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If you were to buy a DVS system, would you get Traktor A10 or Serato SL4?

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If you were to buy a DVS system, would you get Traktor A10 or Serato SL4? Posted on: 05.03.2013 by Adrienne Wilcoxen Just remember, they both control four decks but Traktor is 2/3 the price of Serato. (Approx $800 for SL4 and $470 for the A10). I've heard that Serato's customer service is awesome and they also have free software updates, whereas Traktor and NI make you pay to upgrade and their customer service is sometime dubious to say the least. What would you do? (Help me! )
Nancey Inderlied 06.03.2013	IMHO, you already kind of know which system you want, both of them play music, both of them have effects you're not really going to use, and both of them have intuitive UIs in use. In order to really make a decision, you need to ask yourself what you really NEED in a system, and compare the really nitty-gritty crucial differences between the two systems. SL4 grit +/-Dual USB. This is a thing that you either absolutely essentially need and can't live without, or it's completely useless to you. You already know the answer to this. +Browser. Traktor's browser is certified awful. This isnt really a matter of opinion as much as it is an uncomfortable fact. Serato's method of Collection -> Crates with a narrow/universal filtering and search system is just infinitely more usable than Traktor's "Islands in a sea of every single audio file you've ever run by the software" system. +/- The Bridge. The Bridge... well... Kinda works. If you have Ableton and a beefy computer, it's great. If you can't get it to run smoothly, or don't need it, well, it's completely useless. -Not much I/O flexibility beyond what it wants you to use, and NEEDS DVS inputs to really function. A10 +Flexibility. You can run this thing with pretty much anything, DVS to controllers to supplemental outputs and recording. It's there. +I/O. A MIDI loop and headphone monitoring really round out the card, it's got a lot of options for a lot of different situations and setups. +Price. A truly affordable system next to the SL4. -Literally impossible to change over, the antithesis to the dual USB. Seriously, in any kind of club environment, all of that awesome super great "fill the I/O up" flexibility gets cut down to nothing in the face of getting an engineer to deal with the kafikaesque cable-Hell you create fully patching that thing in. Luckily, it can be run quite minimalist with controllers and internal mixing. ----Requires a power supply. I'm not even gonna go into how much this irritates me. It alone kills the entire card for me, but you might not find it that annoying. You can see what I meant by "you already kind of know," a lot of the core differences are things you either find invaluable, or don't care about at all.
Jeffrey Akinsanya 06.03.2013	Originally Posted by Skullduggery Serato's a joke? Any reasons behind that view or is it just fanboy loyalty? i love DJTechs tools but the traktor fanboys do my head in lol, on par with apple fan boys. i prefer to be impartial and look at each system as a different solution! answers OP's questions to be honest if your asking this question then you should probally not buy any at the moment.. Traktor A10 or Serato SL4 - depends on what camp you want to join.. there are pro's and cons on both! my advice is believe of the future.. do you want to use controllers? does midi mapping interest you? do you want sync? what do your friends use? have a play on each interface and find out which one your prefer... serato has a simple design i prefer the way your organise your music in it (using creates ) - it isnt as good with effects. but fully integrates with ableton using the bridge! traktor has multiple way you can use it and is a power house for customization - great for controllerism (and is cheaper too!) - DVS is reported to be on par with serato. though i have read traktor being more cpu dependent which is to be expected considering the effects processing ...G Out!
Doreen Schurle 07.03.2013	Originally Posted by Cook are you older than 12? seriously every post you make makes you look like a child, serato had the tightest DVS for years up until traktor released their 2.0 timecode, now its level peggings (traktor with .01 advantage source: Qbert) the FX are run by izotope, theyre just not as faggoty and OTT as traktor FX. Considerably older than 12; more than double that, in fact. Cheers for your highly mature opinion though.
Dione Haimes 07.03.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign Well I got a free copy of Serato DJ (full, not Intro) with my Terminal Mix 4, and it's just... wank. Utterly, utterly wank in comparison to Traktor. The FX are a joke, the EQing sounds shite, etc etc. The ONLY good thing about it is that it has parallel waveforms; if NI add that in TP3, then I highly doubt anyone will use Serato after that. are you older than 12? seriously every post you make makes you look like a child, serato had the tightest DVS for years up until traktor released their 2.0 timecode, now its level peggings (traktor with .01 advantage source: Qbert) the FX are run by izotope, theyre just not as faggoty and OTT as traktor FX.
Doreen Schurle 06.03.2013	Originally Posted by rdej47 I'm always surprised at how vertical waveforms is such a deal breaker for people. I get it but the reality of it is vertical waveforms have 0 impact on performance. Your set will not be any different with horizontal waveforms. If we start talking about things like video sl, or remix decks, or very custom midi mappings then yes these things will have an impact on performance and should be taken into consideration. It's not the vertical waveforms, it's the PARALLEL waveforms (ie, having one above the other, full-width). I couldn't give two shits about vertical waveforms. Originally Posted by Janky aaaaaand thats the real reason. I have a feeling that since the UI isnt pretty thats why youre bashing it. Remember, youre not wearing this software when you play, shouldnt matter how it looks. I realize that there are different play styles, but if your justification of hating serato is based on looks, then your argument is invalid. And it's not about the looks of the UI, it's about the functionality of the software. The main example of this is that the FX on Serato are shite.
