. to rectify it.
3.If your going to sit here and take the time to write how you've schooled 14 year old children on how to map the SC2000 with Traktor Pro....Ummm perhaps you could explain here on this thread?
4.With all this banter about the SC2000...Not one person has come forward with a usable solution on how to map the LEDs with Traktor Pro....Including Denon. Not even the Denon community
s have any usable explanation.
with that kind of reply, you are on your own ... in other words ...well you know what comes after that !
if you don't like take it back, sounds like you will never like it
PS the LED feedback is in the update of tracktor bible
http://traktorbible.com/en/freeupdates.aspx |
Madlyn Trocino
25.12.2010 |
Originally Posted by JSM
[COLOR="red"]
I took class of 14 year olds through a 1 hour course yesterday, they had absolutley no problem with the unit.
Before attacking the device, learn how to use traktor (traktor Bible is a brilliant start esp. the section on LEDS), make sure you are at the latest version of TP... V1.2.7 (lower versions and cracked copies have many faults in them).
Let the community
know exactly want you are trying to achieve instead of saying its "crap" etc. you may in fact be trying to do the impossible, or another user may have already solved that configuration.
As for the wonky fader, i have two here and they are both running "true", perhaps yours was dropped, or maybe it's slipped in the mounting ... but return it to Denon I am sure they will give you another one by return post.
I am using the lastest version of T-Pro 1.2.7
1. Ummm there is NO info in Traktor Bible to explain how to implement LED feedback with the SC2000
2.Ummmm there IS a PROBLEM with the pitch fader as many have posted about it....and now Denon has officially stated that the will be releasing a firmware upgrade sometime in Jan. to rectify it.
3.If your going to sit here and take the time to write how you've schooled 14 year old children on how to map the SC2000 with Traktor Pro....Ummm perhaps you could explain here on this thread?
4.With all this banter about the SC2000...Not one person has come forward with a usable solution on how to map the LEDs with Traktor Pro....Including Denon. Not even the Denon community
s have any usable explanation. |
Faustino Stringfellow
23.12.2010 |
Originally Posted by SirReal
I'm considering making a 4 deck tsi where the left controller's FX section controls FX 1 & 3 and the right controller's FX section controls FX 2 & 4. I'm really busy over the holiday and into January so I probably won't get to it until late January. Is anybody else interested in this kind of layout? Also just curious if anybody see's any reason this would be problematic? Happy Holidays guys.
Not completely sure, but i believe it's already been done ... but we can all work on that if it hasn't it could be very useful |
Antonetta Wikel
23.12.2010 | I'm considering making a 4 deck tsi where the left controller's FX section controls FX 1 & 3 and the right controller's FX section controls FX 2 & 4. I'm really busy over the holiday and into January so I probably won't get to it until late January. Is anybody else interested in this kind of layout? Also just curious if anybody see's any reason this would be problematic? Happy Holidays guys. |
Faustino Stringfellow
23.12.2010 |
Originally Posted by thictool
+++++++1 on this....yeah the pitch fader is completely F-ed. Not only does it jump around like crazy (no matter how you have it mapped), but it also causes random Cue and Loop points to be created AND PLAYED just by sliding it up and down....
....and while using st8updrew's program, if you slide the pitch fader in any direction (while its not mapped to anything in T-Pro) it causes the whole unit to stop working randomly...
this is a total mess
The .tsi i use is called (and it's on this community
) SC-2000 Mod Test i believe it was from Viper.
I've got no probs using it, i've done a couple of full evening
s (4hour and 6hour sets) using this .tsi and it works perfectly. LED feeback (without using any workarounds) and everything is mapped.
And with those two gigs i had to use an AMD turionx2 1.6Ghz, which is way under spec. for 4 decks and effects .... but it came through fine. |
Faustino Stringfellow
23.12.2010 |
Originally Posted by thictool
Yeah....your about as far as I am......However the update status of mutable layers with the "other" midi controllers you mentioned isnt acurate as far as I can see.
I dont ever have a problem with mutable FX layers and buttons staying lit when switching.
