When is it worth going to CDJ-2000s
When is it worth going to CDJ-2000s Posted on: 21.05.2012 by Zonia Provens Realistically when is it worth the investment of purchasing a CDJ-2000 setup? I know it all varies on your needs and wants in DJing, etc... Ive only been back into digital doing for a few months and only doing house parties etc on a Zone DX, i do like it for the mobility and small size, but it leaves me wanting more. I want more control, more effects, just MORE... Going the CDJ route is certainly the most expensive option, but when I do things I like to go all out and give it my all. At my age I have no idea if playing big venues will ever happen, but house parties are a definite and local clubs I hope to get there some day. I play more progressive house, with the occasional dub step tracks. Midi controllers is certainly something I would like to add to my setup as well. But I am looking to get the most out of my gear and have best at my fingertips to learn from. thanks for the tips | |
| Margareta Malman 24.05.2012 | x1700 was (the particular quote i went with didn't break it down) but 2 sc2000's, xd40 head phones and the 1700 was |
| Margareta Malman 24.05.2012 | x1700 was (the particular quote i went with didn't break it down) but 2 sc2000's, xd40 head phones and the 1700 was |
| Margareta Malman 24.05.2012 | x1700 was (the particular quote i went with didn't break it down) but 2 sc2000's, xd40 head phones and the 1700 was |
| Margareta Malman 24.05.2012 | x1700 was (the particular quote i went with didn't break it down) but 2 sc2000's, xd40 head phones and the 1700 was |
| Zonia Provens 24.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by JohnnyDrama
Still debating on this deal though. I mean I really wonder if a Nexus version will be that much better and at what price point... If I buy these used 2000s I dont know if Ill feel like selling and then rebuying the new ones in winter. What do you guys believe? |
| Dannielle Dingey 24.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by Mahoney86
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| Zonia Provens 24.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by JohnnyDrama
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| Margareta Malman 24.05.2012 | x1700 was (the particular quote i went with didn't break it down) but 2 sc2000's, xd40 head phones and the 1700 was |
| Margareta Malman 24.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by JohnnyDrama
So how are pioneers overall cost different to any other manufacturer? I mean take Gemini's cdj's just as a 'fun' sort of example, are big bad Gemini running sweatshops for dj gear while the beacon of hope an all things good that is pioneer have a 'fairtrade' policy maybe lolz. Denon and Numark as another example are pumping out some very good looking and solid hardware atm, tasty azz! Yet there is still a hell of a price leap. now i understand an lcd screen does add a little bit and it's an addition worth paying for at the present point of time. However I would like to understand the rest of the mark up, can you help with this? Owned 2 cdj1km3's bout 5 years ago, sold them after 2 months, nothing wrong with them just preferred dns 5000's for my home/mobile set up (and still a great cd player imo, way ahead of its time) |
| Dannielle Dingey 23.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by Mahoney86
I don't see ferrari's go cheap (new ones) but I guess you can build a kit car for less then half the price & still be faster.... And you point is ?? The CDJ 2000's are expensive, face it and buy them or don't and be done with it. The only people I see complaining about the price are ones that don't have one, pair or more NOFI & not personal (last 2 lines) |
| Zonia Provens 24.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by JohnnyDrama
Still debating on this deal though. I mean I really wonder if a Nexus version will be that much better and at what price point... If I buy these used 2000s I dont know if Ill feel like selling and then rebuying the new ones in winter. What do you guys believe? |
| Dannielle Dingey 24.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by Mahoney86
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| Zonia Provens 24.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by JohnnyDrama
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| Dannielle Dingey 24.05.2012 | Sounds like a good deal ! Am I the only one that would find it strange that they released a firmware update (late jan 2012) when preparing a new version to launch ? I believe the 2000 nexus are at least 4-6 months away from release. |
