Why Pioneer before Allen & Heath?

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Why Pioneer before Allen & Heath?
Posted on: 09.11.2013 by Anja Ursprung
Hi,

Does anyone here prefer Pioneer before Allen & Heath mixers (you have to tried booth to have a valid opinion) effects aside?

I have big problems to understand why, as I believe Allen & Heath is superior the pioneer.
Sherrell Dargenio
11.11.2013
Originally Posted by synthet1c
the jogs are crap so you really need to set your beatgrids properly and use sync... The twelve buttons on the controllers are a little awkward as they are very small circles and you have to push them about 4mm to make contact, they feel like a heavy spring mechanical keyboard to the touch. Every thing else is great and really high quality. The only difference between a 92 and the 4D is that the eq has 3 bands instead of 4. I believe you would be better off with a 92 and two K2's but the 4D is still a great option especially for the price they often go for on the second hand market. But the best thing about having 2 K2's is you can use them with any other mixer that a club has, with the 4D you would have to take the entire unit.
Thanks, luckily the K2 isn't too expensive I was considering eventually grabbing one of those as well for small booths. I've seen the 4D used online and the low price actually scared me right out of purchasing it. I'll see what's out there, thanks again!
Jonathan Chiuchiolo
11.11.2013
the jogs are crap so you really need to set your beatgrids properly and use sync... The twelve buttons on the controllers are a little awkward as they are very small circles and you have to push them about 4mm to make contact, they feel like a heavy spring mechanical keyboard to the touch. Every thing else is great and really high quality. The only difference between a 92 and the 4D is that the eq has 3 bands instead of 4. I believe you would be better off with a 92 and two K2's but the 4D is still a great option especially for the price they often go for on the second hand market. But the best thing about having 2 K2's is you can use them with any other mixer that a club has, with the 4D you would have to take the entire unit.
Sherrell Dargenio
11.11.2013
Seems like the best topic to ask this in:
I'm considering upgrading from a Kontrol S4 to a Xone 4d, of the 'all in one' controllers it really seems like it has it all. It's expensive as all hell but I really can't see myself needing anything else after. Opinions?
Latoria Kavulich
11.11.2013
i've used a lot of Pioneers and they make great mixers, the only A&H mixer i've tried is the 92 and loved it. as mentioned above, once you hit the higher price brackets its personal preference.
no excuses for a mixer not to have adjustable infinite kills these days though
Ervin Calvery
11.11.2013
Originally Posted by safefire
Isn't "Industry Standard" something you become by paying for a lot of endorsements?
No - I believe that only very special brands are actively evangelized like these two.
Ming Devis
10.11.2013
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
booth companies have their pros and cons. it is all about preference.
cue function on the a&h sucks.
the pioneer sound < a&h sound
4eqs? i don
Antonetta Wikel
10.11.2013
FWIW, I went with Denon over both Allen & Heath and Pioneer and I'm very happy with my decision.
Petra Arra
10.11.2013
Im leaning towards the pioneer on my next mixer purchase because most of the people i know use them. its not that I want to conform to "industry standard," it's because pioneer is always available for purchase here in my area as oppose to A&H.
Augustine Mitzen
10.11.2013
workflow/pio being more user friendly?
never used a xone, so i can't tell from experience
Lewis Stumpf
10.11.2013
Isn't "Industry Standard" something you become by paying for a lot of endorsements?
Matt Kane
10.11.2013
booth companies have their pros and cons. it is all about preference.
cue function on the a&h sucks.
the pioneer sound < a&h sound
4eqs? i don
Edwardo Rothenberger
10.11.2013
I'm an ex-sarnd engineer. I got an Allen 'n' 'Eath Xone92, and fink it sarnds fuckin' wicked!

I"M BRITISH!!
Kenda Raedel
10.11.2013
Originally Posted by smiTTTen
Yes, but I live in crazy town now.
Is that near funky town?
Hellen Mindrup
10.11.2013
Gemini mixers are superior, get the facts straight.
Len Lukawski
10.11.2013
Calm down, Freud.
Brunilda Kora
10.11.2013
Originally Posted by djgstefan
I have big problems to understand why, as I believe Allen & Heath is superior the pioneer.
Maybe if you didn't doubt yourself you wouldn't be concerned with such trivial things...
Len Lukawski
10.11.2013
Originally Posted by keithace
you're just british...
Yes, but I live in crazy town now.
Kenda Raedel
10.11.2013
I always felt pioneer has a colder sound which isn't bad but my preference is toward older a&h models like the 464...*drool.
Margie Pavell
10.11.2013
Originally Posted by smiTTTen
I, for one, prefer brands that sound Iike legal firms.
you're just british...
Antonetta Wikel
10.11.2013
The UK made Allen & Heath mixers of "yesteryear" were superior, IMO, to anything that Pioneer was putting out but that was "then". Pioneer mixers tend to be more "Industry Standard" and their newest models are quite good. It kinda comes down to personal preference when you're comparing higher $$$$ models of each.
Nancey Inderlied
09.11.2013
Both of them are pretty great as mixers, but the "preference" for either kinda depends on what a given workflow/install really needs, and what model of mixer you're looking at. No professional brand or model is necessarily better than another, its all about the context.
Margie Pavell
09.11.2013
I believe after you spend more than 500 bucks on a mixer it all becomes personal preference...

I had a Xone 22. Loved it. Sold it. I now have a DJM 250. Loving it.
Kenda Raedel
09.11.2013
If only Wolfram and hart made mixers.
Len Lukawski
09.11.2013
I, for one, prefer brands that sound Iike legal firms.
Alphonso Deitchman
09.11.2013
You could start by saying why you believe Allen and Heath is superior.

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