The problem with this unit is that it has a various states hard wired into the system which is why if you look at the "official" SC2000 TSI midi map for T-Pro, there is tons of Modifiers which control how the FX is controlled, and there is no actual "LED" outputs listed within the map.
As far as I can see the "official" SC2000 T-Pro midi map is a "workaround" for the fact that the SC2000 is totally limited in its ability to play well with Traktor. And any tweaking to be done to the "official" TSI is also limited until Denon releases some sensible documentation on how it can be done.
Perhaps the reason Denon hasnt released sensible documentation is because their afraid that it will expose its limitations with T-Pro.
Im sure there are a ton of folks who are over joyed with their SC2000 and TSI that was created for T-Pro.....However if your like me, and want to map this unit yourselve.....ummmm good luck figuring out how to do it.
Do you want MULTIPLE or MUTABLE. If it's mutable, i've no idea what you are talking about, and i can't help. Multiple however is simple with and LED feedback its easy (even if it is long winded using TSP's configurator - NI ! we are still waiting for an updated config panel !)
Oh and to date, i've never used a manual yet ! but i am an engineer and I believe in a logical manner (not to say that some day i will have to use the words "RTFM") |
Faustino Stringfellow
23.12.2010 |
Originally Posted by thictool
Yeah....your about as far as I am......However the update status of mutable layers with the "other" midi controllers you mentioned isnt acurate as far as I can see.
I dont ever have a problem with mutable FX layers and buttons staying lit when switching.
The problem with this unit is that it has a various states hard wired into the system which is why if you look at the "official" SC2000 TSI midi map for T-Pro, there is tons of Modifiers which control how the FX is controlled, and there is no actual "LED" outputs listed within the map.
As far as I can see the "official" SC2000 T-Pro midi map is a "workaround" for the fact that the SC2000 is totally limited in its ability to play well with Traktor. And any tweaking to be done to the "official" TSI is also limited until Denon releases some sensible documentation on how it can be done.
Perhaps the reason Denon hasnt released sensible documentation is because their afraid that it will expose its limitations with T-Pro.
Im sure there are a ton of folks who are over joyed with their SC2000 and TSI that was created for T-Pro.....However if your like me, and want to map this unit yourselve.....ummmm good luck figuring out how to do it.
I can't see where you are coming from.I took class of 14 year olds through a 1 hour course yesterday, they had absolutley no problem with the unit.
As for being limited ? thats one of the most outrageous comments i've seen this year, the device is PERFECT for traktor, everything i want it to do without problem, as for the mappings as I said I had a group of kids doing it yesterday. Including multiple FX mapping one one button complete with LED feedback.
Before attacking the device, learn how to use traktor (traktor Bible is a brilliant start esp. the section on LEDS), make sure you are at the latest version of TP... V1.2.7 (lower versions and cracked copies have many faults in them).
Let the community
know exactly want you are trying to achieve instead of saying its "crap" etc. you may in fact be trying to do the impossible, or another user may have already solved that configuration.
As for the wonky fader, i have two here and they are both running "true", perhaps yours was dropped, or maybe it's slipped in the mounting ... but return it to Denon I am sure they will give you another one by return post.
If you want to experience real crap, by a VMS4, then you really will understand poor build quality and non functionality. |
Cammy Clegg
22.12.2010 |
Originally Posted by thictool
Yeah....your about as far as I am......However the update status of mutable layers with the "other" midi controllers you mentioned isnt acurate as far as I can see.
I dont ever have a problem with mutable FX layers and buttons staying lit when switching.
The problem with this unit is that it has a various states hard wired into the system which is why if you look at the "official" SC2000 TSI midi map for T-Pro, there is tons of Modifiers which control how the FX is controlled, and there is no actual "LED" outputs listed within the map.
As far as I can see the "official" SC2000 T-Pro midi map is a "workaround" for the fact that the SC2000 is totally limited in its ability to play well with Traktor. And any tweaking to be done to the "official" TSI is also limited until Denon releases some sensible documentation on how it can be done.
Perhaps the reason Denon hasnt released sensible documentation is because their afraid that it will expose its limitations with T-Pro.
