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New Behringer NOX Mixers Posted on: 26.09.2012 by Erich Vallabhaneni I know Behringer doesn't have the best quality products, but with the new CMD line I decided to give their products a look and found something interesting. Has anyone had their hands on any of the NOX Mixers? The NOX 606 looks like a pretty damn good mixer for the $399 price point. 6 channel, contact free crossfader, voltage controller filters, built in LFO's, and XENYX pre amps. What do you guys believe?
Isa Erik 04.10.2012	Originally Posted by Patch You know something. Don't you. We should kidnapp him & waterboard him till he spills it all out
Jonah Mozeleski 03.10.2012	Originally Posted by nem0nic The biggest difference between the two is that the Xone92 is an analog mixer and the DDM4000 is a digital mixer. In a digital mixer, all audio handling is typically done via DSP (on a chip) instead of analog circuitry. This means that digital mixers are usually less mechanically complex than their analog counterparts. And because they require less power, the PSU is usually lighter as well. Functionally, there is a HUGE difference between the 2 as well. The DDM4000 is capable of a ton of audio processing. This not only manifests itself in the obvious - things like effects - but also in the capability to do things like alter the EQ frequency and Q for a given band. It also sends MIDI for most of the available controls. So, the conclussion is: Using the DDM4000 I have more features, it's easier to get the pieces to repair it, and it will offer me also a controller, right? The only thing I don't like of it right now, is the headphone input, I preffer when it's near the base of the mixer, but I'll give it a try for sure! Thanks for your help! w It's funny, we ended talking about DDM4000 instead of the Nox misers lol o.O
Jonah Mozeleski 03.10.2012	Originally Posted by nem0nic That DJX700/750 DJ mixer that was mentioned before - it's the best selling DJ mixer EVER MADE (there are just under half a million of them out in the world now). It that was for me, well, I wish that the other people who bought it had better luck, because I had really bad luck, I'm not saying it's the worst mark ever, but well, I'm not a happy custommer, that's all I used to use on the disco I was resident on Spain a Xone92, so that's why I bought it, because I really liked it. And this happened to me even when I was really happy when I bought the Xone22, and the power supply was really bad and it just break after some months, it's not only a problem from Behringer, a lot of other marks have the problem too. As dessigner, can you please, explain me the internal differences between a Xone92 and a DDM4000? Thank you
Nancey Inderlied 03.10.2012	Originally Posted by nem0nic First of all, best run on sentence in a DJ community ever. Even longer than the preamble to the US Constitution. Kudos. Second, your statement is ridiculous. You're pushing 2 ideas here... (1) Only "professionals" buy M.I. gear and (2) No professionals use Behringer gear. Both of these assumptions are incorrect. First, the BIGGEST growth market for M.I is the beginner market. For every person out there that needs an EAW sound system, there are a thousand that need a couple B215Ds on stands. It doesn't make a lot of sense for that guy to go out and blow a few grand on what is essentially a hobby. And here's another fun fact. The difference between low and high priced gear is not what it used to be. Second, LOTS OF PROFESSIONALS USE BEHRINGER GEAR. You go to any backline provider and you'll see Behringer in LOTS of those racks. In the DJ world, off the top of my head I know that Daft Punk and Tim Exile both use Behringer MIDI controllers to play out. I could probably find more if I spent a little time Googling it. A hair over 40% of the mixers sold have the Behringer brand on them. That DJX700/750 DJ mixer that was mentioned before - it's the best selling DJ mixer EVER MADE (there are just under half a million of them out in the world now). Behringer has over 500 products, and has been in business for 25 years. They not only own their own factory, they're currently building a new (bigger) one. The new X32 mixer has been nominated for a TEC award. Say what you will, it looks like they must be doing something right. All you've proven is that people BUY Behringer gear, and I guess that's kind of your paid profession to do so. It's really curious that you use sales metrics as an indication of the quality of products sold. You're using the massively fallacious assumption that "people are patronizing it, so it must be pretty awesome." By that logic, Walmart must hold boutique quality by pure sales metrics, but you discount the position of market position. People buy your gear for the express reason that it's cheap and feature loaded, because consumers rarely look past a spec sheet and checkout total, this is in no way an indication of the quality of the gear sold. Its rather interesting you bring up the X32 as a professional grade product, considering it's a budget-consious Chinese knockoff of the GLD, with a "good enough for the price" sticker firmly placed on the front of the marketing. Im sure Allen and Heath are just quaking in their shoes... I realize it's your paid profession to reinforce your company's marketing, so I don't expect a response that doesn't echo corporate promotion.
