Next generation traktor controller?
Next generation traktor controller? Posted on: 20.06.2012 by Joye Pavkovich Is it possible NI might be working on a new S4-like controller (it's already been out almost two years) in the near future or will they just continue riding the success of the S4/S2 and release small units like the F1 to accompany their S4/S2?Ideally, I'm looking for a controller with functionality similar to the VCI-380 and Twitch, but 4-channel and with actual traktor integration, so preferably by NI. Anyone believe this might be up NI's alley? | |
| Rolanda Clodfelder 22.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
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| Natalia Bucko 21.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by attila
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
This. contrary to what apple, NI, and other companies with this business model want you to believe, you can have out of the box "plug and play" support, without being built by the same companythat made the software. There's no reason why any company's hardware can't do all of the same things as NI's, except NI won't let them. |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 21.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by Patch
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21.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by kooper1980
No one should ever complain about anything because that's just the way it is? The internet would just shut down over evening . Also I'd guess that the vast majority of NI's userbase does not use NI kit. Only a guess of course. |
| Natalia Bucko 21.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by kooper1980
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| Kiyoko Wellisch 21.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by faderswagger
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| Natalia Bucko 21.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by kooper1980
What you described in both of your posts is the fundamental difference in the classic pc vs mac, open source vs closed source, android vs iphone etc... You don't see through NI's bullshit, because you're the personality type to just take things for surface value. If it works, it's fine. Take things out of a box, and do something. It's the difference between a replicator and a creative. You see something and want to do it like that, we see something and want to do our own better version of it. nothing is inherently *better* about either, but you have to understand that the people looking deeper into this that you are also know what they're talking about more than you do. Yes, NI is accomplishing the goal of making something easy to use for the DJs who just want to pull something out of a box and use it... But they could easily be making a good product for both personality types, rather than just yours. So easily, that they're actually going out of their way to prevent creatives from having full control over their software, because they know that if they let us, then somebody out there will make hardware for it better than theirs, and they won't sell as many controllers. it's the same as apple's business plan, It's efficient for making money, it's just not as good for the consumer as it should be. You have to understand that the community as a whole is much better at making things than individual companies. When things are open, and we're allowed to work with them, we end up with a much better product for the consumer. The problem with this, is that it makes less money. |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 21.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by ekwipt
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| Rolanda Clodfelder 22.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
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| Nedra Fresneda 22.06.2012 | ^Lemur/TouchOSC |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 21.06.2012 | > 2. Hardware which includes Wireless network capabilities What for exactly? |
| Rolanda Clodfelder 21.06.2012 | I'd like to see them do some kind of combo tablet/hardware/software combo rather than just a makeover of something that already works pretty well. 1. A Tablet Traktor featuring DVS & F1 Style Clip launch (multiplatform preferably). 2. Hardware which includes Wireless network capabilities 3. The Hardware itself would have DVS inputs / Dual outputs 4. The software during a gig will have the sole functions of (a) being the brain (b) track/clip selection on screen - everything should be hardware mapped to the controller. I would not mind in the least if this was just a 2 deck controller without jogs but an F1 style grid/faders DVS would be implemented for additional deck controls anyhow in a club scenario. Also some kind of takeover mode on the wireless to allow DJ's to switch tablets seamlessly during a gig. I have no idea if there is enough bandwidth to allow for simultaneous up/down stream over wireless to make it happen - I just like the idea of being able to browse tracks with unit in hand flicking though tracks rather than in a set housing that I'm staring into. I know, I know, not gonna happen anytime soon |
| Natalia Bucko 21.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by attila
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
This. contrary to what apple, NI, and other companies with this business model want you to believe, you can have out of the box "plug and play" support, without being built by the same companythat made the software. There's no reason why any company's hardware can't do all of the same things as NI's, except NI won't let them. |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 21.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by Patch
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21.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by kooper1980
No one should ever complain about anything because that's just the way it is? The internet would just shut down over evening . Also I'd guess that the vast majority of NI's userbase does not use NI kit. Only a guess of course. |
| Ricki Markman 21.06.2012 | If you want a bunch of crazy effect combinations and customization, why dont you use ableton instead? You're arguing about a problem that already has a solution. |
| Natalia Bucko 21.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by kooper1980
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| Kristofer Krauel 21.06.2012 | Yeah but there is other software available for you to practice your "art". Again this is a minority believeing its voice is louder than it actually is. NI dont make Traktor in order to service the creative desires of a few Internet geeks. They make it so that the louder majority have the ways and means of an efficient dj software and to turn a profit. Shout loud enough and often enough and companies listen to the consumer. The fact that NI hasn't answered your calls is because there just aren't enough of you shouting. What makes people believe they have the right to free open software? Options are available... Just not with NI. You need to look elsewhere. listen I'm all for creativity. I just personally believe its insane to expect companies to Cater for every customer. Financially that's never going to be possible and NI have to protect their own best interests. I've had this conversation with friends and I just don't believe I'll ever get it. If I had even an ounce of creativity I'd probably believe the same as you but I don't. It all just comes across to me like spoilt little children crying because they aren't getting their own way and realising that in the real grown up world you don't always get what you want. |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 21.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by faderswagger
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| Natalia Bucko 21.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by kooper1980