Im sure there are a ton of folks who are over joyed with their SC2000 and TSI that was created for T-Pro.....However if your like me, and want to map this unit yourselve.....ummmm good luck figuring out how to do it.
if you are determind the only limitations are the ones you set for yourself |
Madlyn Trocino
22.12.2010 | Yeah....your about as far as I am......However the update status of mutable layers with the "other" midi controllers you mentioned isnt acurate as far as I can see.
I dont ever have a problem with mutable FX layers and buttons staying lit when switching.
The problem with this unit is that it has a various states hard wired into the system which is why if you look at the "official" SC2000 TSI midi map for T-Pro, there is tons of Modifiers which control how the FX is controlled, and there is no actual "LED" outputs listed within the map.
As far as I can see the "official" SC2000 T-Pro midi map is a "workaround" for the fact that the SC2000 is totally limited in its ability to play well with Traktor. And any tweaking to be done to the "official" TSI is also limited until Denon releases some sensible documentation on how it can be done.
Perhaps the reason Denon hasnt released sensible documentation is because their afraid that it will expose its limitations with T-Pro.
Im sure there are a ton of folks who are over joyed with their SC2000 and TSI that was created for T-Pro.....However if your like me, and want to map this unit yourselve.....ummmm good luck figuring out how to do it. |
Branden Wentler
22.12.2010 |
Originally Posted by thictool
Hey Space Monkey, can you share how you have been able to figure out the LED mappings? And how them being "internal' is convientent?
All I can really say is look at the pattern of OUT commands. honestly i'm still kinda working it out but there are 5 working states:
1- Off
2- On
3- Blinking
4- Temporary (Like Reset FX)
5- Dimmed
Now with that in mind notice the FX button row On/Off state and the ascending sequence. Thus far I wager that having 2 states (OUTs for each CC or Button) handles the 2 different layers (FX1 and FX2) for whenever that layer is toggled. Otherwise, if you turn an FX on and switch to FX bank2 (or Advanced) the corresponding LED updates to an on or off state. My guess is that some logic is handled internally in the 2000 to reconcile different LED states with software. Otherwise I believe the range values and IDs for each LED would be more straight forward.
Typically in other controllers, LEDs have a unique CC or note and tweaking their ranges can provide additional states of being illuminated (Color, blinking, toggle wtv...). Since LEDs on the 2000 pretty much share the same notes/channel, it's the range value that provides a unique "ID" and controller range that determines behavior--though I have not confirmed this.
It si convenient because getting multi-layer interactivity in most other controllers i've used never worked properly because LEDs would often remain on after a layer or state change. |
Madlyn Trocino
22.12.2010 |
Originally Posted by space monkey
lol, whambulance
BTW, how many of you are slightly miffed at the wonky pitchfader? Thankfully someone from Denon is looking in to it.
+++++++1 on this....yeah the pitch fader is completely F-ed. Not only does it jump around like crazy (no matter how you have it mapped), but it also causes random Cue and Loop points to be created AND PLAYED just by sliding it up and down....
....and while using st8updrew's program, if you slide the pitch fader in any direction (while its not mapped to anything in T-Pro) it causes the whole unit to stop working randomly...
this is a total mess |
Madlyn Trocino
23.12.2010 |
Originally Posted by space monkey
Mapping is easy...it's the LED feedback that will get most people. After dissecting a few tsi it appears that LED "notes" are controlled internally. This is somewhat convenient actually.
Hey Space Monkey, can you share how you have been able to figure out the LED mappings? And how them being "internal' is convientent? |
Madlyn Trocino
23.12.2010 |
Originally Posted by JSM
I
(1) create the mapping for the effect/whatever you want.
(2) add OUT and copy all the details from the above mapping
works everytime for me, and I never have to use the CC codes given in the manual.
I suggest buying the Traktor Bible and learning how to map correctly from there, it's a lot less frustrating and you won't feel the need to vent in a community
not connected with either NI or Denon ...
.
Ummm this makes no sence....Yes Traktor will learn any midi command on the SC2000, however when you go to add an "Out" command (for LED use), normal rules DO NOT apply.