Rosita Bourdeaux 02.10.2012	Originally Posted by Shishdisma See, the problem with that statement is that those "snobs" happen to be professionals Trust me if you knew who I was referring to I'm sure you would feel very different about what I just said. These "snobs" I am talking about are by no means professionals.... or at least in most cases. Top of the line gear is always going to be preferred by most but my argument here is against people who take low priced gear at face value and blast the boards with opinions about gear they have never touched because "so and so" says they are garbage. Honestly there is allot of junk out there (in all price points) but I personally never take someone else's opinion about studio gear to heart. Yes it can guide you in the right direction but in the past I've missed out on and been let down by allot of gear . See the thing about audio is it can be so subjective and dynamic that something that works for some can let down others despite the price or reputation. But I'm no expert and I accept that. In the end all I have are my opinions and my keyboard Now build quality on the other hand............
Nancey Inderlied 02.10.2012	Originally Posted by BlackJesus It's funny because this same conversation is constantly going on over at the guitar community s about behinger's efx pedals. Too many snobs on the internet corrupting the opinions of the young and innocent if you ask me I've used their efx pedals and despite what most say on the community s I really enjoyed them. They are a cheap and very good alternative (this coming from a guy who has spent waaaaaaay more on pedals than he should) I've used the expensive "handmade boutique" gear and the crappy run of mill stuff and in the end I use them both. Anyways to end my rant I'd like to warn you all that no matter what gear you're researching (be it Dj, guitar, etc.) there are going to be snobs around every corner and their opinions are not worth 2 shits. Although the only thing worse than the snobs are the people who read their posts and magically form opinions on gear they have never had first hand experience with. Disclaimer: This post was not directed to nor referencing anyone on these boards. See, the problem with that statement is that those "snobs" happen to be professionals, who have a bar expectation of quality. Look at every single professional audio company, Rane, JBL, QSC, Pioneer, A&H, SSL, F1, the list goes on: not one single one of those companies markets themselves or sells products based on a spec sheet relative to a low cost. This is because those "snobs," or rather professionals, have never purchased a product based on "all the things it can do," but rather, "how well does it do what it does, and how reliable is it?" The professional audio world doesn't care about a crammed feature list, they care about the quality of the features offered, because a crammed list is absolutely worthless if the features delivered don't actually deliver, at any price point. This has been Behringer's failing in the professional market for a very long time, they always play the features over price model, this isn't an inherent failure in the consumer market, because consumers only care about lots of shineys; but to high end markets, the features over price sales model falls on deaf ears, while the bargain-bin build and skimped out quality end up being break points.
Isa Erik 04.10.2012	Originally Posted by Patch You know something. Don't you. We should kidnapp him & waterboard him till he spills it all out
Brunilda Kora 04.10.2012	Originally Posted by nem0nic" I would love to follow up on the DDM4000. We'll see how that plays out You know something. Don't you.
Diogo Dj Dragão 04.10.2012	I would love to follow up on the DDM4000. We'll see how that plays out
Brunilda Kora 04.10.2012	@ nem0nic ... any chance we'll see an update to the DDM4K anytime in the near future which will include USB rather than a midi port (and possibly a sound card ) ? I sure hope so. While we're throwing our requests - how about independant OUTPUTS for each channel? Post-fader, post-FX and post-crossfader, please. (I won't hold my breath...)
