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Unedited version of the UC Davis Pepper Spraying

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Unedited version of the UC Davis Pepper Spraying Posted on: 05.12.2011 by Nick Kingsley http://youtu.be/hhPdH3wE0_Y Watch the full video. Tell me the police acted inappropriately.
Janell Selser 06.12.2011	Originally Posted by dripstep I am all for protesting and free speech and standing up for what you believe in, but when you are breaking the law, you need to understand that, and know that there are repercussions for your actions. Once you break the law, and an officer tells you that you need to leave, or come with him, its over. You don't understand the concept of civil disobediance (hint it's right in the title). When the students sat down they were signalling/waiting to be arrested, they knew this, the cops knew this. It's a very standard form of protest, sometimes they even chain themselves together to make things difficult for the officers. The cop acted illegally by pepperspraying (assault, 4th amendment violation). Now refer back to your breaking the law statement and apply it here, or do you ignore law breaking when it applies to law enforcement officers. It's a very slippery slope once you do.
Leeanna Ayla 06.12.2011	Originally Posted by Tha Gooch I would believe that it is quite obvious no? Obvious to some and not so obvious to others. The people in this thread have acted like adults and not resorted to name calling which is the only reason the thread is still open. As soon as someone starts calling people derogatory names because of their opinions though it has the potential to get out of hand.
Teodoro Woolever 06.12.2011	Originally Posted by photojojo There is a law (forgot the name of it) that says you can insult a police officer and they can not arrest you. However if someone else is around and hears bad language or if you make a specific threat towards an officer you can be detained and or arrested. Falls under public nuisance. Lots of stuff falls under that law. In TX you can legally carry a long gun (legaleese for rifle) out in the open providing there is no magazine attached and/or rounds in the chamber. So if you do it, you will not be arrested for it. However, the first report of you doing so by a "concerned citizen" will land you in jail, not for the rifle, but for being a "public nuisance" and possibly "disturbing the peace". Also since you are in possession of a weapon, be prepared for it to be the same procedure as a felony arrest in which you will be taken to the ground.
Janell Selser 06.12.2011	Originally Posted by photojojo I'm assuming this is sarcasm? Please say so if it is. I would believe that it is quite obvious no? These people cheering on the actions of the police in this case are on the wrong side of history. They are morally and legally wrong, period. We have a long proud liberal tradition of passive and at times violent resistance in this country. Resistance that created the middle class in workers rebellions and gave many people thier civil rights. At every point in our history there were people who sided with the status quo and the authorities and there were the people who stood for what was right. These kids knew what they were doing as it's been done millions of times before. They planned to peacefully sit and wait to be arrested as a political statement. Instead they were assaulted and had their 4th amendment rights violated by the police. The giggling of rednecks and facists at hippies getting what they deserved are anologous to many things said and done in our past, this is nothing new. It's a question of who's side are you on? The side that cheers on police assaulting unarmed youth concerned that their future children will have to be millionares to afford a degree? Or the side that understands that something is fundamentally wrong in a country where billionare bankers destroyed our economy, wrecked the middle class, and are forcing the masses to suffer while they continue to collect their fat bonuses and avoid prosecution for any of the fraud that was done. I'm not anti-police and I don't believe that people should be able to camp out indefinately in public or private spaces. But if they believe strongly enough in what they're doing they will go home and come back the next day and the day after that indefinately... To those who believe the police needed to act before a riot broke out should stop and believe about how assaulting kids sitting with thier heads down whould achieve that and not cause such things. I've been in close to a dozen riots and all of them were escalated by police actions, it's never been the oposite.
Felipe Willia 06.12.2011	Originally Posted by ST.PE` NO ONE can pose a threat to any authority esp a police officer(campus police do have the same rights) and expect to not react. they gave warnings multiple times and told them what will happen. Those U.S. citizens sitting peacefully exercising their Constitutionally protected right to protest, never at any point posed any threat what so ever. We the people of these United States of America entrust our military & law enforcement personnel with weapons, with the understanding that those weapons will be used responsibly. Brutally attacking innocent citizens, with deadly chemical weapons, who are peacefully sitting on the ground, for absolutely no reason at all. (And no, having your feelings hurt because some kids might have said some things that burst your overly fragile ego. Is not a reason.) Is a gross violation of that trust. The horrible monsters responsible for any such actions should be behind bars & barred from ever working in law enforcement related or security related activities for life.
Leeanna Ayla 06.12.2011	Originally Posted by Tha Gooch Release the dogs on those uppity negro's! . I'm assuming this is sarcasm? Please say so if it is.
Roseline Canright 06.12.2011	Originally Posted by photojojo There is a law (forgot the name of it) that says you can insult a police officer and they can not arrest you. However if someone else is around and hears bad language or if you make a specific threat towards an officer you can be detained and or arrested. this is what im talking about. and dripstep touched on it perfectly. with that many angry upset people in one area the police/campus police have to split it up b4 it turns into worse matters, as it did. there is no right answer other than the thing our parents taught us. "whatever we do in life comes consequences for our actions. despite the outcome to be good or bad."
Roseline Canright 06.12.2011	Originally Posted by djproben Sounds to me like you're the one who prefers this sort of regime? i dont agree with violence. If people just followed the rules we wouldnt be yelling at each other on this thread. this occupy movement is stupid. I work hard like each every one of y'all despite the high college tuition i payed or the job market. this whole situation was preventable if the students just left it alone and did what they were supposed to do message your congressman or start a blog get the medias attention in a positive way. not one that makes the U.S. look like immature idiots.
