Pioneer DJM 850
Pioneer DJM 850 Posted on: 23.02.2012 by Brigitte Hertzfeld just received this in my mailwhat do you believe... im looking very much forward to the price.. http://pioneerdj.com/index_f.html#/e...ts/djm850/more http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=FrteMx4l-IQ#! | |
| Noelia Martig 23.02.2012 | I'll stick to my DJM900. Cool mixer but my 900NXS new cost me 1499$ in California |
| Dorie Scelzo 23.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
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| Rochel Gleese 23.02.2012 | And it doesn't even work with record box, I guess it's good if you're only planning on using it for atraktor Kontrol, but IMO its major FAIL! It's friggin ugly... |
| Freddie Henrichs 23.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by JDFS
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| Bennett Riepenhoff 23.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by Andy Rigby-Jones
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| Alla Bluemke 23.02.2012 | $2000 is ridic. I thought maybe it would come in at $1500 msrp. I would seriously consider it then, but at that price I'm still going to get a nexus 900. Besides I have 2000s so it only makes sense to get a 900. But still that price is insane for what you get, besides the traktor cert, there isn't really much else to it. |
| Verlene Geevarghese 23.02.2012 | So Korg can get two mixers that didn't sell squat certified, but A&H can't get a DB series mixer a cert? Unless the Zero series mixers are the reasons why they won't blindly certify any mixer with a $1000+ price tag? Either way, it's an 800 with 4/4 soundcard. Whoopdy. Friggin. Doo. It takes some serious balls to believe people are this dumb. But then again when they fly off the shelves, they'll say 'man, these people are dumb'. |
| Basil Forshee 23.02.2012 | Well, I don't know how much channels you'll use with Timecode, but you can purchase an Audio 6 for what, $ 200? I'm 100% sure that you will not regret the purchase of the DB2 above the DN X-1600, but then again; who am I? I'm just a Xone-fanboy . |
| Tommy Bazyk 23.02.2012 | I do not own a Traktor interface. |
| Tatum Ansaldo 23.02.2012 | Do you already have a TSP audio interface? If so, scratch certification is no biggy. |
| Tommy Bazyk 23.02.2012 | The TSP certification is the only thing keeping me from the DB2 sadly. |
| Basil Forshee 23.02.2012 | Go for the Xone DB2 if you can do without the Traktor Scratch Certification. The DB2 is a few leagues ahead of 'the rest'. |
| Tommy Bazyk 23.02.2012 | I'm really debating b/w this and the Denon DN-X1600. I pretty much had my mind made up, but I have second thoughts now. Anyone have any input? |
| Rhona Naron 23.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by mostapha
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| Lang Abriel 23.02.2012 | I like frank's point and I believe it is very valid but what has NI even done to help support legacy products? nothing really....most has glitches, never worked, and were never resolved. THat lack of support made many ppl switch to serato, but we are not talking about mackie or ecler mixers, we are talking about A&H. Up until recently A&H was a world class product and know for reliability and quality. I am convinced it is more to do with marketing and exclusivity than the effort that NI would have to make....I get that its business but don't try to make other excuses other than business. I wish NI would make an official statement on the matter, atleast serato has stated that they work with rane and only rane for SSL. The 850 comes in silver so I will probably buy it!!!!! |
| Teresia Janusch 23.02.2012 | planning to buy a djm900 within the next week...this mixer has not changed my mind... |
| Brunilda Kora 23.02.2012 | It's got midi out - has it got the 900's beat-by-beat midi clock? |
| Alla Bluemke 23.02.2012 | Frank you read my mind. |
| Alla Bluemke 23.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by Paco Loco
Pioneer may have an exclusivity with NI too. An agreement that states for X amount of years their mixers are the only certified, or they have preferential choice, in lew of cash, or something else. |
| Dino Hapgood 23.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
1) Support costs. Supporting more mixers means higher support costs. Supporting two boxes and two mixers is easier. Support of legacy gear gets expensive. I believe N.I. learned this after certifying a bunch of mixers in the past. 2) Non-Compete/Exclusivity agreements. 3) Not wanting to dilute their brand. Pioneer is considered the standard. It is the counterpoint to Rane and Serato. Certifying a whole bunch of different mixers is a short-term gain. It's best to pour all of your resources into the investment with the greatest return - which would be pioneer mixers since they are used in most clubs around the world, as opposed to spreading them thin over other investments with lower returns and less room for growth. Now you get a premier distribution and sales team in pioneer and only have to support two mixers and probably a few CDJ's. As long as there are non-competes/exclusivity agreements and NDA's pioneer can share its design with NI and vice versa to make a more tightly integrated product that leverages the strengths of each company. |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 24.02.2012 | Yeah, I don't understand what they lose from certifying other mixers. |
