Behringer DDM4000 or Allen&Heath Xone:22?????????
Behringer DDM4000 or Allen&Heath Xone:22????????? Posted on: 25.11.2010 by Melia Balvaneda As of right now i only have a M-Audio X session pro, and 2 midi fighters for djing with traktor, and i am wanting to get a better mixer but cannot decide between the Xone:22 and the DDM4000!!!The Xone22 has less features and only 2 channels, but Allen&Heath seems to be known for making better quality gear . The DDM4000 has 4 channels and a ton of built in effects! buuut is about $100 more, and im just not too sure about Behringer. I dont know how there stuff is compared to Allen&Heath. So if someone has one of these two mixers, could you tell what you like/dont like about it? or if anyone knows anything in general about them. Thanks so much! | |
| Nila Ragonese 04.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by Djseannutley
Secondly in comparison to the A&H 22. It's not even a comparison in terms of sound quality. |
| Lilliana Perris 04.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by zimfella
Wierd that there is no power button. |
| Lilliana Perris 04.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by zimfella
I am really stoked with this little mixer. Now that I got the Innofader adjusted, its TITS. |
| Hanna Ridenbaugh 04.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by Boomcie
thanks |
| Glenda Wisler 04.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by Toast
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| Sherry Nyblom 02.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by Boomcie
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| Sherry Nyblom 02.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by Boomcie
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| Rochel Tellefsen 04.02.2012 | I have been using a DDM4000 for about 2 years now and have never had any trouble with it. My only complaint is that the sound quality is very muddy, most noticeable in the mid range frequencies. Everything else on it works great though! |
| Nila Ragonese 04.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by Djseannutley
Secondly in comparison to the A&H 22. It's not even a comparison in terms of sound quality. |
| Lilliana Perris 04.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by zimfella
Wierd that there is no power button. |
| Lilliana Perris 04.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by zimfella
I am really stoked with this little mixer. Now that I got the Innofader adjusted, its TITS. |
| Sherry Nyblom 04.02.2012 | Im more or less settled on either xone 22 or vestax vmc-004 xl. Does anyone have any input on vestax mixers, or this one in particular? It has 4 channels which is kinda important for me, but the most important thing is build and sound quality. I heard vestax is good in that regard, yours opinion? |
| Hanna Ridenbaugh 04.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by Boomcie
thanks |
| Glenda Wisler 04.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by Toast
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| Nila Ragonese 03.02.2012 | Get the XONE. I'm literally using a DDM-4000 right now. The sound quality is ruining all my lovely tunes. |
| Tamekia Piraino 02.02.2012 | It usually just involves soldering the contacts to the circuit board, pretty simple if you're good at that type of thing. I know that I suck at it. |
| Sherry Nyblom 02.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by Boomcie
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| Tamekia Piraino 02.02.2012 | I guess that it isn't a problem if you never move your gear |
| Sherry Nyblom 02.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by Boomcie
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| Tamekia Piraino 02.02.2012 | Don't forget about that pesky power supply connection problem on the 22 |
| Hanna Ridenbaugh 02.02.2012 | Once you realise how to use the filter. it becomes second nature and you won't pop it. |
| Sherry Nyblom 02.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by sarasin
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| Lilliana Perris 27.01.2012 | The faders are awesome! Long and smooth...like all A&H products. There is a niggle with the Filter when you engage it. It makes a pop...but read up on it and you will learn to work around it. Its a good mixer....for the price....amazing. |
| Sherry Nyblom 27.01.2012 |
Originally Posted by sarasin
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| Lilliana Perris 27.01.2012 | I have the Xone:22 and have the Innofader Pro in it. So...you have the BEST built mixer....the BEST X Fader....and you have the A&H filter. All for the same price of the DDM. If you have a controller already...not need for more midi control on the mixer I rate. The DDM will disapoint in the long run. |
| Sherry Nyblom 27.01.2012 | I also have the same problem, believeing between yhese 2 mixers. I need it to be sturdy and last long, so im going more for xone 22. But it seems ddm4000 has optical faders and therefore can last longer and not surr what kind of faders xone22 have? |
| Random X 27.11.2010 | Anytime bro'! |
| Melia Balvaneda 26.11.2010 | Ah! i just looked at all of these posts! haha but thanks so much for everyones input However, I believe that im going to go with the Xone:22. I feel that i already have a lot of options to work with, with my midi fighters and traktor. So i dont want to have all of these effects and midi options to use with the DDM4000 and distract myself from the actual choice music that I play. Also, with still pretty much being a beginner its probably better to focus on two deck mixing rather than four, and listen more to what sounds good when mixing. Also, I know that the Xone:22 is going to last me a long time, and if i keep Djing, when would it be a bad time to have a 2 channel analog mixer? i could always use it as a back up if i upgrade to four channels. And Subdamen! that was a good post, and i agree with you on that So yeah! thanks again everyone for their input! it really did help with my decision. Im excited to get one, hopefull christmas! haha Thanks again! |
| Random X 26.11.2010 | I'm using a mixer next to my MIDIs, loving every bit of it. |
