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Nobody wants to work at it anymore? Posted on: 31.07.2011 by Cordia Clemensen What's with the insane number of "I want to be a DJ. Tell me what tunes and gear I should get." or "I want to produce music like deadmau5/swedish house mafia/guetta/rusko, what synth/samples should I use?" threads recently? Nobody knows how to use google? Nobody listens to tunes and figures out things for themselves? Sound On Sound, Electronic Musician, loads of other blogs and mags online at your googling finger tips. With the massive amounts of youtube/social media these guys produce it's dead easy to trainspot their gear and plugins. And invariably the OP is just going to end up getting crystalised-form-of-cocaine versions of the software anyways. I'm all for helping ppl out and sharing knowledge but I believe there's a base level you should sort out for yourself. Post here if you're trying to get a weird mapping in Traktor or trying to figure out how to get ableton's automation to not suck bollocks and freak out once you get more than 30 tracks running. What's next? "I want to be a DJ - can someone mix me a few killer sets I can slip into a CDJ and knob twiddle for a few hours." "I want to produce music - can someone make me a torrent with a DAW, soft synths, plugins, samples and 10-15 session files with killer beats and hooks in them?" Srlsy?! | |
| Lin Danek 31.07.2011 |
Originally Posted by emaceratus
I don't believe its fear - its exasperation. We were ALL newbs - we can relate. |
| Margie Pavell 31.07.2011 | i dont believe DJing and what all it covers is that big of a stew...tech knowledge wise...everything else comes from within... 1. find a way to make music you like all blend together into a continuous stream of positive energy... 2. repeat lesson one 3. try harder at lesson one 4. read lesson 3 and 4 |
| Loralee Erban 31.07.2011 | Im +1000 on the newbie community plus if there is a way like many other sites to make it so you cant post in main community till like 20 non spam posts, means there wil be no adverts bar in beginner section, which older members should be able to manage ans delete stuff.. And means all the questions about what controller, laptop, songs and mixing style to use can stay in one section and for more ellab stuff we have general discus |
| Margie Pavell 31.07.2011 | they barely made an off topic thread for threads like these...be happy with that... i can understand not wanting to junk the place up too many areas... this is good for the time being... there shouldn't be place to spoon feed people... come in with some knowledge, some love and a willingness to listen and learn...easy... |
| Kena Neukomm 31.07.2011 | What about a separate Tab for newbie threads ? I understand the frustration, I really do. But if a kid is too stupid/lazy to figure out or even read a manual for hooking up a turntable to a mixer ? You have absolutely nothing to fear from him. Me believes that the whimsical usually quit as quick as they started, and when they buy gear, they help the gear industry running too. No ? Heck, you might even get a nice shutdown deal off their fresh gear But then again, if you don't know something, it shouldn't hurt to ask ! If it annoys, instead of replying... Join to the Dark side ! Use your anger ! Do something constructive with it, hammer a new mix together ! And back on track, I believe a separate "newbie Tab" could be a relieve from this nuisance. No ? |
| Margie Pavell 31.07.2011 | didnt know you guys were having a party... |
| Kesha Orde 31.07.2011 |
Originally Posted by tekki
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| Nedra Fresneda 31.07.2011 |
Originally Posted by JonathanBlake
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| Random X 31.07.2011 | Everybody comes across guys and gals like these. Heck, this board has had hordes. |
| Loralee Erban 31.07.2011 | I agree with absolutely everything bar the youtube bit, youtube is a good reasource and if you are trying to replicate your favorite artists to try and figure out a certain DAW or plugin, at least you can try it to a song you already know, trying to publish them songs though is wrong. But for learning is ok. The controller bit is true aswell. When I started with controllerism I grabbed a cheap hercules to give my hands on control of traktor which used to be keyboard mapping. It was such a jump and so much easier being able to twist and slide and spin things to do stuff. Then I upgraded to a numark omni control because I really like the sound card and the solid feel, but always had in mind a use for the hercules, that is now a traktor efx500 controller, to me it does everything (this relates to the bit on mapping stuff for your own taste) it helps me cue juggle, select regular fx, and control them with jogs and faders, allows me to loop, adjust gain, sync, cue, play, bass-hold kill (which is nice compaired to on off kill), soo with this i can pretty much do everything easy while just having to eq on the other controller |
| Halley Wurzer 31.07.2011 | I am glad this post came up. I agree with a lot of whats been said. The number of repetitive posts such as "I just got my first club gig, getting paid, give me music!" and "What gear should I buy, I am way to lazy to be bothered with research" and "Tell me what I need to be a DJ so I can f*ck the prom queen" is so annoying!!! |
| Lin Danek 31.07.2011 |
Originally Posted by djchriswoods.co.uk
The Instant Gratification Generation - 'I want, I get' |
| Teresia Janusch 31.07.2011 | its the youth of today...downloading illegal software and tunes then calling themselves djs and then undercutting everyone else who has been at it for years, spend a good portion of their money on gear
and music...forcing the standards down... grinds my gears! |