Rolanda Clodfelder 03.10.2012	That DJX700/750 DJ mixer that was mentioned before - it's the best selling DJ mixer EVER MADE (there are just under half a million of them out in the world now). And its generally only people who have problems who post on internet community s, rarely people who have them running in bedrooms and mobile setups round the world for years on end. @ nem0nic ... any chance we'll see an update to the DDM4K anytime in the near future which will include USB rather than a midi port (and possibly a sound card ) ?
Jonah Mozeleski 03.10.2012	Originally Posted by nem0nic The biggest difference between the two is that the Xone92 is an analog mixer and the DDM4000 is a digital mixer. In a digital mixer, all audio handling is typically done via DSP (on a chip) instead of analog circuitry. This means that digital mixers are usually less mechanically complex than their analog counterparts. And because they require less power, the PSU is usually lighter as well. Functionally, there is a HUGE difference between the 2 as well. The DDM4000 is capable of a ton of audio processing. This not only manifests itself in the obvious - things like effects - but also in the capability to do things like alter the EQ frequency and Q for a given band. It also sends MIDI for most of the available controls. So, the conclussion is: Using the DDM4000 I have more features, it's easier to get the pieces to repair it, and it will offer me also a controller, right? The only thing I don't like of it right now, is the headphone input, I preffer when it's near the base of the mixer, but I'll give it a try for sure! Thanks for your help! w It's funny, we ended talking about DDM4000 instead of the Nox misers lol o.O
Diogo Dj Dragão 03.10.2012	As dessigner, can you please, explain me the internal differences between a Xone92 and a DDM4000? The biggest difference between the two is that the Xone92 is an analog mixer and the DDM4000 is a digital mixer. In a digital mixer, all audio handling is typically done via DSP (on a chip) instead of analog circuitry. This means that digital mixers are usually less mechanically complex than their analog counterparts. And because they require less power, the PSU is usually lighter as well. Functionally, there is a HUGE difference between the 2 as well. The DDM4000 is capable of a ton of audio processing. This not only manifests itself in the obvious - things like effects - but also in the capability to do things like alter the EQ frequency and Q for a given band. It also sends MIDI for most of the available controls.
Jonah Mozeleski 03.10.2012	Originally Posted by nem0nic That DJX700/750 DJ mixer that was mentioned before - it's the best selling DJ mixer EVER MADE (there are just under half a million of them out in the world now). It that was for me, well, I wish that the other people who bought it had better luck, because I had really bad luck, I'm not saying it's the worst mark ever, but well, I'm not a happy custommer, that's all I used to use on the disco I was resident on Spain a Xone92, so that's why I bought it, because I really liked it. And this happened to me even when I was really happy when I bought the Xone22, and the power supply was really bad and it just break after some months, it's not only a problem from Behringer, a lot of other marks have the problem too. As dessigner, can you please, explain me the internal differences between a Xone92 and a DDM4000? Thank you
Diogo Dj Dragão 03.10.2012	You're using the massively fallacious assumption that "people are patronizing it, so it must be pretty awesome." By that logic, Walmart must hold boutique quality by pure sales metrics, but you discount the position of market position This isn't quite right. I never said anything about boutique quality. My point here is that there is a place for all kinds of product. This holds true in all product categories. You imply that nothing is worth buying unless it's high end gear, and obviously that isn't true. And to that end, I can use sales metrics as a guide. If there wasn't a market for Behringer gear, no one would be buying it. This isn't corporate promotion - it's just simple logic. It's great to be Rolls Royce, but there's also room for Toyota. And when it comes to accomplishing the task the product was built for, I don't believe most people find that the price of a Rolls is worth the difference in performance between it and the Toyota. I realize it's your paid profession to reinforce your company's marketing, so I don't expect a response that doesn't echo corporate promotion. My paid profession is to design products. That's it. Before that I was a professional audio engineer (15 years) and DJ (25 years). I understand that you're using that experience as a pejorative, but what exactly is your experience and qualifications? I've proven through years of helping the online DJ community that I might have something to bring to the table, and I've put that experience into products you can walk into a store right now and buy. I understand it's a convenient crutch to try and shut me down in this way just because I politely disagree with you. But if you're going to go down this path, I believe it's fair to know what experience YOU bring to this conversation.