| Irwin Ney 26.11.2010 | Man do you need the mixer for home use? If yes, don't believe about any other, buy the damn DDM4000. You will have tons of ways to setup with it... You can use it as an audio interface + midi controller, use as analog and mix externally, you can use turntables + cdjs with it, the possibilities are huge... Any setup that you can imagine can be done with it and you will have 4 channels to practice at home. I really don't see why to get the A&H if you will play at home, the only reason that I would buy an A&H is audio quality... My setup at home will be Macbook Pro + iPAD + M-Audio Firewire 610 + Behringer DDM4000 + Traktor Pro external 4 decks mixing + some other midi controller (I have two korg nanos) |
| Omar Nila 26.11.2010 | A&H is the better mixer, but i would get the ddm4000 and midi map it and not use it for an analogue mixer then just use it like your x-session as a controller with your midi fighters, ace setup imo, But if you want to mix analogue within a mixer then A&H is probably the way to go |
| Lawana Mileto 26.11.2010 | there is no question that out of these two mixers, the xone:22 is the better mixer. A&H mixers are amazing, they should be the industry standard over pioneer really. Like me you said you had an audio 2 souncard, and your using an m-audio x-session pro, so if you fancy mixing externally you can, if you fancy mixing four tracks switch to internal and use the m-audio to act as your mixer. The A&H is the most sensible buy out of the two, it will hold its value more than the behringer and in the long run will last you longer. |
| Patty Mcgilbra 26.11.2010 | same decision here :/ currently have an X1, Audio 2 and VMX 200 I'd use the ddm 4000 as a pure midi mixer for traktor so sound quality is not an issue, wouldn't use the effects at all and it's so damn cheap for a 4 channel mixer. And I'd get some knobs, buttons and faders (crossfader) for super kbobs/faders and some effects presets... would LOVE to be able to afford a Xone 42 + adio 8 instead but I won't drop that much cash becasue I'm not sure if I'd use the 4 channels that well Xone 22 has the nice filters+sound and build quality. I could get the 22 and route C&D into the same channels as A&B to get a feel for it and use C&D to drop some samlpes etc, but no EQ on those channels would be sad :/ |
| Jutta Safdari 25.11.2010 | You are right asand but let me just put in something here.... People starting out do not know what they NEED.. they only know what they WANT... i myself was one of those guys and i really wish i had some guidance in the begining ..someone to tell me that eventually this is what you are looking at and frankly, i believe this community is an excellent avenue for that... I have seen far too many young ppl dropping 4k of their parent's money to buy the latest and greatest, only to sell them off a few months later cos they realise that they dont have the passion/dedication/need for what they have.... The price point of the DDM is too low to offer the quality features that you are looking for... yes, they are midi assignable but the questions are a. With the money that you spend, what would you recover if you ever sell it? b. How long will it last? A&H's come up trumps on both points... (Think about how Bozak's are still around..you would be hard pressed to find a behringer after so many years.. just to make you believe). You are more likely to want to upgrade as you move on so these things are something that you should look into... |
| Ralph Alderette 25.11.2010 | Really though, all up to you. these are just our opinions and we have no idea what you'll believe once you get it. i believe you'll be happy with either one. just believe of what you want, and will eventually NEED. some ppl want more, and some want just enough of the features. hope you like what you get though!! |
| Ralph Alderette 25.11.2010 |
Originally Posted by Subdaman
but I take care of my stuff... and Yes, I play out with it often. |
| Ralph Alderette 25.11.2010 |
Originally Posted by Georgeo0
but there's also a bunch on the net. I use mine with the audio2. A and B go to the middle channels (2 and 3), and C and D are my sample decks so I only have a filter knob and volume fader assigned to either side (chan. 1 and 4) that's internal mixing though. but I've found a way to assign EVERYTHING though. |
| Fay Scibona 25.11.2010 | great post, Subdaman. for similar reasons, i also believe xone:22 >>>> ddm4000 |
| Jutta Safdari 25.11.2010 | go for the xone 22 Here is why.... If you wants a lot of bells and whistles, you have to pay for it for the bells and whistles to be good (believe Evo 5) At the price point at which the Behringer is sold, it simply cannot provide quality bells and whistles. So you will find that it will not sound very good at all. Behringers tend to break (google it) A&H are simple mixers but they are built like tanks and their sound quality is awesome. Having been playing out for so long, i know that initially when one starts out, the focus is on effects and other cool things but as you get older/more experienced, you will find that you use the effects to enhance your mix and nothing else. The effects will be used more sparingly and more intelligently than anything else. Your focus will become more towards getting a smooth mix and excellent programming. You will believe more about your track selection and various elements of the track rather than how to make the track cool i.e. you will become more musical. More often than not, effects take away from the story that you are trying to tell. How do i know? Well, i made the same mistakes... i bought a mixer with heaps of effects (djm 909) and when i was playing out i was messing around with the effects etc a lot. Then one day my friend james and i did a review of our old mixtapes and realised that we were both using a lot of effects which was not doing much to enhance the track except to make it cool to watch / listen etc...after a while it got irritating... both of us toned down and focused more on other things.... my 2 cents... |
| Brunilda Kora 25.11.2010 | Xone:22 vs DDM4000? DDM4000 wins HANDS DOWN. Xone:22 is nothing more than a 2 channel audio mixer. Nothing to write home about. Don't get sucked in by the A&H label. I can absolutely guarantee, 100%, that you will have more fun, and be more creative (read: make better mixes), if you buy a DDM4000 over the :22. I LOVE mine. |
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