| Jenise Kryszak 31.07.2011 | To me it seems as though most people who say they want to become a DJ these days only want to do it for the popularity. They see the big names like laidback luke, wolfgang, afrojack, and want to skip to the top. What they don't realize is how much effort these big names have actually put into their work. I'm sure most of them have started out at the bottom and spent years working their way up. My inspiration actually came from seeing a local dj at a rave event and rocking the crowd. Seeing him control the crowd with music really made me curious. I wanted to be able to feel the rush when looking at the people in front of you with their hands up and going nuts. Since I've started, I've learned everything through making connections with other DJs, watching videos on youtube, and just plain messing around with the gear that I've had. I've played at a few parties and even those were exciting for me. I don't mind if I become a big name as long as I get the opportunity to rock a crowd. I've always loved music and didn't realize how much I did until I picked up my first gear. |
| Lin Danek 01.08.2011 | Good rant DD. |
| Kesha Orde 31.07.2011 | @ DigitalDevil: Brilliiant, I love you! You just articulated exactly what I've been believeing myself. |
| May Artman 31.07.2011 | I guess now that we have a more proper place to discuss this I'll put in my real two cents (rant) on the subject and I can just ignore the threads constantly popping up in general (or link to this). I'll be using the term "you" but this isn't really directed at anyone reading it - the people that could benefit from this post will never see it but I'll blow off some steam anyways. It really is incomprehensible that so much information is readily available and people still want an easier way. To me, taking a few minutes to search for something is much easier (and typically much more effective, as you may find professional tutorials on any given topic), than asking some anonymous group and waiting days for a possible response. I really don't get it. At all. Why would you come and ask someone to pick out gear for you? If you don't know what you want (even narrowed down to a couple choices), then I'm guessing you have absolutely no plan for how you're going to be playing. Its not just about two decks and a mixer anymore. With such a wide range of options meant to suit individual preferences, its up to you to decide what will work and what won't with your style. It just seems natural enough for anyone to try out some demo software with a mouse and keyboard and believe "hmm, it would be nice to have a knob controlling X function, and I'd like it laid out at Y location on a controller." I wasn't satisfied with any of the standardized MIDI controller solutions, so I took a blank slate of buttons, knobs, and faders and turned it into the a device that suited the way I wanted to play. There's no way I could've arrived at that by asking someone else to tell me what I want. Narrowing down the finer points of concern in making a decision between a few contenders is understandable, but just showing up with "can i haz dj nao?" is fucking bullshit. But the most shocking of it all is the "give me some tunes" side of it... if you don't even have music that you like, why the fuck do you want to DJ? Never in my DJ career have I had to search for music. Ever. Any time I'm not making music, I'm listening to music. I have the luxury of being able to work while listening to music, but even before that I had no trouble with having new tracks thrown at me just from listening to radio shows, mixes, podcasts, etc from my favorite artists and jotting down any tracks that I really like. Never have I had to go out of my way for the stuff, I just enjoy listening to music so it comes naturally. On top of that, every time I open beatport it shouts out at me "Hey! You know that label that always releases tracks that you love? Well, they just released some more tracks for you to check out!" At the end of every month I have more tracks in my hold bin than I could ever possibly play and I have to go through the painful task of deciding which ones are going to get air time. Its absolutely mind boggling for you to ask, with no specifics or direction at all, a very diverse group of people what music they like instead of believeing about what you like and your sound. And then, after finding out what these token bangers are, people proceed to go and steal the music. Really? $0.99 for a record is too much? Having a store with millions of tunes that you can access from anywhere at any time isn't good enough? You still want to steal your tunes? And hey, might as well steal all the software while you're at it, too, because a few hundred quid on a DAW that allows you to emulate mounds of expensive hardware is obviously far too much to ask for. Then looking to places like youtube and one will find that the most popular tutorials are those emulating big artists... what? Is your goal as a producer really just to be a worse-sounding version of someone else? Why are you making tracks at all? No wonder the market is constantly saturated with piss-poor wannabes over and over instead of blooming with creativity. So, that leaves us with someone that has stolen everything that they need, thus investing no money, and had all the answers spoon fed to them instead of putting in the work to really understand things, thus investing no time, and - SHOCKER - the market is flooded with half-rate weekend warrior producers and DJs that have no passion and don't care about their work at all, but will still come here and ask how to get signed to a record label and how to land big gigs. K, I'm done for now. |
| Kandy Ahdoot 31.07.2011 | i agree 100% people want all the work doing for them. Creating your own music is exactly that YOUR OWN. |
| Margie Pavell 31.07.2011 | I believe we all came to the conclusion to just not answer those types of questions... The best is when you do try to point someone in the right direction and they say "not like that...like this" |
| Leeanna Ayla 31.07.2011 |
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