Nancey Inderlied 03.10.2012	Originally Posted by nem0nic First of all, best run on sentence in a DJ community ever. Even longer than the preamble to the US Constitution. Kudos. Second, your statement is ridiculous. You're pushing 2 ideas here... (1) Only "professionals" buy M.I. gear and (2) No professionals use Behringer gear. Both of these assumptions are incorrect. First, the BIGGEST growth market for M.I is the beginner market. For every person out there that needs an EAW sound system, there are a thousand that need a couple B215Ds on stands. It doesn't make a lot of sense for that guy to go out and blow a few grand on what is essentially a hobby. And here's another fun fact. The difference between low and high priced gear is not what it used to be. Second, LOTS OF PROFESSIONALS USE BEHRINGER GEAR. You go to any backline provider and you'll see Behringer in LOTS of those racks. In the DJ world, off the top of my head I know that Daft Punk and Tim Exile both use Behringer MIDI controllers to play out. I could probably find more if I spent a little time Googling it. A hair over 40% of the mixers sold have the Behringer brand on them. That DJX700/750 DJ mixer that was mentioned before - it's the best selling DJ mixer EVER MADE (there are just under half a million of them out in the world now). Behringer has over 500 products, and has been in business for 25 years. They not only own their own factory, they're currently building a new (bigger) one. The new X32 mixer has been nominated for a TEC award. Say what you will, it looks like they must be doing something right. All you've proven is that people BUY Behringer gear, and I guess that's kind of your paid profession to do so. It's really curious that you use sales metrics as an indication of the quality of products sold. You're using the massively fallacious assumption that "people are patronizing it, so it must be pretty awesome." By that logic, Walmart must hold boutique quality by pure sales metrics, but you discount the position of market position. People buy your gear for the express reason that it's cheap and feature loaded, because consumers rarely look past a spec sheet and checkout total, this is in no way an indication of the quality of the gear sold. Its rather interesting you bring up the X32 as a professional grade product, considering it's a budget-consious Chinese knockoff of the GLD, with a "good enough for the price" sticker firmly placed on the front of the marketing. Im sure Allen and Heath are just quaking in their shoes... I realize it's your paid profession to reinforce your company's marketing, so I don't expect a response that doesn't echo corporate promotion.
Diogo Dj Dragão 03.10.2012	This has been Behringer's failing in the professional market for a very long time, they always play the features over price model, this isn't an inherent failure in the consumer market, because consumers only care about lots of shineys; but to high end markets, the features over price sales model falls on deaf ears, while the bargain-bin build and skimped out quality end up being break points. First of all, best run on sentence in a DJ community ever. Even longer than the preamble to the US Constitution. Kudos. Second, your statement is ridiculous. You're pushing 2 ideas here... (1) Only "professionals" buy M.I. gear and (2) No professionals use Behringer gear. Both of these assumptions are incorrect. First, the BIGGEST growth market for M.I is the beginner market. For every person out there that needs an EAW sound system, there are a thousand that need a couple B215Ds on stands. It doesn't make a lot of sense for that guy to go out and blow a few grand on what is essentially a hobby. And here's another fun fact. The difference between low and high priced gear is not what it used to be. Second, LOTS OF PROFESSIONALS USE BEHRINGER GEAR. You go to any backline provider and you'll see Behringer in LOTS of those racks. In the DJ world, off the top of my head I know that Daft Punk and Tim Exile both use Behringer MIDI controllers to play out. I could probably find more if I spent a little time Googling it. A hair over 40% of the mixers sold have the Behringer brand on them. That DJX700/750 DJ mixer that was mentioned before - it's the best selling DJ mixer EVER MADE (there are just under half a million of them out in the world now). Behringer has over 500 products, and has been in business for 25 years. They not only own their own factory, they're currently building a new (bigger) one. The new X32 mixer has been nominated for a TEC award. Say what you will, it looks like they must be doing something right.