And from what I can gather from looking at the TSI that others have made for T-Pro, there seems to be a rule where you have to add 2 "Out" commands (per one button) with an odd number secqence at the bottom that goes against every logical rule I have ever dealt with. And there is no documentation to support these "Odd" rules. |
Branden Wentler
22.12.2010 | lol, whambulance
I like the rubber buttons...very similar to the X1. But the manual is a total waste of paper, I guess these days that's what the web is for(?). Mapping is easy...it's the LED feedback that will get most people. After dissecting a few tsi it appears that LED "notes" are controlled internally. This is somewhat convenient actually.
BTW, how many of you are slightly miffed at the wonky pitchfader? Thankfully someone from Denon is looking in to it. |
Faustino Stringfellow
22.12.2010 |
Originally Posted by leonidassr
i just got it from thomann.de.
I was pleasantly surprised by its build quality, to be honest, as it was a blind buy for me (had never seen it live).
it feels very sturdy as its surface plating is made of metal, while it is heavy enough so it wont move when messing around with it live. jog and pitch control: very nice feel, and very accurate.
all the other buttons feel as they should. i was a bit unsure before i got it, about their quality as they are made of rubber. however they are the standard buttons that denon uses on their cdjs, so no worries about that!
i'm only having some trouble getting used to the fx knobs as they feel quite stiff when pressed in, and the fact that they click when turned annoys me (as i used to have a xone 1D, with normal knobs). however i'll get used to it soon enough (i hope).
to sum up, it's definitely worth its money. i dont believe youll get anything better than that at that price. and the touch sensitive jog combined with the long pitch fader, makes it a great choice for a 1deck controller. meanwhile the different colors for the 2 decks make it very easy to use for 2 decks simultaneously.
*ive only found one minor bug: when using the shift button and the fx knobs to select different fx, there seems to be a crackling noise in the audio output. however, if done manually (using the mouse) that is not a problem.
As an ex user of ther ADJ VMS4, i know what shit feels like. The VMS4 people say the Denon copies them ... No Denon got it right, it works direct from the box, feels fantastic, the jogs run true and it's only a $200 more (list price). So for the money there's nothing to compare .... Denon wins on all counts. |
Faustino Stringfellow
22.12.2010 |
Originally Posted by thictool
yeah.....crier here.....
crying helps me deal with the fact that a company can release a product that they claim is "totally midi mappable" with TraktorPro.....and then realize there is no usable documentation to support midi mapping within Traktor Pro.
Its really stubid and sad (in my case REAL tears) no matter how ya spin it....
BTW whambulance is pretty funny...
I love the buttons and they are really reactive, i love doing rapid mashup/juggle style stuff with them.
As for mapping, trakors "midi learn" feature does the hard work.
(1) create the mapping for the effect/whatever you want.
(2) add OUT and copy all the details from the above mapping
works everytime for me, and I never have to use the CC codes given in the manual.
I suggest buying the Traktor Bible and learning how to map correctly from there, it's a lot less frustrating and you won't feel the need to vent in a community
not connected with either NI or Denon ...
other than that, have a great time with the units, they are rock solid, feel great when used out "live" - and obvioulsy they are built to last like all Denon pro gear.
** Thorman give a free three year warentee ! ... reliable stuff from a market leader. |
Madlyn Trocino
22.12.2010 | yeah.....crier here.....
crying helps me deal with the fact that a company can release a product that they claim is "totally midi mappable" with TraktorPro.....and then realize there is no usable documentation to support midi mapping within Traktor Pro.
Its really stubid and sad (in my case REAL tears) no matter how ya spin it....
BTW whambulance is pretty funny... |
Cammy Clegg
22.12.2010 |
Originally Posted by thictool
the sc-2000 is really great for the money.....
Except for the "soft rubber buttons"
really denon?....soft rubber buttons????
And who the f++k over at denon was in charge of making the manual.
Absolutely no usable info regarding how to make leds light up. Theres some bullsh+t nonsence about midi mapping in the manual that make absolutely no sense what so ever.
Leave it to denon to feature "soft rubber buttons" in a time where we all know that "soft rubber buttons" suck.
