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If you were to buy a DVS system, would you get Traktor A10 or Serato SL4?

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If you were to buy a DVS system, would you get Traktor A10 or Serato SL4? Posted on: 05.03.2013 by Adrienne Wilcoxen Just remember, they both control four decks but Traktor is 2/3 the price of Serato. (Approx $800 for SL4 and $470 for the A10). I've heard that Serato's customer service is awesome and they also have free software updates, whereas Traktor and NI make you pay to upgrade and their customer service is sometime dubious to say the least. What would you do? (Help me! )
Lina Rawie 09.03.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 Never had a single problem with Traktor's BPMs, as long as the range is set right. What kind of music does Traktor get wrong 9 times out of 10? The music I mix is soul, funk, R&B and hip-hop. It seems to be awesome with EDM where there's a clear beat that pounds away like a heartbeat, but with anything else it kinda chokes in my experience.
Alphonso Deitchman 09.03.2013	Originally Posted by DJSigma Traktor is correct with the grid/BPM about 10% of the time, if that. Never had a single problem with Traktor's BPMs, as long as the range is set right. What kind of music does Traktor get wrong 9 times out of 10?
Lina Rawie 09.03.2013	Originally Posted by loverocket I've been using Traktor for 5 years and I've only had to beat grid about 5 tracks. It must depend on the type of music you use with it, cos I've found that Traktor is correct with the grid/BPM about 10% of the time, if that. Serato would usually be spot on with the BPM and the only issue I had was having to halve/double the BPM sometimes.
Danae Dumler 09.03.2013	Originally Posted by Skullduggery Human, I really agree with your view. I didn't see the other user's username and was cracking up believeing this is just how you address people
Fannie Ohayre 09.03.2013	Originally Posted by Skullduggery Human, I really agree with your view. I started on Traktor and loved it, then moved to Serato after buying turntables and getting an SL1 off a mate for a steal. It has never crashed on me, ever. That's why I believe I'll buckle down, save the yen and run with an SL4 and sky blue timecode vinyl. Sky blue on silver Technics is almost sexual. 253823.jpg When you switched to Serato, did you have to drastically change your workflow?
Adrienne Wilcoxen 09.03.2013	Originally Posted by human I agree with what someone wrote a page or two back. The software is more important than the gear. In my mind it comes down to the following. Do you want Traktor's features and customisability or Serato's uncluttered look and its tight hardware integration? That matters more than the devices. Clearly not everyone agrees with my view. DJ TT itselfs stresses the technological differences: http://www.djranking s.com/2011/09/0...e-2011-update/ Human, I really agree with your view. I started on Traktor and loved it, then moved to Serato after buying turntables and getting an SL1 off a mate for a steal. It has never crashed on me, ever. That's why I believe I'll buckle down, save the yen and run with an SL4 and sky blue timecode vinyl. Sky blue on silver Technics is almost sexual. 253823.jpg
Kendall Punch 09.03.2013	Originally Posted by Skullduggery I guess at the end of all this, is a Dual USB SL4 worth $300 more than a Traktor A10? I agree with what someone wrote a page or two back. The software is more important than the gear. In my mind it comes down to the following. Do you want Traktor's features and customisability or Serato's uncluttered look and its tight hardware integration? That matters more than the devices. Clearly not everyone agrees with my view. DJ TT itselfs stresses the technological differences: http://www.djranking s.com/2011/09/0...e-2011-update/
Ervin Calvery 08.03.2013	Originally Posted by haze324 [I] believe this has more to do with Ableton folks that the Serato team. Why?
Julissa Serrone 07.03.2013	Originally Posted by rjfermin I like pretty much the bridge... I am a ableton user and TSP...but I am between buying 2 F1 for traktor (550$) to use remix decks or buy a SL3 (600$) and use the bridge...I prefer the Serato-Bridge from what i have seen...but, I am not sure, i have never use Serato... I have the APC40..to control Ableton...x2 kontrol X1, Denon Dns 3700, Denon DNX 1600 , 2 1200 mk2 and maschine.... what do you believe?...any ideas?...1.- Wait for NI to open Remix Decks, so i can use the midi controller I have....2.-get Serato-Bridge 3.- or get the Kontrol F1....any experience with this .....thanks in advance. If the Moderators consider I should open another thread, let me know..thanks I would wait. Serato has not made much advancement on the Bridge since it first came out (believe this has more to do with Ableton folks that the Serato team); so I'm curious to see what developments are coming ahead. Same with Traktor --- the remix decks are fairly new, but NI always has a well thought out roadmap.