Rosita Bourdeaux 02.10.2012	Originally Posted by Shishdisma See, the problem with that statement is that those "snobs" happen to be professionals Trust me if you knew who I was referring to I'm sure you would feel very different about what I just said. These "snobs" I am talking about are by no means professionals.... or at least in most cases. Top of the line gear is always going to be preferred by most but my argument here is against people who take low priced gear at face value and blast the boards with opinions about gear they have never touched because "so and so" says they are garbage. Honestly there is allot of junk out there (in all price points) but I personally never take someone else's opinion about studio gear to heart. Yes it can guide you in the right direction but in the past I've missed out on and been let down by allot of gear . See the thing about audio is it can be so subjective and dynamic that something that works for some can let down others despite the price or reputation. But I'm no expert and I accept that. In the end all I have are my opinions and my keyboard Now build quality on the other hand............
Nancey Inderlied 02.10.2012	Originally Posted by BlackJesus It's funny because this same conversation is constantly going on over at the guitar community s about behinger's efx pedals. Too many snobs on the internet corrupting the opinions of the young and innocent if you ask me I've used their efx pedals and despite what most say on the community s I really enjoyed them. They are a cheap and very good alternative (this coming from a guy who has spent waaaaaaay more on pedals than he should) I've used the expensive "handmade boutique" gear and the crappy run of mill stuff and in the end I use them both. Anyways to end my rant I'd like to warn you all that no matter what gear you're researching (be it Dj, guitar, etc.) there are going to be snobs around every corner and their opinions are not worth 2 shits. Although the only thing worse than the snobs are the people who read their posts and magically form opinions on gear they have never had first hand experience with. Disclaimer: This post was not directed to nor referencing anyone on these boards. See, the problem with that statement is that those "snobs" happen to be professionals, who have a bar expectation of quality. Look at every single professional audio company, Rane, JBL, QSC, Pioneer, A&H, SSL, F1, the list goes on: not one single one of those companies markets themselves or sells products based on a spec sheet relative to a low cost. This is because those "snobs," or rather professionals, have never purchased a product based on "all the things it can do," but rather, "how well does it do what it does, and how reliable is it?" The professional audio world doesn't care about a crammed feature list, they care about the quality of the features offered, because a crammed list is absolutely worthless if the features delivered don't actually deliver, at any price point. This has been Behringer's failing in the professional market for a very long time, they always play the features over price model, this isn't an inherent failure in the consumer market, because consumers only care about lots of shineys; but to high end markets, the features over price sales model falls on deaf ears, while the bargain-bin build and skimped out quality end up being break points.
Rosita Bourdeaux 02.10.2012	It's funny because this same conversation is constantly going on over at the guitar community s about behinger's efx pedals. Too many snobs on the internet corrupting the opinions of the young and innocent if you ask me I've used their efx pedals and despite what most say on the community s I really enjoyed them. They are a cheap and very good alternative (this coming from a guy who has spent waaaaaaay more on pedals than he should) I've used the expensive "handmade boutique" gear and the crappy run of mill stuff and in the end I use them both. Anyways to end my rant I'd like to warn you all that no matter what gear you're researching (be it Dj, guitar, etc.) there are going to be snobs around every corner and their opinions are not worth 2 shits. Although the only thing worse than the snobs are the people who read their posts and magically form opinions on gear they have never had first hand experience with. Disclaimer: This post was not directed to nor referencing anyone on these boards.