| Zonia Provens 24.05.2012 | have a decent local deal on CDJ2000s used... but im gonna flip if a nexus version comes out. Same token the price savings on used isnt all that great. Best price new I could find was 1734 with free shipping that GC will match. Have a local deal of 1200 each used in good shape |
| Zonia Provens 24.05.2012 | I am not ragging on anyones price point whatsoever. Your product is worth what the market will pay and why the hell be in business not to make a profit? Pioneer could charge 5k a peice and I gurantee people would still pay for it. You want the best you pay for the best |
| Margareta Malman 24.05.2012 | x1700 was (the particular quote i went with didn't break it down) but 2 sc2000's, xd40 head phones and the 1700 was |
| Dannielle Dingey 24.05.2012 | Gemini... B-brand with B-quality hardware, advertising is almost nonexistent, lots of rebranding (R&D is a joke), aftersales & availabilty of parts (older gear
) is euh yeah....a joke Denon: A-brand with A-quality hardware...they are @ pioneers level but lost the industry standard (not 4 being a lesser product !) and that has hurt sales real hard. But how much was that DN-X1700 again ? Numark: don't know them well enough to comment but I guess you get my point Pioneer can ask whatever they want and still sell like crazy, they had monster hits with cdj800(MKI-II) - cdj1000 (MKI-III) - cdj2000 - DJM700 - DJM800 - HDJ1000 - EFX500 - EFX1000 and the list goes on. All these products were/are overpriced, because they deliver something that no other brand can offer (for one it's the industry standard thing, the other buys it because of ease of use, resale value, quality build, ....) |
| Margareta Malman 24.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by JohnnyDrama
So how are pioneers overall cost different to any other manufacturer? I mean take Gemini's cdj's just as a 'fun' sort of example, are big bad Gemini running sweatshops for dj gear while the beacon of hope an all things good that is pioneer have a 'fairtrade' policy maybe lolz. Denon and Numark as another example are pumping out some very good looking and solid hardware atm, tasty azz! Yet there is still a hell of a price leap. now i understand an lcd screen does add a little bit and it's an addition worth paying for at the present point of time. However I would like to understand the rest of the mark up, can you help with this? Owned 2 cdj1km3's bout 5 years ago, sold them after 2 months, nothing wrong with them just preferred dns 5000's for my home/mobile set up (and still a great cd player imo, way ahead of its time) |
| Dannielle Dingey 23.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by Mahoney86
I don't see ferrari's go cheap (new ones) but I guess you can build a kit car for less then half the price & still be faster.... And you point is ?? The CDJ 2000's are expensive, face it and buy them or don't and be done with it. The only people I see complaining about the price are ones that don't have one, pair or more NOFI & not personal (last 2 lines) |
| Zonia Provens 23.05.2012 | I can only imagine. Ive had 2 businesses of my own and I can say the mark up is huge sometimes. I have some friends in electronics and the companies costs for things is peanuts.... I know tons of computer techys that just build their own laptops that will blow any Mac or AlienWare out of the water for 1/2 the price if not cheaper. But it is what it is I guess. |
| Margareta Malman 23.05.2012 | I know what you mean bud and where your coming from. What drives me wild, having built and maintained electronic hardware is What your been asked to pay. |
| Zonia Provens 23.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by Richie bula
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| Margareta Malman 23.05.2012 | Haha geez! 2 cdj2000 nexus and a djm2000......for your home......Yea never mind occupying wall street for someone who works on it aye mate! |
| Zonia Provens 23.05.2012 | If the price point is that similar than I believe youre right, the DJM 2000 is the way to go, whole lot of mixer for only a few more. Biggest issue now is if these damn Nexus 2000s are coming out or not. It would be nice to have some solid leaks of features, if its only something basic its not worth it, but if they come with color waveforms, and ive heard spec that they will come with RMX-1000 effects its totally worth the wait |
| Nancey Inderlied 22.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by Mahoney86
The DJM-900 is around $1750 from Amazob, the 2k fluctuates around $2050-$2150. It's got absolutely everything you need, and then some.