Danae Dumler 07.03.2013	Originally Posted by jprime Yes this can be done. http://serato.com/latest/blog/7553/b...for-the-bridge Nice! I didn't know it was possible. It should be a known feature rather than a workaround, but still very cool.
Julissa Serrone 08.03.2013	Originally Posted by jprime Yes this can be done. http://serato.com/latest/blog/7553/b...for-the-bridge You da man. I've never seen this..... ...also side note, Serato Itch and Serato DJ have "warpable" or "flexible" beatgrids....and they work awesome are much easier to set than Traktors. I would assume that when the day comes for SSL to have a sync button it would also have that feature.
Jerica Salava 08.03.2013	Originally Posted by Bassline Brine I don't ever want to be bothered with gridding tracks. That being said, I really enjoy SSL's interface. I've actually been debating selling my SL1 for an SL4 box for awhile now, because it would just make life so much easier for transitioning between DJ's using SSL. That dual USB feature is something amazing if you're working with others using SSL often. I've been using Traktor for 5 years and I've only had to beat grid about 5 tracks. The same tracks that will drift in Traktor will drift in Serato. You will have to ride the pitch bend. The only permanent cure is to warp them and re-save them with Ableton. >
Lina Rawie 09.03.2013	Originally Posted by makar1 Never had a single problem with Traktor's BPMs, as long as the range is set right. What kind of music does Traktor get wrong 9 times out of 10? The music I mix is soul, funk, R&B and hip-hop. It seems to be awesome with EDM where there's a clear beat that pounds away like a heartbeat, but with anything else it kinda chokes in my experience.
Audrey Pinda 09.03.2013	It really comes down to what you are used to, what you want out of the software, and what you plan on doing with it. Each of those facets is completely user specific. It's pretty much beating a dead horse at this point. For me, if I'm going to use a DVS... I want it to be rock solid, simple, and I don't want to bother with gridding anything. Basically using it as a medium to carry a lot of songs with me at any given point, without lugging records around, or paying for vinyl prices. For me? That's Serato. Others? They want to be pulling crazy FX combinations, looping with absolute precision without believeing twice about it, and beat juggling with cue points. That's where Traktor shines. For me, I emulate a traditional setup in the most fiscally responsible way I can. Track selection is my forte, and beatmatching I feel is still important. What you want to do? It's up to you.
Alphonso Deitchman 09.03.2013	Originally Posted by DJSigma Traktor is correct with the grid/BPM about 10% of the time, if that. Never had a single problem with Traktor's BPMs, as long as the range is set right. What kind of music does Traktor get wrong 9 times out of 10?
Lina Rawie 09.03.2013	Originally Posted by loverocket I've been using Traktor for 5 years and I've only had to beat grid about 5 tracks. It must depend on the type of music you use with it, cos I've found that Traktor is correct with the grid/BPM about 10% of the time, if that. Serato would usually be spot on with the BPM and the only issue I had was having to halve/double the BPM sometimes.
Danae Dumler 09.03.2013	Originally Posted by Skullduggery Human, I really agree with your view. I didn't see the other user's username and was cracking up believeing this is just how you address people
Fannie Ohayre 09.03.2013	Originally Posted by Skullduggery Human, I really agree with your view. I started on Traktor and loved it, then moved to Serato after buying turntables and getting an SL1 off a mate for a steal. It has never crashed on me, ever. That's why I believe I'll buckle down, save the yen and run with an SL4 and sky blue timecode vinyl. Sky blue on silver Technics is almost sexual. 253823.jpg When you switched to Serato, did you have to drastically change your workflow?
Adrienne Wilcoxen 09.03.2013	Originally Posted by human I agree with what someone wrote a page or two back. The software is more important than the gear. In my mind it comes down to the following. Do you want Traktor's features and customisability or Serato's uncluttered look and its tight hardware integration? That matters more than the devices. Clearly not everyone agrees with my view. DJ TT itselfs stresses the technological differences: http://www.djranking s.com/2011/09/0...e-2011-update/ Human, I really agree with your view. I started on Traktor and loved it, then moved to Serato after buying turntables and getting an SL1 off a mate for a steal. It has never crashed on me, ever. That's why I believe I'll buckle down, save the yen and run with an SL4 and sky blue timecode vinyl. Sky blue on silver Technics is almost sexual. 253823.jpg
Kendall Punch 09.03.2013	Originally Posted by Skullduggery I guess at the end of all this, is a Dual USB SL4 worth $300 more than a Traktor A10? I agree with what someone wrote a page or two back. The software is more important than the gear. In my mind it comes down to the following. Do you want Traktor's features and customisability or Serato's uncluttered look and its tight hardware integration? That matters more than the devices. Clearly not everyone agrees with my view. DJ TT itselfs stresses the technological differences: http://www.djranking s.com/2011/09/0...e-2011-update/
Ervin Calvery 08.03.2013	Originally Posted by haze324 [I] believe this has more to do with Ableton folks that the Serato team. Why?