Jonah Mozeleski 02.10.2012	As you said on this post, and on the other post, it must be awesome o.O Is it better than a Xone 92?, if it's maybe I'll get one ^^
Brunilda Kora 02.10.2012	No sweat! Re: the DDM4K - like I said - for the money, you get 2 FX units (assignable to any channel, or in series) a great audio mixer, a sampler, and midi control/midi clock. I've had mine a couple of years, and if it broke tomorrow, I'd buy a new one in a heartbeat.
Jonah Mozeleski 02.10.2012	Originally Posted by Patch Some people seem HAPPY that they've had Behringer gear fail? It just backs up what they've read on the interweb, and it means they have something in common with the snobs that bash Behringer gear. If Behringer was as bad as it's (internet) reputation, they would have gone out of business A LONG TIME AGO. They are investing MASSIVE amounts of money on product development. They're one of my favourite companies - they LISTEN. Always have done. That's why they've been about for so long. The NOX/DDM/CMD product lines are proof that they're listening to us. I've said it before - I fucking LOVE my DDM4000. What Behringer cram in for the money is just absurd. I'm certain that Behringer could EASILY shut up all the bashers by upping the cost a little, and putting heavier/rubberised (Pioneer'ish..?) fader caps and knobs on it - but Behringer's philosophy (read up on it if you haven't already) prevents them from increasing the street price of the unit to do this. Behringer gets 2 thumbs up from me - for putting high end technology in reasonably priced gear . Putting that technology in the reach of most people. I didn't want to be rude or something, I just gave my opinion How's DDM4000 in your opinion? If it's good, it seems really usefull, and fully customizable using it as a Midi controller
Brunilda Kora 02.10.2012	Some people seem HAPPY that they've had Behringer gear fail? It just backs up what they've read on the interweb, and it means they have something in common with the snobs that bash Behringer gear. If Behringer was as bad as it's (internet) reputation, they would have gone out of business A LONG TIME AGO. They are investing MASSIVE amounts of money on product development. They're one of my favourite companies - they LISTEN. Always have done. That's why they've been about for so long. The NOX/DDM/CMD product lines are proof that they're listening to us. I've said it before - I fucking LOVE my DDM4000. What Behringer cram in for the money is just absurd. I'm certain that Behringer could EASILY shut up all the bashers by upping the cost a little, and putting heavier/rubberised (Pioneer'ish..?) fader caps and knobs on it - but Behringer's philosophy (read up on it if you haven't already) prevents them from increasing the street price of the unit to do this. Behringer gets 2 thumbs up from me - for putting high end technology in reasonably priced gear . Putting that technology in the reach of most people.