Emerson Crist 06.03.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign Minimal, but the software differences are minimal also... only difference is the control method; the rest of the software is just as nasty lol. aaaaaand thats the real reason. I have a feeling that since the UI isnt pretty thats why youre bashing it. Remember, youre not wearing this software when you play, shouldnt matter how it looks. I realize that there are different play styles, but if your justification of hating serato is based on looks, then your argument is invalid.
Julissa Serrone 06.03.2013	Originally Posted by rdej47 I'm always surprised at how vertical waveforms is such a deal breaker for people. I get it but the reality of it is vertical waveforms have 0 impact on performance. Your set will not be any different with horizontal waveforms. If we start talking about things like video sl, or remix decks, or very custom midi mappings then yes these things will have an impact on performance and should be taken into consideration. I agree to an extent ---- it's not strictly the waveforms, aside from actual "features" for me the biggest difference is the workflow of each program (and for SSL the waves are part of that workflow) that makes playing on SSL so much more enjoyable than any other platform. When discussing features, then yes I agree the discussion should shift to video-sl, remix decks, bridge, fx, library managemetn, etc. and decide what is more has more value for each individual user. I REALLY dislike Traktor's "collection" library managment function for example.
Johnsie Kingrea 06.03.2013	I'm always surprised at how vertical waveforms is such a deal breaker for people. I get it but the reality of it is vertical waveforms have 0 impact on performance. Your set will not be any different with horizontal waveforms. If we start talking about things like video sl, or remix decks, or very custom midi mappings then yes these things will have an impact on performance and should be taken into consideration.
Doreen Schurle 05.03.2013	Originally Posted by haze324 What's your experience with SSL (Scratch Live), since this conversation is discussing soundcards and the SL4 uses SSL. Minimal, but the software differences are minimal also... only difference is the control method; the rest of the software is just as nasty lol.
Julissa Serrone 05.03.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign Well I got a free copy of Serato DJ (full, not Intro) with my Terminal Mix 4, and it's just... wank. Utterly, utterly wank in comparison to Traktor. The FX are a joke, the EQing sounds shite, etc etc. The ONLY good thing about it is that it has parallel waveforms; if NI add that in TP3, then I highly doubt anyone will use Serato after that. What's your experience with SSL (Scratch Live), since this conversation is discussing soundcards and the SL4 uses SSL.
Doreen Schurle 05.03.2013	Originally Posted by Skullduggery Serato's a joke? Any reasons behind that view or is it just fanboy loyalty? Well I got a free copy of Serato DJ (full, not Intro) with my Terminal Mix 4, and it's just... wank. Utterly, utterly wank in comparison to Traktor. The FX are a joke, the EQing sounds shite, etc etc. The ONLY good thing about it is that it has parallel waveforms; if NI add that in TP3, then I highly doubt anyone will use Serato after that.
Adrienne Wilcoxen 05.03.2013	Originally Posted by mdcdesign Traktor obviously, Serato is a joke lol. Serato's a joke? Any reasons behind that view or is it just fanboy loyalty?
Adrienne Wilcoxen 05.03.2013	Originally Posted by human I mean, the point that NI charges for upgrades is often overstated. The last non-free upgrade was for TSP 2, which came out in April '11. The cost of upgrading from a previous scratch version (at the time, there existed a number of different flavors of Scratch such as Scratch Duo and Scratch Pro) to TSP2 was $79/EUR 69. The non-free upgrade before that, from Traktor 3 to TSP/TSD, was back in '08. And today, both Serato and NI give you their software for free with any interface/certified hardware purchase. Now here comes the punchline. Considering that nobody really uses an interface for longer than 4-5 years, you will have no more than one or - at most - two paid upgrades over the interface lifetime. Say, the cost of paid upgrades is like $100 on average. Factoring that in, Traktor is still a lot cheaper than SSL. As for NI's customer support-I never had any problems personally. However, I've read the stories of people with bad customer service experiences, too. YMMV. Great input, mate! I'm looking for an SL4 or A10 as I want 4 deck control and I have a DB4, so I love the idea of having one set of RCAs for each channel to control MP3 or Vinyl (no need to switch). I'm running an SL1 at the moment and have had 0 issues with Serato software. It is bare bones, but does everything I want it to do. The dual USB is awesome for gigs, too. The price difference is the only thing making believe of going for the A10 instead. Do you believe Traktor will ever let you change the wav forms from horizontal to vertical? Serato lets you have it anyway you like.
Doreen Schurle 05.03.2013	Traktor obviously, Serato is a joke lol.
