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Generic modding tips.
Posted on: 20.05.2011 by Shay Wyche
A lot of the information on the site is being repeated quite a lot. Maybe it would be useful to have one thread that has generic info about the most popular subjects.

For instance, I have lost count the amount of times I have posted links to PS2 controller to usb converters. I'm sure Milo and a few others are also a little bit fed up re-posting things over and over (not that we don't want to help - we do - but it means hunting for old posts that we have dredged up a few times before)

I don't want to get bogged down with specific builds, just the kind of things that can be used on any controller. For instance the wiring diagram of how to wire an LED button from a 5v (usb) supply or a training video on soldering

If the idea catches on, maybe it could get sticky-ed?
Kiyoko Wellisch
01.06.2011
The description for that mix is fucking hilarious.
Shonda Soulier
01.06.2011
Originally Posted by djjoesnug
Dude, cut it out. This isn't the right place to post mixes.
Jacqualine Arroyos
25.05.2011
you can make a "matrix" connecting all of the +5v and another connecting all of the (-) it reduce a lot the wiring
Marva Cupid
25.05.2011
^^ it should do. All usb runs on 5 v and also @Bunford you need to replicate that circuitfor every button.
Jacqualine Arroyos
25.05.2011
Originally Posted by Bunford
How did you connect the LEDs?

I'm hoping to make two controllers. One with a numpad mod for cue points and want the LEDs to come on when buttons are depressed. The other a more midifighter-style effects controller with knobs etc too. Both will be small-ish controllers with 4x4 grids of buttons (though second one with have knobs and/or faders).

So, how do I wire the LEDs to get them to come on when buttons are depressed? Do I need to wire each LED to the button directly, including the resistor?
well the drawing that was posted on this thread is very accurate...

keep in mind that to connect the LED you need to have a +5v supply i don't know if that numberpad has +5v, be careful to not burn the pcb
Shay Wyche
25.05.2011
I'll post a couple of photos of how I wired the leds when I get home on Thursday. Remember the leds will only stay on when you push the buttons. If you want to the leds to stay on after you have pressed the button once, you will need a latching type of button.
Jacqualine Arroyos
25.05.2011
Originally Posted by Bunford
How did you connect the LEDs?

I'm hoping to make two controllers. One with a numpad mod for cue points and want the LEDs to come on when buttons are depressed. The other a more midifighter-style effects controller with knobs etc too. Both will be small-ish controllers with 4x4 grids of buttons (though second one with have knobs and/or faders).

So, how do I wire the LEDs to get them to come on when buttons are depressed? Do I need to wire each LED to the button directly, including the resistor?

i dind't understand the question...

do you want the leds to light when depressed? so when you are not pressing the buttons they lighted?
Olene Minyard
25.05.2011
Originally Posted by fbonito
my controller has about 40 LEDS and two gamepads, and all are working...

you just need to connect all of them together in a mesh...
How did you connect the LEDs?

I'm hoping to make two controllers. One with a numpad mod for cue points and want the LEDs to come on when buttons are depressed. The other a more midifighter-style effects controller with knobs etc too. Both will be small-ish controllers with 4x4 grids of buttons (though second one with have knobs and/or faders).

So, how do I wire the LEDs to get them to come on when buttons are depressed? Do I need to wire each LED to the button directly, including the resistor?
Shay Wyche
24.05.2011
Originally Posted by fbonito
no no...

the drawing is correct...

that's the way to do it... i'm just saying that my gamepad, for reasons that i don't understand, works the other way around... when it comes to led, the + are the -
lol

Sorry, it's late, I've had a couple of Guinness.......
Jacqualine Arroyos
24.05.2011
Originally Posted by Archies'bald
I gave you the original drawing on your build log thread but it seems to have disappeared, that's why I used your one. I should have checked it. I'm working away from home at the moment, I'll post the correct one with it when I get home.
no no...

the drawing is correct...

that's the way to do it... i'm just saying that my gamepad, for reasons that i don't understand, works the other way around... when it comes to led, the + are the -
Shay Wyche
24.05.2011
Originally Posted by fbonito
i did this "collage" but actually my gamepad has different connections...

the resistor is connected to the (-) -> (+5v) and not the way arround... i don't know why... but it is what it is...
I gave you the original drawing on your build log thread but it seems to have disappeared, that's why I used your one. I should have checked it. I'm working away from home at the moment, I'll post the correct one with it when I get home.
Jacqualine Arroyos
23.05.2011
Originally Posted by Bunford
Not sure if questions are needed in this awesome idea of thread of tips and tutorials, but the diagram shows the LED and says it connects to the 5v of the USB. How would you connect multiple LEDs on devices where you may have, for example, as many as 16+ of them?
my controller has about 40 LEDS and two gamepads, and all are working...

you just need to connect all of them together in a mesh...
Jacqualine Arroyos
23.05.2011
Originally Posted by Archies'bald
How to hard wire led buttons. An image tells a thousand words.