Jonah Mozeleski 02.10.2012	I had a DJX700, and well... the effects were a joke, in 1 week, 1 channel was broken, so I used the guaranty to get another one, and 3 months later, I lost another channel, and the volume is just a joke, from 80% to 100% it just more than 2x the volume from 0% to 79%, also it had some noise on high volume, and it also just wasn't able to completely kill the sounds on the channels, so I'm just going to give my opinion, but for lower price, get a Numark M6, and at least, you'll get a decent mixer with 4 channels It's just my opinion, and of course, they'll make better mixers for sure today than 4-5 years ago, but I won't spend more money on any behringer product, just try to save some money, and get a Xone 42 or DJM500, it'll give you a really better sound quallity, and it will last a lot of years
Diogo Dj Dragão 02.10.2012	You're essentially saying that budget gear is designed for the scrap bin, as a temporary solution for a beginner, No, that's not what I said. Your incorrect assumption is that budget gear is designed for the scrap heap. This simply isn't the case. There are many reasons - none related to diminished quality - why Behringer is able to offer any given product for less than a competitor. A great example of this is the DDM4000. The DDM4K is a thousand dollar mixer that's sold for $400. And when you look at the components, you see that the same parts - from the dual Blackfin DSP to the Cirrus Logic converters - are used in much more expensive products. Look at mixers like the DJM-250, the Xone:22, and the Numark X5, all 3 are priced under $350, but manage to maintain a level of quality and usability consistent with professional products... And there is nothing wrong with those mixers if you're looking for a 2 channel. But what are my alternatives if I'm a beginner with $350 to spend and I want a 4 channel mixer? What if I only have $200 to spend? Or $100? What if as a beginner, I don't know if I want to be a scratch/turntablist type DJ or more of a mashup party-rocker DJ? Are you saying I have to burn $350 TWICE just so I can figure out what kind of a mixer is more my style? ...it's true there's a lot of borderline disposable products and cheap thrills, but that shouldn't really be the market norm. That's your opinion. And it's one not based on fact, but on conjecture. You're certainly entitled to it. But mixer sales figures don't support your opinion. If there wasn't a DEMAND for products at those price points, no one would be making them. But the demand is there, and Behringer is able to meet that demand more aggressively than anyone else. That's why Behringer has won the DJMag Tech Awards "Best DJ mixer under
Brunilda Kora 02.10.2012	Originally Posted by boarderbas My bet is the NOX owner. Mine too.
Evia Nitch 02.10.2012	...imagine a kid who bought a NOX, one who decided to save up for a decent quality piece of kit with similar features and one who bought a Xone:22. Have them incubate their skills for lets say, the Nox's factory warranty (3 years) after which they all buy a Xone:92. Who do you believe will rock harder? My bet is the NOX owner. That means it has purpose. Now kiss and make up!
Nancey Inderlied 02.10.2012	Originally Posted by nem0nic But that's assuming that the user WANTS a long term solution, and this isn't always the case. There is plenty of room for budget mixers, which is why every company that makes them gets most of their mixer sales from that category. ESPECIALLY at the beginner level, it makes sense to start out with a cheaper mixer, because it allows the user to sample different things until they figure out what kind of mixer they WANT to spend money on. If you've been DJing for any length of time, the odds are amazingly high that you're not using the first mixer you bought - regardless of quality. So the gear turnover is typically going to happen no matter how much you initially spent. I see what you're saying there, and you have a point, but I have to call you on it. You're essentially saying that budget gear is designed for the scrap bin, as a temporary solution for a beginner, and it doesn't actually have to be that way, and I feel that mindset is an issue in today's gear market. Yeah, a series of stopgaps stimulates the respective industries, but there's no reason a budget product should become the hardware equivalent to disposable shovelware. Look at mixers like the DJM-250, the Xone:22, and the Numark X5, all 3 are priced under $350, but manage to maintain a level of quality and usability consistent with professional products, and are usable well into the professional market. Why? Because they arent bogged down by endless featuresets and marketing materials, and instead focus on delivering an affordable, quality product. I feel that somewhat pokes a hole in your statement, despite it having merits; it's true there's a lot of borderline disposable products and cheap thrills, but that shouldn't really be the market norm.
Diogo Dj Dragão 01.10.2012	You're missing the point of durability = longevity. Invest in something solid and it will last you a long time, cheap out and you'll be continuously fixing and buying, that applies to every environment. Not to mention the relative quality points. But that's assuming that the user WANTS a long term solution, and this isn't always the case. There is plenty of room for budget mixers, which is why every company that makes them gets most of their mixer sales from that category. ESPECIALLY at the beginner level, it makes sense to start out with a cheaper mixer, because it allows the user to sample different things until they figure out what kind of mixer they WANT to spend money on. If you've been DJing for any length of time, the odds are amazingly high that you're not using the first mixer you bought - regardless of quality. So the gear turnover is typically going to happen no matter how much you initially spent.