| Logan Lassey 24.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by skratchworx
In fact it probably makes them money, since I'd imagine A&H would have to pay some sort of license fee, wouldn't they? |
| Renaldo Chansky 24.02.2012 | It's to do with sales figures. NI would rather back the products that are likely to be strong sellers. As amazing as the DB4 is, it'll never become a club fixture. A Pioneer mixer, regardless of its abilities, will always find favour in a booth. More booths makes better business sense for NI because it makes Traktor more of a standard than any other software. At least, that's my take on things. |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 24.02.2012 | I've heard a lot of talk saying that A&H have been trying to get it certified but NI haven't gone for it yet. |
| Logan Lassey 23.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by ekwipt
I have no idea if that's the case but is there any evidence to show that it's NI who are the problem? |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 23.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
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| Rochel Gleese 23.02.2012 | And we're still left with no scratch certification in the DB2 DB4. I'm convinced Pioneer has paid NI to not give Scratch cert to Allen & Heath??? Is that illegal in Germany?? |
| Romelia Stankard 23.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by mostapha
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| Dorie Scelzo 23.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by Luconia
No, seriously, Pioneer mixers sound clean and awesome |
| Carlotta Fabick 23.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by Toast
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| Nila Ragonese 23.02.2012 | i believe street price is going to be 1499 USD which is CRAZY when they label it as a perfect mixer for HOME use. Who's home?! The perfect mixer for the 1%. |
| Emely Metz 23.02.2012 | Seems like a DJM800 to me, what's the major difference? one thing for sure, i can't stand watching the youtube commercial...wtf messing with white noise all over? thank to this vid i believe i'm officially fell out of love from my good ol DJM800, which served well me for the last 4 years...i really want a Xone for a change this time. |
| Tatum Ansaldo 23.02.2012 | What exactly does this offer that's better than buying a second hand 800 for half the price and a TSP bundle? Especially since most people who want to use Traktor Scratch functionality will more than likely already have an audio interface. Also, I can see why they put the USB port on the faceplate but it makes it very untidy if you're keeping the USB plugged in all the time. No ProDJ link either, nor digital inputs. I really don't get who this is aimed at, if it's for straight CDJ use with 850s then there's no need for the sound card so it's just the slightly improved FX that raise it above the 800. If it's for Traktor use with CDJ timecode then working with NI to implement advanced HID would have made a lot of sense. After all, using CDJs for timecode renders all looping (and, to some extent, cueing) functions useless. |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 23.02.2012 | That price cannot possibly be correct... |
| Kandy Ahdoot 23.02.2012 | i still believe the 800 will be the main mixer for a long time to come,but with this release should be able to get a good 2nd deal on the 800 |
| Dorie Scelzo 23.02.2012 | MSRP 1999? Are they kidding themselves? I mean |
| Kandra Fagler 23.02.2012 | Wow traktor scratch certification! It's gonna get easier and easier to play out with traktor without carrying anything! |
| Palma Hanslip 23.02.2012 | I was pretty much looking forward to what this was going to be over the 700/800 but to be honest this has dissapointed me and i am a big Pio fanboy. It's basically just a revised version of the 800. As said before why is it in this price range? There is now a massive gap laying where people would have bought the 700. I can't help but believe they are just using the 800's popularity against the price. |
| Makkins Clifton 23.02.2012 | ...or update the drivers of the DJM 2000 to support 4 input channels so I could make it TRAKTOR SCRATCH verified. |
| Danae Dumler 23.02.2012 | from what I could tell from the youtube, those effects sound pretty decent, at least the ones he was using. But who knows. I don't understand why Pioneer needs another mixer in the same price range with pretty much the same features as the 900 -- why not firmware update the 900 with new effects or whatever? Seems like product overkill. The scratch certification annoys me though. Why is it that this mixer in a market with a lot of products currently gets certified before it's even been announced and yet NI won't consider certifying the DB line. *sigh* |
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