And leave it to denon make a unit with all this programability...and then....have no sensible way of implementing it.....brilliant work denon..
Im not some knob here and i have a great understanding of midi mapping.....but the manual is completely useless.
Heres a thought denon....perhaps offer some clues as to how to map this thing.....ummmm maybe you'd sell more product.....and not piss people off in the prossess.....
oh god we got a crier get the whambulance and costco size box of kleenex |
Andreas Burchette
22.12.2010 | *they are NOT soft though... believe me |
Madlyn Trocino
22.12.2010 | The SC-2000 is really great for the money.....
Except for the "Soft Rubber Buttons"
REALLY Denon?....Soft Rubber Buttons????
And who the f++k over at Denon was in charge of making the manual.
Absolutely NO usable info regarding how to make LEDs light up. Theres some bullsh+t nonsence about midi mapping in the manual that make absolutely NO SENSE WHAT SO EVER.
Leave it to Denon to feature "Soft Rubber Buttons" in a time where we all know that "Soft Rubber Buttons" SUCK.
And leave it to Denon make a unit with all this programability...and then....have no sensible way of implementing it.....Brilliant work Denon..
Im not some knob here and I have a great understanding of midi mapping.....but the manual is completely useless.
Heres a thought Denon....perhaps offer some clues as to how to map this thing.....Ummmm maybe you'd sell more product.....and NOT piss people off in the prossess..... |
Andreas Burchette
22.12.2010 | i just got it from thomann.de.
I was pleasantly surprised by its build quality, to be honest, as it was a blind buy for me (had never seen it live).
it feels very sturdy as its surface plating is made of metal, while it is heavy enough so it wont move when messing around with it live. jog and pitch control: very nice feel, and very accurate.
all the other buttons feel as they should. i was a bit unsure before i got it, about their quality as they are made of rubber. however they are the standard buttons that denon uses on their cdjs, so no worries about that!
i'm only having some trouble getting used to the fx knobs as they feel quite stiff when pressed in, and the fact that they click when turned annoys me (as i used to have a xone 1D, with normal knobs). however i'll get used to it soon enough (i hope).
to sum up, it's definitely worth its money. i dont believe youll get anything better than that at that price. and the touch sensitive jog combined with the long pitch fader, makes it a great choice for a 1deck controller. meanwhile the different colors for the 2 decks make it very easy to use for 2 decks simultaneously.
*ive only found one minor bug: when using the shift button and the fx knobs to select different fx, there seems to be a crackling noise in the audio output. however, if done manually (using the mouse) that is not a problem. |
Erich Berker
21.12.2010 | eh.. not your fault, it just sucks. |
Terresa Ranganathan
21.12.2010 | Thats not cool. |
Erich Berker
21.12.2010 | blah... none of my local shops have the SC2000 or the MC6000 and I'd reeeeally like to be able to put my hands on them before making a purchase decision. The NI S4 might get my money simply because it's the only one I can touch.
*walks into Guitar Center and Sam Ash*
"Hey you got either of these in stock?"
*checks computer* "uh..nope sorry"
"When are you going to have any in?"
"uh..." *checks computer again* "around March."
O_o "seriously? wtf?"
*leaves store gearless and angry |
Terresa Ranganathan
21.12.2010 | Sorry, try this:
http://denondjcommunity
s.com/community
/
> DNSC2000
>>*** NEW DN-SC2000 OVERVIEW VIDEO & OTHERS*** |
Dorie Scelzo
22.12.2010 |
Originally Posted by DENON
thread does not exist.
Originally Posted by Dj Twitch
does the job(sic) wheel control loop size as well? like a cdj?
It does if you program it to. IHNFC if the default TSI does, but I'd bet it doesn't. |
Annalisa Shogren
22.12.2010 |
Originally Posted by DENON
Brilliant, haha. |
Terresa Ranganathan
21.12.2010 | Here's a bunch of user videos to check out:
http://denondjcommunity
s.com/community
/index...rb_v=viewtopic |
Irwin Ney
20.12.2010 | You can find more info if you search for it on the community
s, there was a lot of SC2000 threads going on these days...
Seems a really nice and flexible controller |
