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Live play back with F1 vs Maschine.
Posted on: 30.04.2013 by Lillia Datson
I need some opinions here concerning aforementioned kit in the thread title.

I've started to use maschine for creating loops/one shots and playing them back live on an input through on my S4.

Now, i love the fact that with Maschine you can tap out a beat and stuff as it comes into your head. Using it live in conjunction with traktor however i find it to be quite 'clunky' switching between the two. Having Maschine and traktor running and switching between the two on the same screen can be pretty awkward sometimes.

Is there an optimal set up that allows the Maschine to be used live (i was believeing an Ipad as a secondary screen to view maschine whilst using traktor with the mac) that im missing?

OR

Is an F1 possibly a better option that would obviously allow me to playback loops and material i've arranged beforehand with the Maschine. Iv'e tried using my MF3D to some effect, but found it's use quite limited with the volume faders for cutting bits out and the like.


Reason being, i'd really like to add a bit more of a live edge to my mixes, and dont want to drop a couple of hundred pounds on an F1, if i can achieve an equal result with maschine, all things considered.
Delena Katherman
04.05.2013
Originally Posted by botstein

I assume you mean that you play Maschine live. If you have some sort of live sampling / microphone situation with a drum set I want to hear more about that.



Does this have to do with your style/habits of mixing or performing? Are you tracks rushing and dragging or something?
Sorry, I wasn't clear. I play Maschine live as I mix live with my S4. I have to frequently press the MIDI SYNC button in Traktor to keep things lined up (I often use the Note Repeat feature on Machine, so I need it to be synced). Loading a new project in Maschine during a set requires a press of the sync button, even if nothing else has changed. Also, even a small tempo change from one track to the next will usually necessitate a press. Sometimes, the Note Repeat will be off no matter how many times I press the Midi Sync. I will then have to turn off external Midi Sync in the Maschine software, than turn it back on again to get it to possibly work. That said, I can work around all this MOST of the time, and sometimes I will CUE the Maschine audio input to my headphones to make sure it's synced up before I let it go live. My understanding is that the Midi Sync issues with Maschine and Traktor are widespread and well known.
Ervin Calvery
02.05.2013
Originally Posted by DubluW
Botstein! Good advice on messing around with the sequencer! Iv'e just discovered the ability to change the key of each pad in the sequencer. Basslines just got seriously bumpy!
You are so welcome.
Ervin Calvery
01.05.2013
Originally Posted by jdownesbaird
Do you have issues with midi sync when using Maschine's sequencer?
No, not really. I host Maschine instances in Ableton. I watch out when halving/doubling the tempo (148/74, etc) or when moving the tempo master with the pitch control on my 1200s, and I don't try to push and pull (the timecode record that might be) the tempo master too extremely in Scratch Pro if that is the origin of the 'signal path' (sync path?) from which the MIDI sync to Ableton is made.

Originally Posted by jdownesbaird
I use Maschine to add live drums and sounds,
I assume you mean that you play Maschine live. If you have some sort of live sampling / microphone situation with a drum set I want to hear more about that.

[QUOTE=jdownesbaird;613624...but never anything I've sequenced in Maschine because of the constant need to re-sync.[/QUOTE]

Does this have to do with your style/habits of mixing or performing? Are you tracks rushing and dragging or something?
Ervin Calvery
01.05.2013
Originally Posted by DubluW
Cheers for the feedback guys! Im still looking at the maschine software out of lack of experience, and possibly because what im wanting to do is requiring a peek now and again. And i suppose it's a safety net!
This is really honest. I'm sure that you can find a way to control everything you need without looking at the software.

Originally Posted by DubluW
I've had a crack with the sequencer and i really like it for constructing Kicks/hi-hats/snares whilst making loops and the like but not much to do with actual live playback. Something to tinker with!
It's fun. Long live Maschine!