Adrienne Wilcoxen 08.03.2013	I guess at the end of all this, is a Dual USB SL4 worth $300 more than a Traktor A10? God, I hate being indecisive
Tari Virdi 07.03.2013	haze324 Thanks for the feedback.... I have a hard time syncing ableton or maschine to TSP...I am trying to get this solve with either way...but, i have invested so much time and $ in NI, but still i have not able to use at least TSP and Maschine, and also no able to use remix decks (without the F1)....That is why I am considering Serato-bridge...I have to see what happen in the future with both...thanks again
Julissa Serrone 07.03.2013	Originally Posted by rjfermin I like pretty much the bridge... I am a ableton user and TSP...but I am between buying 2 F1 for traktor (550$) to use remix decks or buy a SL3 (600$) and use the bridge...I prefer the Serato-Bridge from what i have seen...but, I am not sure, i have never use Serato... I have the APC40..to control Ableton...x2 kontrol X1, Denon Dns 3700, Denon DNX 1600 , 2 1200 mk2 and maschine.... what do you believe?...any ideas?...1.- Wait for NI to open Remix Decks, so i can use the midi controller I have....2.-get Serato-Bridge 3.- or get the Kontrol F1....any experience with this .....thanks in advance. If the Moderators consider I should open another thread, let me know..thanks I would wait. Serato has not made much advancement on the Bridge since it first came out (believe this has more to do with Ableton folks that the Serato team); so I'm curious to see what developments are coming ahead. Same with Traktor --- the remix decks are fairly new, but NI always has a well thought out roadmap.
Tari Virdi 07.03.2013	I like pretty much the bridge... I am a ableton user and TSP...but I am between buying 2 F1 for traktor (550$) to use remix decks or buy a SL3 (600$) and use the bridge...I prefer the Serato-Bridge from what i have seen...but, I am not sure, i have never use Serato... I have the APC40..to control Ableton...x2 kontrol X1, Denon Dns 3700, Denon DNX 1600 , 2 1200 mk2 and maschine.... what do you believe?...any ideas?...1.- Wait for NI to open Remix Decks, so i can use the midi controller I have....2.-get Serato-Bridge 3.- or get the Kontrol F1....any experience with this .....thanks in advance. If the Moderators consider I should open another thread, let me know..thanks
Danae Dumler 07.03.2013	Originally Posted by jprime Yes this can be done. http://serato.com/latest/blog/7553/b...for-the-bridge Nice! I didn't know it was possible. It should be a known feature rather than a workaround, but still very cool.
Breanne Penge 08.03.2013	Sure hope they continue with the Bridge moving forward on their roadmap....whatever it may be. Such a great marriage.
Julissa Serrone 08.03.2013	Originally Posted by jprime Yes this can be done. http://serato.com/latest/blog/7553/b...for-the-bridge You da man. I've never seen this..... ...also side note, Serato Itch and Serato DJ have "warpable" or "flexible" beatgrids....and they work awesome are much easier to set than Traktors. I would assume that when the day comes for SSL to have a sync button it would also have that feature.