Audrey Pinda 05.03.2013	I don't ever want to be bothered with gridding tracks. That being said, I really enjoy SSL's interface. I've actually been debating selling my SL1 for an SL4 box for awhile now, because it would just make life so much easier for transitioning between DJ's using SSL. That dual USB feature is something amazing if you're working with others using SSL often.
Fannie Ohayre 05.03.2013	I've given this question much though as I may switch back to turntables in the next couple of years. I like SSL's simplicity, but since It took almost two weeks to initially grid, cue and set loops when I first switch to TP, I can't see myself switching again. So A10 for me.
Wallace Lawmaster 05.03.2013	Really just depends on what software you like and how much you want to spend. I personally use an Audio 8 with latest TSP2 and does great for me. I like Traktor's layout better and personally believe Traktor is more flexible than Serato is. Plus not all updates are paid for, lot are free. When I first bought Traktor, I got it cheaper than I could ever get Serato as well.
Alphonso Deitchman 05.03.2013	A used Audio4/6 along with a new Scratch software kit won't run you much more than that.
Hanna Ridenbaugh 05.03.2013	just saying, but if I wanted DVS and just mixed 2 decks I would go with Mixvibes.
Sally Walkowiak 05.03.2013	I'm so used to Traktor I'd probably just stay with NI.
Julissa Serrone 05.03.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 Depends almost entirely on which software you prefer as the interfaces are essentially the same. MIDI and headphone socket are nice features of the A10, and the dual USBs are a nice feature of the SL4 This. I had an Audio 8, now I have an SL3 and never looked back. I prefer SSL over Traktor software.... ....speaking strickly soundcards, the SL4's biggest advantage is the dual USB's.
Alphonso Deitchman 05.03.2013	Depends almost entirely on which software you prefer as the interfaces are essentially the same. MIDI and headphone socket are nice features of the A10, and the dual USBs are a nice feature of the SL4
Emelina Chillson 06.03.2013	I made the switch from SL3 to Audio 8 and now have an Audio 10. I love the sound, feel, using midi out to match with my LIVE PA hardware, and easy expandability of traktor over SSL.
Shawn Vanhaitsma 05.03.2013	Originally Posted by DJZILCH dont forget traktor's free key detection - worth $58 USD! and it comes for.... FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE heh Im confused... was that suppose to be a joke? Because Traktors new Key Detection system is.. just that.. a Joke heh Ive never used Serato, and dont use these systems as DVS systems so I wont be of much help. I do know my buddies out here who spin and use CDJs often prefer to the control of Serato for those types of activities (scratching etc)
Kandra Fagler 05.03.2013	Originally Posted by human I mean, the point that NI charges for upgrades is often overstated. The last non-free upgrade was for TSP 2, which came out in April '11. The cost of upgrading from a previous scratch version (at the time, there existed a number of different flavors of Scratch such as Scratch Duo and Scratch Pro) to TSP2 was $79/EUR 69. The non-free upgrade before that, from Traktor 3 to TSP/TSD, was back in '08. And today, both Serato and NI give you their software for free with any interface/certified hardware purchase. Now here comes the punchline. Considering that nobody really uses an interface for longer than 4-5 years, you will have no more than one or - at most - two paid upgrades over the interface lifetime. Say, the cost of paid upgrades is like $100 on average. Factoring that in, Traktor is still a lot cheaper than SSL. As for NI's customer support-I never had any problems personally. However, I've read the stories of people with bad customer service experiences, too. YMMV. dont forget traktor's free key detection - worth $58 USD! and it comes for.... FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Kendall Punch 05.03.2013	Originally Posted by Skullduggery Just remember, they both control four decks but Traktor is 2/3 the price of Serato. (Approx $800 for SL4 and $470 for the A10). I've heard that Serato's customer service is awesome and they also have free software updates, whereas Traktor and NI make you pay to upgrade I mean, the point that NI charges for upgrades is often overstated. The last non-free upgrade was for TSP 2, which came out in April '11. The cost of upgrading from a previous scratch version (at the time, there existed a number of different flavors of Scratch such as Scratch Duo and Scratch Pro) to TSP2 was $79/EUR 69. The non-free upgrade before that, from Traktor 3 to TSP/TSD, was back in '08. And today, both Serato and NI give you their software for free with any interface/certified hardware purchase. Now here comes the punchline. Considering that nobody really uses an interface for longer than 4-5 years, you will have no more than one or - at most - two paid upgrades over the interface lifetime. Say, the cost of paid upgrades is like $100 on average. Factoring that in, Traktor is still a lot cheaper than SSL. As for NI's customer support-I never had any problems personally. However, I've read the stories of people with bad customer service experiences, too. YMMV.
Adrienne Wilcoxen 05.03.2013	Originally Posted by lethal_pizzle Traktor v Serato you say? Not really 'vs' but what would you choose and why. There are enough Youtube videos comparing them
Marshall Aby 05.03.2013	Traktor v Serato you say?

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