What you described in both of your posts is the fundamental difference in the classic pc vs mac, open source vs closed source, android vs iphone etc... You don't see through NI's bullshit, because you're the personality type to just take things for surface value. If it works, it's fine. Take things out of a box, and do something. It's the difference between a replicator and a creative. You see something and want to do it like that, we see something and want to do our own better version of it. nothing is inherently *better* about either, but you have to understand that the people looking deeper into this that you are also know what they're talking about more than you do. Yes, NI is accomplishing the goal of making something easy to use for the DJs who just want to pull something out of a box and use it... But they could easily be making a good product for both personality types, rather than just yours. So easily, that they're actually going out of their way to prevent creatives from having full control over their software, because they know that if they let us, then somebody out there will make hardware for it better than theirs, and they won't sell as many controllers. it's the same as apple's business plan, It's efficient for making money, it's just not as good for the consumer as it should be. You have to understand that the community as a whole is much better at making things than individual companies. When things are open, and we're allowed to work with them, we end up with a much better product for the consumer. The problem with this, is that it makes less money. |
| Kristofer Krauel 21.06.2012 | Yeah but realistically how much progression has mixing actually gone through in the past 20 years. 99% of dance music DJ's still mix one record into another for a couple of hours, add a touch of filter or delay here and there and jesus pose like a mad man. Very few DJ's need to get any more creative than that. |
| Brunilda Kora 21.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by kooper1980
Proprietary hardware will make it even easier. Take it out of teh box on Christmas Day, have your first mix made by new years Eve. Not much scope for progression, though. You'll be creatively stifled by Easter. |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 21.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by ekwipt
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| Kristofer Krauel 21.06.2012 | Im sick of all this bullshit about NI. They have a business plan that looks like they want their own controllers to have ultimate control over their own software! Whats so wrong with this? There are plenty of other DJ programs out there that allow all the personalisation you could ask for. Why don't we abandon Traktor for the others??... because Traktor is so fucking good thats why! Don't be fooled into believeing that just because plenty of people on this community want customisation that this is the norm. Away from this community the majority of digital DJ's just want something that is reliable and works straight out of the box. If NI release a new feature in Traktor and you want to use that feature then you go out and buy the hardware to control it. Its a very simple philosophy to understand. As for a response to the OP i don't see why NI need to release another all in one controller just yet. The S4 has been out for a little over 18 months and the s2 12 months. They've just released the F1. These all work perfectly with the current release of their software. no need to release anything else just yet. |
| Rochel Gleese 21.06.2012 | Can't see why they don't do their own DJ mixer, fully digital comes with TP2 |
| Nedra Fresneda 20.06.2012 | Maschine is almost 4 years old, still hasn't been updated. Same with the X1 but with 3 years. Sure, they are not perfect, but they do the job just fine. The only reason they discontinued their previous line of soundcards was to add and extra I/O pair to take advantage of the new functions in Traktor without loosing functionality (you can't use timecode if you aggregate devices). This doesn't apply to the S2/4 because you can just get a F1 and put it on the side or map it to any controller in the future. IMO, there is no need for them to release a new version of their controllers. +1 on the no Win vs OS X discussions, it's an endless discussion. |
| Yong Aptekar 20.06.2012 | Fader, chill. Nikefootball, no need for a windows vs mac debate. There are LOTs of guys here that use windows, myself included, and in the last year and a half with my current pc, no significant issues with running traktor. NONE. |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 20.06.2012 | I have never had a software crash that wasn't caused by a bad plugin, and I've never used a bad plugin in front of a crowd. And I've never ever blue screened from the OS crashing. Windows has always been a pig with background services but it still runs dj software fine when you disable the things you don't need. |
| Alena Horten 20.06.2012 | Lets be real..You really want to use a windows based system to DJ with? There is a reason why Macs are the way to go with DDjing. Because of their reliability. Something Windows has never had. |
| Ricki Markman 20.06.2012 | Yeah man I'm seriously giddy like a little girl for this right now haha And there's a press release floating around for Ableton 9 that says it'll be Windows 8 ready, so everything's just coming together magically Just have to see what NI does with their software... |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 20.06.2012 | re-he-he-healy I'm sold! after it's been out for a month with no problems, I use an atom windows/android tab for web browsing which needs to be replaced anyway. /offtopic |
| Ricki Markman 20.06.2012 | That Windows Store exclusivity thing is for the RT version only that runs on the RT OS (basically an updated WP7 OS). The Pro version is just a regular Windows 8 desktop OS (although rt is also available so you can switch for convenience) that you can load any software onto. |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 20.06.2012 | @attila read the fine print on the press release |
| Ricki Markman 20.06.2012 | It'll support any Windows program |
| Natalia Bucko 20.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by attila
Problem is that there's no knowing yet if surface will even support Traktor/VDJ/serato, I would honestly doubt it, especially for the first year or so. |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 20.06.2012 | yeah I hate touch controllers too, but being touch means you don't need to use a physical keyboard to search for tracks as you could use the onscreen one. |
| Ricki Markman 20.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by faderswagger
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| Natalia Bucko 20.06.2012 | I didn't mean to go off, I just feel obligated to give the other side of the story on traktor... We're on a community
full of traktor fanboys who won't listen to a bad word about NI, so i always try to keep people from forgetting how shitty NI is. I still use it myself, but i can't wait for a platform to come along that lets me do what i do without having to put up with NI's bullshit.
Originally Posted by synthet1c
Although I'm really hoping touch screens don't further catch on... At least until a few years down the line when we develop physically dynamic screens. I really hate touch controllers. |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 20.06.2012 | I'm believeing maybe an xy pad will come next, seems like that's the only piece of current technology they're missing... although believeing about what's needed it would be mad to make a touchscreen vga/dvi monitor with the dimensions of 21" 32:4.5 that's a 16:9 monitor cut in half height wise but double the length... then you could place it directly in front of your controller and use a mac mini or similar to display all the information you need, bye bye laptop wall... someone needs to make this! |
| Buena Roth 20.06.2012 | Dang didn't realize any of that, I just hadn't heard anything bad from the people I know with the s4. Sorry for the misinformation caide. |
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