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Reloop - Digital Jockey? Posted on: 08.10.2008 by Morgan Collens Anyone played with a reloop yet ? http://www.westenddj.co.uk/product.a...eed=GoogleBase http://www.reloopdj.com/product_info...al-Jockey.html Are they any good ? Thanks Stace
Pansy Shiveley 24.12.2010	Originally Posted by Durrwin thanks for the reply,i believe i may go for it anyway and mess about with some mappings No problems, it's a very nice controller, lots of knobs and buttons to customize! Only downside is that the play/pause/cue buttons are not very robust, chances are you're gonna have to replace them. I'm currently doing an arcade mod because of this, gonna be an even more awesome controller! My advice: do your own mapping, even if there are others you like. It's better to completely get to know both your controller and the possibilities of Traktor, for future enhancement of your setup. I've learned a fair bit doing this.
Josie Duquesnay 24.12.2010	Originally Posted by StephanV If it's just the crossfader you wan't to work between c and d, this basically works out of the box. If you want to use the entire controller for 4 decks (I believe not?) it's gonna take you some time to remap or find a custom mapping. thanks for the reply,i believe i may go for it anyway and mess about with some mappings
Pansy Shiveley 24.12.2010	Originally Posted by Durrwin Hey just wondered if you can switch from deck a and b on this to c and d as a four deck set up because i would want to connect a turntable with a timecode to control deck c but because i wanna scratch with it i would want to use the crossfader, i no i can choose scratch control on deck c and keep deck d on internal playback but i wanna use the xfader please reply i would be very grateful because i will buy this if the setup i want is possible. btw ean golden and everyone else at DJTechTools thanks for the tutorials and reviews as i have learned so much about digital deejaying in the 6 or so months i have known about you guys If it's just the crossfader you wan't to work between c and d, this basically works out of the box. If you want to use the entire controller for 4 decks (I believe not?) it's gonna take you some time to remap or find a custom mapping.
Irving Delgado 19.12.2008	Originally Posted by olafmol you mean that the endless encoders are stepped? Yes indeed. I don't know if this is also so on Xone devices for example? The steps do offer some advantages. For example moving loops by 1 bar at a time or changing the delay time etc. They don't lend very well for other stuff such as changing key or reverb size. The fact that they are endless on the other hand allows you to map as many functions as you want to a single knob without worrying about (soft)takeover etc. because they operate in a relative manner... which is what I like about the rotaries.
George Inji 19.12.2008	Originally Posted by Guust-Fi bad - Rotaries do not offer the delicate control of a regular analog knob. E.g. you cannot control the pitch in a continuous way. Only in increments (which can be made very small if you like). With small increments you have to turn the knob a lot though. You cannot turn it to 100% in one turn... you mean that the endless encoders are stepped?
Irving Delgado 19.12.2008	Originally Posted by BentoSan Ableton isnt going to "fix" the rotaries - that just how rotaries feel, pretty damn horrible. I wasn't talking about the feel (do agree though). The issue was something like traktor skipping or not detecting a single increment or something like that... Don't remember exactly.
Xavier Emanuels 18.12.2008	Originally Posted by Guust-Fi The rotaries are kind of what I thought, they don't always perform how I expected though. I'll have to play around with them a little more. Perhaps I should try out Ableton. Ableton isnt going to "fix" the rotaries - that just how rotaries feel, pretty damn horrible.
Santa Hendrick 18.12.2008	Originally Posted by Guust-Fi If you want I could post a decent comparison between the 2 with pictures. It would be perfect if you do this!!!
Soledad Kipke 27.12.2010	Controllers are like lightsabers. The tool must fit the wielder, and will naturally be different for everyone. Personally, I'm a fan of Bento's multiple controller idea. I've got a Hercules Steel and a Midi-Fighter, and I love 'em.