Nancey Inderlied 01.10.2012	Originally Posted by Geek All You guys talk like it's a question of life and death and/or You're always taking Your mixer through rough roads. What are You doing with Your gear ? Playing football? I'm pretty sure NOX is a money-worth mixer for, let's say, a bedroom-dj. No smoke (well, THAT much anyway) there. You're missing the point of durability = longevity. Invest in something solid and it will last you a long time, cheap out and you'll be continuously fixing and buying, that applies to every environment. Not to mention the relative quality points.
Syreeta Stockam 02.10.2012	All You guys talk like it's a question of life and death and/or You're always taking Your mixer through rough roads. What are You doing with Your gear ? Playing football? I'm pretty sure NOX is a money-worth mixer for, let's say, a bedroom-dj. No smoke (well, THAT much anyway) there.
Erich Vallabhaneni 01.10.2012	I'm using an old Denon DN-X300 right now so I believe the 606 would be a decent upgrade for me, especially at the price
Johnetta Olewine 27.09.2012	So the infimium fader on your NOX606 crapped out did it? What became of your 606 if you don't mind me asking?
Nancey Inderlied 27.09.2012	Apparently I am, since Im the only person who understands how optical faders work! Except for the part where I actually had firsthand experience with the product, as stated before.
Johnetta Olewine 27.09.2012	Originally Posted by Shishdisma Evidence? Am I the only one that's actually familiar with fader technology? Or is this somehow new? Cheap optical faders have been legendary for crapping out in shitty conditions, thats the underlying reason why Rane created their magnetic faders. Look at Pioneer's optical from the 909, which held up reasonably well, and look at the Infinium. Theres a bit of an indicator there. Whatre you talking about? Theyre two Chinese mixers from the exact same line and the same company, what radical design modifications would Behringer make in a $200 mixer vs a $300 one? You don't seem to understand the idea of production efficiency. Yes, you are the only person on this community that is familiar with fader technology and production efficiency. Do you have an actual case where the Behringer infinium has failed, cos I don't see anyhting in your post about that. Just generalisations. Your posts are full of assumption written as fact, when have had no actual experience with the specific products in question. Aaaanyway. To the other folks in this thread, my ACTUAL experience with the NOX303 indicates that Behringer has stepped up in terms of QC and build quality. Granted it was a pretty low base and only time will tell. But, the 3 year factory warranty on my NOX gives some confidence.
Nancey Inderlied 27.09.2012	Evidence? Am I the only one that's actually familiar with fader technology? Or is this somehow new? Cheap optical faders have been legendary for crapping out in shitty conditions, thats the underlying reason why Rane created their magnetic faders. Look at Pioneer's optical from the 909, which held up reasonably well, and look at the Infinium. Theres a bit of an indicator there. Whatre you talking about? Theyre two Chinese mixers from the exact same line and the same company, what radical design modifications would Behringer make in a $200 mixer vs a $300 one? You don't seem to understand the idea of production efficiency.
Johnetta Olewine 27.09.2012	Evidence re smoke machine or sunlight? Or just talking out your ass... You know what they say about assumption...
Nancey Inderlied 27.09.2012	Originally Posted by oliosky The infinium fader on the NOX has much better scratch performance than the stock fader on the budget DJMs. Fact. $100 premium on a $250 mixer is not a premium, its a different price point. Have you actually used NOX404/303 or are you just running off your experience with the 606? Fact? Its a Chinese optical fader, put it next to a smoke machine or in sunlight, and you dont have a fader anymore. The 250 has the same crossfader as all of the DJMs, which do quite nicely. Thats debatable, seeing as the next available option is $750. Theyre the exact same thing, only with different feature sets and layouts. Why would they be any different?
Johnetta Olewine 27.09.2012	The infinium fader on the NOX has much better scratch performance than the stock fader on the budget DJMs. Fact. $100 premium on a $250 mixer is not a premium, its a different price point. Have you actually used NOX404/303 or are you just running off your experience with the 606?

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