Jerica Salava 08.03.2013	Originally Posted by Bassline Brine I don't ever want to be bothered with gridding tracks. That being said, I really enjoy SSL's interface. I've actually been debating selling my SL1 for an SL4 box for awhile now, because it would just make life so much easier for transitioning between DJ's using SSL. That dual USB feature is something amazing if you're working with others using SSL often. I've been using Traktor for 5 years and I've only had to beat grid about 5 tracks. The same tracks that will drift in Traktor will drift in Serato. You will have to ride the pitch bend. The only permanent cure is to warp them and re-save them with Ableton. >
Breanne Penge 07.03.2013	Originally Posted by djproben No it doesn't at least not last I checked. It allows you to launch ableton clips in sync with records which is good, but it does NOT give you Ableton effects on Serato channels. So you can't just pump your records in Serato through some of the badass effects available for Ableton. Which is too damn bad. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong about that please... Yes this can be done. http://serato.com/latest/blog/7553/b...for-the-bridge
Maile Dekerlegand 07.03.2013	Originally Posted by Shishdisma -Literally impossible to change over, the antithesis to the dual USB. Seriously, in any kind of club environment, all of that awesome super great "fill the I/O up" flexibility gets cut down to nothing in the face of getting an engineer to deal with the kafikaesque cable-Hell you create fully patching that thing in. Luckily, it can be run quite minimalist with controllers and internal mixing. haha regrettably tis true
Alphonso Deitchman 07.03.2013	For non-timecode use, can the SL4 be used to transition between two people using Traktor?
Nedra Fresneda 07.03.2013	DJTT is against any form of piracy. If anyone else brings it up again they will be joining the ranks of the 1 week off gang so be wise and don't ruin your community experience .
Lindy Jonker 07.03.2013	SL3, at least, can run off AC power and the two channels (excluding AUX) will pipe your source through. Otherwise it doesn't require power to function: runs reliably off the juice supplied by your computer. Things I don't know are: - the difference in battery usage if using a notebook, SL3 running off USB versus AC - whether SL4 operates in the same manner as stated above - whether SL4 allows THRU on all four channels (assume so, as there's an additional AUX)
Adrienne Wilcoxen 07.03.2013	Originally Posted by LoopCat Yes the A10 needs to be powered but the benefit of this is when your laptop is turned off you can still play music through the sound card I'm not sure if the Serato box can do this. It's good when you when just want to spin straight vinyl without your computer hooked up. You make a great point. I would have never thought of that!
Ming Devis 07.03.2013	Originally Posted by Skullduggery A lot of excellent input here. Thanks lads. If it the SL4 is a fair bit more expensive, but that's the reason I work, right? Serato is the standard around here when playing out and I'm already familiar with the set up. Is it true that the A10 requires a power source, not just USB? While that's not a huge problem, it's an inconvenience and just more wires I need to deal with. Yes the A10 needs to be powered but the benefit of this is when your laptop is turned off you can still play music through the sound card I'm not sure if the Serato box can do this. It's good when you when just want to spin straight vinyl without your computer hooked up.
Adrienne Wilcoxen 07.03.2013	A lot of excellent input here. Thanks lads. If it the SL4 is a fair bit more expensive, but that's the reason I work, right? Serato is the standard around here when playing out and I'm already familiar with the set up. Is it true that the A10 requires a power source, not just USB? While that's not a huge problem, it's an inconvenience and just more wires I need to deal with.
Emelina Chillson 06.03.2013	Im sad to see this has turned into a traktor versus serato thread. Ill be honest wiht you mate. If you plan on just playing clubs then serato is the way to go. If youre doing anything else, go with traktor. Both do the same basic things. Its all preference. I have both installed on my laptop even tho I am a traktor nut. I have shown up to gigs where they dont let me set up my gear tho so I end up opening up serato and connect to the box they have on hand. Always, as with any DVS, have vinyl and cd's as back up. You never know what you might run into.
Danae Dumler 06.03.2013	Originally Posted by MRG12EG iserato has a simple design i prefer the way your organise your music in it (using creates ) - it isnt as good with effects. but fully integrates with ableton using the bridge! No it doesn't at least not last I checked. It allows you to launch ableton clips in sync with records which is good, but it does NOT give you Ableton effects on Serato channels. So you can't just pump your records in Serato through some of the badass effects available for Ableton. Which is too damn bad. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong about that please... This means Traktor is probably a better bet if you like to use effects and especially if you like fine tuning them. Traktor is incredibly powerful effects-wise since you can combine them in multiple ways, and the midi mapping capabilities, while complicated, are very powerful - you can assign specific combinations of effects to a single knob or button so you can make your own. They're still limited though; it would be great if you could use VST effects on either system the way you can in Ableton. Serato, meanwhile, is pretty limited in the effects category last I checked. I heard Izotope was going to rewrite all of Serato's effects, which would be great if that happened, but I haven't heard them if they got updated, or if Izotope's other effects (some of which are amazing) will be available to Serato DJ users.
Breanne Penge 06.03.2013	I like the video option in serato. It may not be what you want now, but at least it's an option down the road. Having your own visuals all ready to go is a great selling feature for a lot of clubs.

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