Originally Posted by DubluW
I believe the F1 will be the next purchase as it seems to be the answer to my dilemma. The process from here will be to create loops/cut up tunes for samples etc in maschine in the 'studio' (Read-my desk!) and have the F1 as the playback feature in my setup, purely for its ease of use (that drag and drop feature is brilliant!) and its integration with traktor.
I'm sure you'll enjoy it. I like mine.

Originally Posted by DubluW
And as far as i can tell hellnagative, it can only be used so far as to control the top 4 rows of the decks, which is a bit of a kick in the teeth, as a mapping allowing it to control all aspects of the remix decks would of been great. But then i suppose it would put the F1 out of a job for all the Maschine users out there.
This is an okay unauthorized upgrade mod that works for me - http://jigaudio.webs.com/apps/websto...s/show/3497067
Delena Katherman
30.04.2013
Originally Posted by botstein
try using Maschine's sequencer and play live with it in any case.
Do you have issues with midi sync when using Maschine's sequencer? I use Maschine to add live drums and sounds, but never anything I've sequenced in Maschine because of the constant need to re-sync.
Lillia Datson
30.04.2013		I need some opinions here concerning aforementioned kit in the thread title.

I've started to use maschine for creating loops/one shots and playing them back live on an input through on my S4.

Now, i love the fact that with Maschine you can tap out a beat and stuff as it comes into your head. Using it live in conjunction with traktor however i find it to be quite 'clunky' switching between the two. Having Maschine and traktor running and switching between the two on the same screen can be pretty awkward sometimes.

Is there an optimal set up that allows the Maschine to be used live (i was believeing an Ipad as a secondary screen to view maschine whilst using traktor with the mac) that im missing?

OR

Is an F1 possibly a better option that would obviously allow me to playback loops and material i've arranged beforehand with the Maschine. Iv'e tried using my MF3D to some effect, but found it's use quite limited with the volume faders for cutting bits out and the like.


Reason being, i'd really like to add a bit more of a live edge to my mixes, and dont want to drop a couple of hundred pounds on an F1, if i can achieve an equal result with maschine, all things considered.
Delena Katherman
04.05.2013
Originally Posted by botstein

I assume you mean that you play Maschine live. If you have some sort of live sampling / microphone situation with a drum set I want to hear more about that.



Does this have to do with your style/habits of mixing or performing? Are you tracks rushing and dragging or something?
Sorry, I wasn't clear. I play Maschine live as I mix live with my S4. I have to frequently press the MIDI SYNC button in Traktor to keep things lined up (I often use the Note Repeat feature on Machine, so I need it to be synced). Loading a new project in Maschine during a set requires a press of the sync button, even if nothing else has changed. Also, even a small tempo change from one track to the next will usually necessitate a press. Sometimes, the Note Repeat will be off no matter how many times I press the Midi Sync. I will then have to turn off external Midi Sync in the Maschine software, than turn it back on again to get it to possibly work. That said, I can work around all this MOST of the time, and sometimes I will CUE the Maschine audio input to my headphones to make sure it's synced up before I let it go live. My understanding is that the Midi Sync issues with Maschine and Traktor are widespread and well known.
Ervin Calvery
02.05.2013
Originally Posted by DubluW
Botstein! Good advice on messing around with the sequencer! Iv'e just discovered the ability to change the key of each pad in the sequencer. Basslines just got seriously bumpy!
You are so welcome.
Lillia Datson
02.05.2013		Botstein! Good advice on messing around with the sequencer! Iv'e just discovered the ability to change the key of each pad in the sequencer. Basslines just got seriously bumpy!
Ervin Calvery
01.05.2013
Originally Posted by jdownesbaird
Do you have issues with midi sync when using Maschine's sequencer?
No, not really. I host Maschine instances in Ableton. I watch out when halving/doubling the tempo (148/74, etc) or when moving the tempo master with the pitch control on my 1200s, and I don't try to push and pull (the timecode record that might be) the tempo master too extremely in Scratch Pro if that is the origin of the 'signal path' (sync path?) from which the MIDI sync to Ableton is made.