Pansy Shiveley 24.12.2010	Originally Posted by Durrwin thanks for the reply,i believe i may go for it anyway and mess about with some mappings No problems, it's a very nice controller, lots of knobs and buttons to customize! Only downside is that the play/pause/cue buttons are not very robust, chances are you're gonna have to replace them. I'm currently doing an arcade mod because of this, gonna be an even more awesome controller! My advice: do your own mapping, even if there are others you like. It's better to completely get to know both your controller and the possibilities of Traktor, for future enhancement of your setup. I've learned a fair bit doing this.
Josie Duquesnay 24.12.2010	Originally Posted by StephanV If it's just the crossfader you wan't to work between c and d, this basically works out of the box. If you want to use the entire controller for 4 decks (I believe not?) it's gonna take you some time to remap or find a custom mapping. thanks for the reply,i believe i may go for it anyway and mess about with some mappings
Pansy Shiveley 24.12.2010	Originally Posted by Durrwin Hey just wondered if you can switch from deck a and b on this to c and d as a four deck set up because i would want to connect a turntable with a timecode to control deck c but because i wanna scratch with it i would want to use the crossfader, i no i can choose scratch control on deck c and keep deck d on internal playback but i wanna use the xfader please reply i would be very grateful because i will buy this if the setup i want is possible. btw ean golden and everyone else at DJTechTools thanks for the tutorials and reviews as i have learned so much about digital deejaying in the 6 or so months i have known about you guys If it's just the crossfader you wan't to work between c and d, this basically works out of the box. If you want to use the entire controller for 4 decks (I believe not?) it's gonna take you some time to remap or find a custom mapping.
Josie Duquesnay 23.12.2010	Hey just wondered if you can switch from deck a and b on this to c and d as a four deck set up because i would want to connect a turntable with a timecode to control deck c but because i wanna scratch with it i would want to use the crossfader, i no i can choose scratch control on deck c and keep deck d on internal playback but i wanna use the xfader please reply i would be very grateful because i will buy this if the setup i want is possible. btw ean golden and everyone else at DJTechTools thanks for the tutorials and reviews as i have learned so much about digital deejaying in the 6 or so months i have known about you guys
Irving Delgado 10.03.2009	You don't have to worry about mapping the controller. There are several mappings available that work out of the box for Traktor Pro. I also have my own map but it really needs a lot of modifications. I did a quick search and found only 2 relevant video's myself: Review + little demonstration (turn subtitles on in youtube) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QG4yIdzHzM Tenminmix Electro House Mix January http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTpJl...eature=related
Porfirio Breter 09.03.2009	Hey there guust. i am new to DTT and first off i want to say thank you for your info on the Reloop DJ. i have been looking and comparing it to the VCi-100 and you have made my decision clearer on buying the Reloop IE. i am currently running traktor pro version 1.0.1 on windows Xp SP3, and before i order it, i'd like to know if the Reloop IE is already mapped for this version of traktor pro ?. if not, do you have the map and tks files for it.? and lastly do you have a video of it in action, i live in the US and have not been able to find any videos of this controller in action, or any other usefull information. if you like you can email me any info you don't want to post on here. [email protected] .. thanx again for your help..
Irving Delgado 19.12.2008	Originally Posted by olafmol you mean that the endless encoders are stepped? Yes indeed. I don't know if this is also so on Xone devices for example? The steps do offer some advantages. For example moving loops by 1 bar at a time or changing the delay time etc. They don't lend very well for other stuff such as changing key or reverb size. The fact that they are endless on the other hand allows you to map as many functions as you want to a single knob without worrying about (soft)takeover etc. because they operate in a relative manner... which is what I like about the rotaries.
George Inji 19.12.2008	Originally Posted by Guust-Fi bad - Rotaries do not offer the delicate control of a regular analog knob. E.g. you cannot control the pitch in a continuous way. Only in increments (which can be made very small if you like). With small increments you have to turn the knob a lot though. You cannot turn it to 100% in one turn... you mean that the endless encoders are stepped?
Irving Delgado 19.12.2008	Originally Posted by BentoSan Ableton isnt going to "fix" the rotaries - that just how rotaries feel, pretty damn horrible. I wasn't talking about the feel (do agree though). The issue was something like traktor skipping or not detecting a single increment or something like that... Don't remember exactly.