Originally Posted by deevey
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| Zonia Provens 22.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
As far as mixers go I was hesitant as I only know of a handful of people that use it. I actually thought it might be too much of a mixer but I also don't remember the price point being so close. I've been looking at too many numbers recently |
| Rolanda Clodfelder 22.05.2012 | The 900 does not have quantize which would be a big turn off for me personally. |
| Nancey Inderlied 22.05.2012 | If you're looking at CDJs, it's worth looking at refurb/new 900s rather than 2000s. Refurb 900s are $900 a deck from Pioneer, and that's roughly $500-$800 a deck cheaper than 2000s. With the 2000s, you get the advantage of the needle search, hot cues, and the pretty screen, that's it. An extra $1000-$1600 for just that. Unless you NEED hot cues, you want 900s. Also, dont waste your time with the DJM-900. It's like a $100-$300 premium to get a DJM-2000, and that's just so much more comfortable and powerful all around. Unless you absolutely need a Traktor Scratch card built in, the 2k is infinitely worth it. |
| Zonia Provens 22.05.2012 | After searching I believe the CDJs are the way to go, ive spent the whole day in the office reading up on these....The crap thing now is are the Nexus 2000s actually going to come out? Theres no hardfact that the 2000s were discontinued, only leaked. I mean I do agree that everything points in the direction that a Nexus CDJ should be coming out (3years since the 2000s came out, the release of the 900 Nexus and Limited headphones etc) but here we are in basically June and still no real info... If color waveforms and all the speculations are really coming its worth the wait til fall no matter how much its going to kill me, but I bet we get close to a 3k price tag |
| Rolanda Clodfelder 22.05.2012 | For home use I could not in good conscience go with Pioneers unless they were actually making me money by bringing them to every gig. Every gig I play its on my list of gear
that must be provided so just couldn't justify having a pair for home as well. I'd honestly go with something that has the same features and reasonably the same layout at a lower cost. Unless reckordbox support is on your list of things they must do. |
| Zonia Provens 22.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by shr3dder
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| Glennie Gilger 22.05.2012 | The thing is bro you seem like you already have your mind made up about getting them and if thats the case go for it, I had the CDJ 2000's but I prefer moving platters. |
| Ara Tima 21.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by Mahoney86
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| Zonia Provens 21.05.2012 | I do regret getting rid of my 1210s years ago. I grew out of djing during college and sold everything off, its still an option to go back but I do lean more towards CDJs. Hopefully we get some more chiming in here and see what the lot believes |
| Ara Tima 21.05.2012 | Controllers are the worst of the lot if you want to future proof.... it's kinda why you pay less then $1000 for a whole set-up. A set of 1200s + DVS supported mixer is the most future proof option in my opinion, then just add an X1/F1 and you can do everything + more for a fraction of the price of a full pioneer set-up. |
| Zonia Provens 21.05.2012 | Thanks for the input guys I really appreciate both the pros and cons. Like my original post Im really looking to grow from my and your mistakes (as bad as that sounds). Do not get my wrong I do love my Zone DX for what it is and for what I paid for it, its more than likely not going anywhere. So I am not opposed to controllers, but I need expandability and I do want longevity. The Zone DX made it what a year before being outdated? Same as the VCI-300 and even then 400 when Ean made his changes. The VCI-400 was the first thing I was looking at, but the way I look at it, controllers are so new they are constantly getting phased out quickly. Id rather trade in some old gear and bite the bullet on the hefty price tag of a full Pio Nexus setup and get 5-6years out of it before its outdated. |
| Ara Tima 21.05.2012 |
Originally Posted by deevey
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| Rolanda Clodfelder 21.05.2012 |
I have went through 2 setups, which combined probably cost double CDJ 2000s, therefore this time around I would rather do it right.
Unfortunatly CD players unlike turntables do go have an expiry date. |
| Margareta Malman 21.05.2012 | I'm a tradesman and engineer first and a dj second, i look at things a certain way that i guess might seem a little different. I have owned cdj's and owned/looked/played/read at other stuff as well and i just sincerely believe you guys are getting a raw deal. |
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