Originally Posted by jdownesbaird
I use Maschine to add live drums and sounds,
I assume you mean that you play Maschine live. If you have some sort of live sampling / microphone situation with a drum set I want to hear more about that.

[QUOTE=jdownesbaird;613624...but never anything I've sequenced in Maschine because of the constant need to re-sync.[/QUOTE]

Does this have to do with your style/habits of mixing or performing? Are you tracks rushing and dragging or something?
Ervin Calvery
01.05.2013
Originally Posted by DubluW
Cheers for the feedback guys! Im still looking at the maschine software out of lack of experience, and possibly because what im wanting to do is requiring a peek now and again. And i suppose it's a safety net!
This is really honest. I'm sure that you can find a way to control everything you need without looking at the software.

Originally Posted by DubluW
I've had a crack with the sequencer and i really like it for constructing Kicks/hi-hats/snares whilst making loops and the like but not much to do with actual live playback. Something to tinker with!
It's fun. Long live Maschine!

Originally Posted by DubluW
I believe the F1 will be the next purchase as it seems to be the answer to my dilemma. The process from here will be to create loops/cut up tunes for samples etc in maschine in the 'studio' (Read-my desk!) and have the F1 as the playback feature in my setup, purely for its ease of use (that drag and drop feature is brilliant!) and its integration with traktor.
I'm sure you'll enjoy it. I like mine.

Originally Posted by DubluW
And as far as i can tell hellnagative, it can only be used so far as to control the top 4 rows of the decks, which is a bit of a kick in the teeth, as a mapping allowing it to control all aspects of the remix decks would of been great. But then i suppose it would put the F1 out of a job for all the Maschine users out there.
This is an okay unauthorized upgrade mod that works for me - http://jigaudio.webs.com/apps/websto...s/show/3497067
Lillia Datson
01.05.2013		Cheers for the feedback guys! Im still looking at the maschine software out of lack of experience, and possibly because what im wanting to do is requiring a peek now and again. And i suppose it's a safety net! I've had a crack with the sequencer and i really like it for constructing Kicks/hi-hats/snares whilst making loops and the like but not much to do with actual live playback. Something to tinker with!

I believe the F1 will be the next purchase as it seems to be the answer to my dilemma. The process from here will be to create loops/cut up tunes for samples etc in maschine in the 'studio' (Read-my desk!) and have the F1 as the playback feature in my setup, purely for its ease of use (that drag and drop feature is brilliant!) and its integration with traktor.

And as far as i can tell hellnagative, it can only be used so far as to control the top 4 rows of the decks, which is a bit of a kick in the teeth, as a mapping allowing it to control all aspects of the remix decks would of been great. But then i suppose it would put the F1 out of a job for all the Maschine users out there.
Emelina Chillson
01.05.2013		Can maschine control the remix decks?
Delena Katherman
30.04.2013
Originally Posted by botstein
try using Maschine's sequencer and play live with it in any case.
Do you have issues with midi sync when using Maschine's sequencer? I use Maschine to add live drums and sounds, but never anything I've sequenced in Maschine because of the constant need to re-sync.
Ervin Calvery
30.04.2013		I've got a number of F1s and of course Maschines as well. I can suggest a couple of considerations.

Why are you looking at the Maschine software? I've never found a reason to look at it while playing out - the hardware has got everything.

It's possible to play patterns on Maschine (press play) as opposed to finger drumming. I believe that remix decks are compelling but I've started to DJ with two instances of Maschine in addition to four remix decks, and I enjoy it. The scratch control on the remix decks is, to me, is the reason to use the F1.

Based on what you wrote in your original post, I'd recommend trying out the F1 for remix decks if you're a turntablist or otherwise love scratch control, but to try using Maschine's sequencer and play live with it in any case.
Delena Katherman
30.04.2013		If you want to play back loops you've already made as you DJ, there's nothing better than the F1. If you want to "finger drum" live while you DJ, Maschine is the way to go. The combo works really well; finish your beats in Maschine, drag them right into the remix decks, and trigger the loops live.

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