Irving Delgado 18.12.2008	I I'm kind of busy at the moment but I've been asked for a more in depth comparison against the vci-100. To satisfy your needs for a while: All imho... Reloop: good - Allows for very advanced control over the entire traktor software due to rotaries. - Full control over A and B effects - Big knobs for each "mini" knob on the vestax (headphone volume etc...) - More buttons and knobs - Only 2 different colors (orange and green - too much colors on vestax) - black controller + white text (looks best imo for this type of device + best visibility) - more pioneer like knobs - 14bit resolution -> more precision with tempo faders They are still to short though and with traktor you might end up using them for something else than the tempo. In that case the resistance of tempo faders could be a drawback. - German build quality? bad - Rotaries do not offer the delicate control of a regular analog knob. E.g. you cannot control the pitch in a continuous way. Only in increments (which can be made very small if you like). With small increments you have to turn the knob a lot though. You cannot turn it to 100% in one turn... - Would like to see feedback with leds on the controller like on the bcr2000 for example http://herr-z-berger.de/wp-content/u...cr2000_web.gif - Rotaries not arranged in a row of 4 - The knob that are pushable don't feel as sturdy as the non-pushable ones (which is kind of normal I guess). - Bigger an lighter than vestax - no touch sensitive jogs - as said above... rotaries don't feel very good. I believe I'd rather live with that and enjoy their advantages... haven't had the chance to play around with rotaries in higher price class... Vestax: good + weighs more + fits into regular backpack (can't fit reloop in mine) + best for more traditional mixing + touch sensitive jogs (important for releasing tracks vinyl style and scratching) bad - no rotaries - controlling effects awkward unless used like in ean's setup with 2 effect knobs/deck - to expensive for what it is imo. I stopped using the vestax, I am going to sell it. The only thing a would like is some "rotaries" that don't operate in steps but like a standard analog knob. Build quality shouldn't be a discussion point considering the price imo.
Xavier Emanuels 18.12.2008	Originally Posted by Guust-Fi The rotaries are kind of what I thought, they don't always perform how I expected though. I'll have to play around with them a little more. Perhaps I should try out Ableton. Ableton isnt going to "fix" the rotaries - that just how rotaries feel, pretty damn horrible.
Santa Hendrick 18.12.2008	Originally Posted by Guust-Fi If you want I could post a decent comparison between the 2 with pictures. It would be perfect if you do this!!!
Booker Dore 19.11.2008	Hi guys, newbie here. not sure if this is the right thread to post but I'll shoot anyways. Been wanting to get the Reloop Digital Jockey IE but I'm just not sure where to get one. I live here in Singapore and from the websites that I have gone to, there seems to be no distributors/retailers around. To Reloop owners out there, any suggestions?? Thanks!
Random X 06.11.2008	Adding to BentoSan: IDD, you might look into the possibility of adding other controllertypes instead of comparing one dual jog controller with the other. And comparison is always great, please post?
Irving Delgado 06.11.2008	The unit seems pretty solid. It doesn't seem like I'm losing a lot of the build quality vs. the vci-100 at all. I'm really liking the extra buttons and knobs. The rotaries are kind of what I thought, they don't always perform how I expected though. I'll have to play around with them a little more. Perhaps I should try out Ableton. At this moment I'd rather keep the Reloop. If you want I could post a decent comparison between the 2 with pictures.
Xavier Emanuels 06.11.2008	No device is perfect, its really a matter of what you are willing to live without. It is really best pairing these devices with another midi control to fill in the blanks that are missing.
Random X 06.11.2008	Guust any first thoughts on Vestax VCI vs Reloop Digital Jockey?
samir abu-sharar 06.11.2008	Very interesting thread... Will keep my posture for myself though...
Irving Delgado 05.11.2008	A little bit later than expected but my Reloop Digital Jockey has just been delivered. I'm pretty pleased with it actually. It's bigger than I thought. So now I have both the vci-100 and the digital jockey until I decide to sell one of them. If you have questions, shoot.