You can normally pick up a 5V supply directly from your usb port connection and from memory (correct me if I'm wrong here folks) the resistor should be about 330 ohms.
i did this "collage" but actually my gamepad has different connections...

the resistor is connected to the (-) -> (+5v) and not the way arround... i don't know why... but it is what it is...
Kiyoko Wellisch
23.05.2011
Nah, start an actual wiki rather than a article on wikipedia. I doubt you'll manage to avoid deletion on wikipedia anyway.
Leeanna Ayla
22.05.2011
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Arcelia Siebeneck
22.05.2011
How do we make it happen?
Leeanna Ayla
21.05.2011
I second the wiki idea.
Arcelia Siebeneck
21.05.2011
If you check the first link in my sig, you'll see a thread that links to other useful threads on djtt so I believe the way that archies is doing this thread is fine.

But a wiki would probably be much better.. at least that way the useful information wouldn't get lost among all the replies...
Kiyoko Wellisch
20.05.2011
I'm just believeing that in a year this thread will be a huge mess.
Olene Minyard
20.05.2011
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
Dude update your first post so it's a link to each image/article. Browsing through a large thread to find the bit of info you're looking for is lame.
Only 2 pages so far. You really that lazy?

Though, I believe it may be an idea to have a directory on the OP linking to the specific posts within the thread if this thread fully takes off (as I hope it will!).
Kiyoko Wellisch
20.05.2011
Dude update your first post so it's a link to each image/article. Browsing through a large thread to find the bit of info you're looking for is lame.
Shay Wyche
20.05.2011
Personally, I have connected 7 leds to one resistor which was placed at the start of the 5v circuit. The way I see it, is every time you add more resistance to the circuit, you lower the voltage.
Olene Minyard
20.05.2011
Originally Posted by Archies'bald
How to hard wire led buttons. An image tells a thousand words.



You can normally pick up a 5V supply directly from your usb port connection and from memory (correct me if I'm wrong here folks) the resistor should be about 330 ohms.
Not sure if questions are needed in this awesome idea of thread of tips and tutorials, but the diagram shows the LED and says it connects to the 5v of the USB. How would you connect multiple LEDs on devices where you may have, for example, as many as 16+ of them?
Shay Wyche
20.05.2011
Seriously, if anyone else feels like putting something on here, then please do.
Shay Wyche
19.05.2011
HEALTH AND SAFETY

Health and safety, the bit where everyone moans and feels like they are being treated like 5 year olds. Trust me, this kind of stuff has its dangers. If you do not know what you are doing - ASK. The chances are that you will be dealing with power tools, soldering irons and/or electricity at some point. These are not thing to be fucked around with. Worst case scenario - Death or permanent injury.

Please be as safe as you can. If you feel like you are rushing things for whatever reason, STOP and ask yourself if what you are doing is really worth loosing an eye for. If you are pushing yourself too far, too fast, then you're probably not in the right mindset to be working. Stop for a bit, get a cup of tea (or coffee if you're from the States ) chill out and go back to it later.

The other side of the coin is you will be working with materials that will cost you money. If you are rushing things, you WILL fuck up, meaning it WILL cost you more money.
Shay Wyche
19.05.2011
POTENTIOMETERS AND SLIDERS.

If you are modding gamepads/joysticks, then you want to choose 10K LINEAR POTS.

When wiring the pots the most common way of doing it is to connect the 5v to one of the outside terminals. The 0v would then connect to the other outside terminal. The variable voltage would normally be the centre connection, commonly known as the wiper.

Shay Wyche
19.05.2011
If you have old PS2 controllers you may want to use an adaptor to connect them to your PC. Here is a photo of the type of thing you can use.



You can also get double connectors where you can plug in two controllers and double your buttons and pots. One thing to remember is when you are looking to connect pots, the controller must be in analogue mode or the gamepad will revert to POV switches.

If you are looking to buy some, then Google Shop or Ebay 'PS2 controllers to usb'. If you just google PS2 to usb you will get something completely different - the old connectors for connecting your keyboard and mouse before usb became popular.
Shay Wyche
19.05.2011
How to hard wire led buttons. An image tells a thousand words.



You can normally pick up a 5V supply directly from your usb port connection and from memory (correct me if I'm wrong here folks) the resistor should be about 330 ohms.
Shay Wyche
19.05.2011
How to connect a Leo Bodnar device to buttons, encoders etc. A good tip on here is how to avoid a lot of soldering. Use the crimped spades that you see at 3:40.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB7FTO87Mzo

One thing he did miss out was that you have to download the software to get encoders to work.
Leeanna Ayla
19.05.2011
Great post, and stuck. Keep the tips coming.
Shay Wyche
19.05.2011
A decent soldering tutorial.

I found it difficult to find a video with someone who was enthused about soldering so this guy will have to do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_NU2ruzyc4
Shay Wyche
19.05.2011
Ok, it would only be fair to start at the beginning with the man who's idea this site is, Ean, over to you for a basic tutorial on how to build a controller...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAosgd9Cy6U
Shonda Soulier
19.05.2011
I love the idea of a Wiki.
Arcelia Siebeneck
19.05.2011
well said that man!

I started a thread like this already actually (see my sig) - problem is, it requires people to contribute links as I don't have time to keep it updated all the time. What I've started doing is editing the tags of any interesting threads with the word, "mil0" so I can easily search for them later and update the FAQ. If other people want to do the same, feel free!

But personally, I believe this community needs a wiki... thoughts mods?
Dacia Mccart
19.05.2011
Maybe do a sticky thread with info about these basic mods everyone are doing? Links to basic brains, pots, sliders ect and info about that? What people use to wire and stuff.

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