Eli Hergonz 29.10.2008	And I am just kidding
Irving Delgado 29.10.2008	Originally Posted by BentoSan Have you ever used rotaries ? they are extremely difficult to use in a "smart-knob" style fashion. Try putting a freeze on the 127 position and note how difficult it is to engage in perfect time with the music, as opposed to a knob which has a physical clunk as it hits the position. No, I haven't, I assumed that wouldn't be a major problem. EDIT: The effect rotaries on the Reloop are pushable. You could map that to the freeze function to simulate a "smart-knob". Originally Posted by BentoSan The jogs on the Reloop having 14-bits of midi doesnt ammount to anything- you wont be able to release a track on time with the music without touch sensitive jogs. Infact you cant even grab a track without touch sensitive wheels. Agreed, I rather meant that it matters with the tempo faders, which are too short on both controllers anyway. Originally Posted by BentoSan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbFz1GHZklc - i take it you havent seen this guy scratch on a VCI-100 Its not exactly the most ideal way to scratch yes, but its still very possible. That said i dont scratch on my VCI but the jogs are super helpful for cueing up audio that doesnt have a cue point and being able to let it go like a peice of vinyl or a cdj. I know scratching is very doable on the vci-100. The main tasks of the digital DJ can be fulfilled with lower quality jogs though. Those on the Reloop aren't touch sensitive ... which is kind of a major drawback in that area yes. Originally Posted by BentoSan Which ones are you refering too that dont light up ? Alots of the users who complain about LED control are complaining about buttons that do have LED control already. I believe there might be some buttons in the top left corner of the VCI that dont light, i need to test that. Those used to load tracks in deck A and B by default for example. EDIT: Those buttons actually do light up. The Preview button in between doesn't apparently. Originally Posted by BentoSan I leave it in master mode then the middle buttons are sending out midi messages that arnt shared by other knobs on the device. Is that true? Should have found that out earlier... Thanks BentoSan for hitting me in the face with some nice facts, those where the things I wanted to hear. Wish me luck with the rotaries I ordered the Reloop already and I'm expecting it soon so it's too late to cancel that. To make things clear. I don't hate the vci-100. I'm just trying to understand why everybody loves it so much while I'm not entirely thrilled. I am also nowhere near a professional DJ, I just like doing it and felt like trying something new. Well see how things go...
Eli Hergonz 29.10.2008	This sounds like there is anti-vci party with Guust-Fi as a leader. Just to say there isn`t any vci-party. You can freely explore others midi controllers. It`s not forbidden. Don`t kill as for loving vci.
Random X 29.10.2008	Ghehehe, LoLz... Dude... that was just there for a comical relieve.
Xavier Emanuels 29.10.2008	Originally Posted by Guust-Fi Don't you people wish for rotaries? How can you properly control the effects (on 2 decks) when the knobs never match the position in the software? With rotaries al these problems would be gone? I believe the effect section is a major upgrade in comparison to the vci-100. Have you ever used rotaries ? they are extermely difficult to use in a "smart-knob" style fashion. Try putting a freeze on the 127 position and note how difficult it is to engage in perfect time with the music, as opposed to a knob which has a physical clunk as it hits the position. Roraties are better suited for fine tuning like say doing fine adjustments of the key in traktor. Or doing stuff where the timing isnt mission critical like adjusting and moving around a loop. Originally Posted by Guust-Fi Also yes the Vestax probably offers better build quality. This is most important with the faders and jogs but what use does it have when Vestax doesn't offer 14bit resolution? The jogs on the reloop having 14-bits of midi doesnt ammount to anything- you wont be able to release a track on time with the music without touch sensitive jogs. Infact you cant even grab a track without touch sensitive wheels. Originally Posted by Guust-Fi I don't believe you should be scratching on a vci-100 as well, so why would you want such high quality jogs? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbFz1GHZklc - i take it you havent seen this guy scratch on a VCI-100 Its not exactly the most ideal way to scratch yes, but its still very possible. That said i dont scratch on my VCI but the jogs are super helpful for cueing up audio that doesnt have a cue point and being able to let it go like a peice of vinyl or a cdj. Originally Posted by Guust-Fi In my work flow I regularly use the Mixer Master Controls and the buttons on the vci-100 are just to small. Even if you mapped them to other functions wouldn't you want full sized knobs? Of course, no one said the VCI was perfect Originally Posted by Guust-Fi I personally prefer a black controller with white labels and a limited amount of different colours. On the vci-100 the leds almost cover all the colours of the rainbow. Furthermore, not all of the buttons light up. Which ones are you refering too that dont light up ? Alots of the users who complain about LED control are complaining about buttons that do have LED control already. I believe there might be some buttons in the top left corner of the VCI that dont light, i need to test that. Originally Posted by Guust-Fi The effect buttons in between the EQ section seem to send out the same midi value as effect button 4? I leave it in master mode then the middle buttons are sending out midi messages that arnt shared by other knobs on the device. Originally Posted by Tekki They also tell me I'm stupid when I tell 'em I use a simple BCR. No ones ever said that, we just point out that you cant control everything to do with mixing with bunch of rotaries.
Random X 29.10.2008	Hear hear!
Della Octania 29.10.2008	Originally Posted by tekki They also tell me I'm stupid when I tell 'em I use a simple BCR. (Rotaries only. ) hey daft punk used bcr2000's in their pyramid when i'm sure they have enough money for any controller out there
SHENG FU 30.10.2008	Happy Reloop Digital Jockey user: http://www.native-instruments.com/fo...ad.php?t=72551
Random X 29.10.2008	Originally Posted by Guust-Fi Don't you people wish for rotaries? How can you properly control the effects (on 2 decks) when the knobs never match the position in the software? With rotaries al these problems would be gone? I believe the effect section is a major upgrade in comparison to the vci-100. They also tell me I'm stupid when I tell 'em I use a simple BCR. (Rotaries only. )
Irving Delgado 29.10.2008	Ok, here we go, I am in the process of ordering a Reloop Digital Jockey right now. I'm going to compare them both before selling either one again.
SHENG FU 29.10.2008	What are the facts that makes VCI-100 quality so much better other than it is labelled as Vestax? What I mean is many manufactures might share same components and product lines for similar products. Or is the VCI-100 made in Japan? Japan vs. China is sure one thing but is there any other? What we need is Reloop Digital Jockey and VCI-100 real life comparison. Opinions are different than the facts.
Irving Delgado 28.10.2008	Don't you people wish for rotaries? How can you properly control the effects (on 2 decks) when the knobs never match the position in the software? With rotaries al these problems would be gone? I believe the effect section is a major upgrade in comparison to the vci-100. Also yes the Vestax probably offers better build quality. This is most important with the faders and jogs but what use does it have when Vestax doesn't offer 14bit resolution? I don't believe you should be scratching on a vci-100 as well, so why would you want such high quality jogs? Overall the build may be better but compared to professional gear it still doesn't cut it imo. In my work flow I regularly use the Mixer Master Controls and the buttons on the vci-100 are just to small. Even if you mapped them to other functions wouldn't you want full sized knobs? I personally prefer a black controller with white labels and a limited amount of different colours. On the vci-100 the leds almost cover all the colours of the rainbow. Furthermore, not all of the buttons light up. There are some other problems with the vci-100 too: The effect buttons in between the EQ section seem to send out the same midi value as effect button 4? This cannot be changed as far as I figured out without changing firmware? That renders that button quite useless imo unless you mapped effect button 4 on the controller to effect button 1 in Traktor, which doesn't make a lot of sense. No offense, I'm trying to understand your point of view here. I definitely like what Ean did to the vci-100 as well but I can't see why one would not consider the reloop digital jockey unless the build is really much worse than most people said so far. (In this price range it's supposed to be in second place behind the vci-100).

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