Roseline Canright 06.12.2011	Originally Posted by dripstep That constitutes trespassing, which is against the law. Originally Posted by Citizen_Insane Don't really feel like joining the shouting match but man... some of the comments and opinions in this thread just make me sad for the future. Don't know where to begin with how wrong (in the both the sense of incorrect and unjust / immoral) that is so I won't. In the united states i cannot go up to an officer and say anything derogatory. You will not lose freedom of speech, but you will be arrested. same with insulting the united states in a way that poses harm to authority. you can be charged with terrorism. im not saying its right or anything, but its the way it is so we have to respect it. Originally Posted by 3heads This must be the single most stupid and sad thing I have read in a long time. really bc come to the us and insult a police officer to their face and see what happens?? Originally Posted by Jumanji What any extremely perverted & warped view you have of what a police officer is. They are public servants, employed by the public, to serve & protect the public. Not hired thugs to go around willy nilly violently attacking the public with excessive deadly force through dangerous chemical weapons. Just because the public verbally insults you, it does not give you the right to brutally attack innocent citizens trying to peacefully exercise their U.S. Constitutional right to petition for redress of grievances. Seriously? Are you a police officer? grew up with them as family members? hang out with them? bc if so tell me more. correct serve and protect the public. once they ask you to leave and you refuse you are now being pursued. NO ONE can pose a threat to any authority esp a police officer(campus police do have the same rights) and expect to not react. they gave warnings multiple times and told them what will happen.
Marguerite Salsedo 06.12.2011	Originally Posted by dripstep OT: this isn't a shouting match, rather a debate. I have no different opinion of allensmusic, and all the respect I had before this thread. This has been kept as a very adult conversation, and I'm very impressed with the lack of personal attacks here. Unlike the dreaded "S" word threads lol Yeah, I will agree it has been a rather adult conversation given that talks about politics and such usually get pretty heated pretty quickly. I suppose shouting match was the wrong term to use in hindsight, perhaps debate or dispute?
Felipe Willia 06.12.2011	Originally Posted by ST.PE` always 2 sides from the story, but if i was leading the protest i would listen and come back when they leave. It's an "occupy" protest. Not a march, not a gather here for an hour & make a bunch of noise protest, not a violent protest. It's an occupy this space protest. Labor unions, churches, collage students & even WWI vets have been having sit ins, shut ins & camp ins for many, many years in the USA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL6X17CrIb4
Janell Selser 06.12.2011	Originally Posted by dripstep I am all for protesting and free speech and standing up for what you believe in, but when you are breaking the law, you need to understand that, and know that there are repercussions for your actions. Once you break the law, and an officer tells you that you need to leave, or come with him, its over. You don't understand the concept of civil disobediance (hint it's right in the title). When the students sat down they were signalling/waiting to be arrested, they knew this, the cops knew this. It's a very standard form of protest, sometimes they even chain themselves together to make things difficult for the officers. The cop acted illegally by pepperspraying (assault, 4th amendment violation). Now refer back to your breaking the law statement and apply it here, or do you ignore law breaking when it applies to law enforcement officers. It's a very slippery slope once you do.
Yong Aptekar 06.12.2011	I believe the problem in this world is the sense of entitlement, and the distrust of law enforcement. Not so long ago, children were meant to be seen and not heard. Someone decided that was wrong (and imo they were right) and starting to tell kids that they are all special, that they can have whatever they want in the world (again, not a bad thing). But then, parents started having no time for their kids, and found that the television was a fantastic substitute for parenting. you could do the dishes, make supper, work, and the kids are taken care of. This instilled a sense of disregard for authority, because nobody was correcting these kids when they did something wrong. if parents aren't around to show kids right and wrong, and discipline them when they are bad, authority has no power over them. Then came the generation of "you cant spank a kid" children soon found out that you could do whatever you want, and you wouldnt get spanked, you would get sent to your room....with the tv. Punishment meant nothing, School started getting unruly because teachers couldnt discipline the students for acting out either. Kids started believeing that they could have the world because they are untouchable, no punishment, no rules. That is a dangerous combination....disrespect, disregard and a general hate for authority, and a sense of entitlement. Now, not everyone turned out like this, but some did. Those students sitting on the ground "calling out" the officer telling them they will be pepper sprayed, didnt care. They didnt believe he would do it perhaps. look at how fast that line grew, and how excited everyone got when someone new joined their ranks. They lined up back to back, 2 rows and told the officers "let them go, we will let YOU leave, and keep protesting". That is a VERY dangerous situation, and volatile. One small act of violence by a student could have ignited the entire group (look through newspapers, it happens all the time. read about the riots in Vancouver). The officers could not take the chance of that happening, and needed to stop the protest. Specifically the students defying them and sitting on the ground. The ones that now belonged to a group, that had strength in numbers. Its not a matter of morals at this point. Yes pepper spray may have been excessive, But they needed to end the protest fast, and if they struck a student, things may have erupted (again, look through the news, fists and bats make people mad). Nobody is going to stand up to someone with a can of pepper spray, but 2 people can take on someone with a billy club. The protest needed to be dispersed immediately. The school did not need a riot, and this was teetering on the edge of becoming one. I am all for protesting and free speech and standing up for what you believe in, but when you are breaking the law, you need to understand that, and know that there are repercussions for your actions. Once you break the law, and an officer tells you that you need to leave, or come with him, its over. You do what you are told, or it will get bad. If you have done nothing wrong, you will always come out on top, unless you tell the officer to go f*** himself. -End rant
Eulah Klemz 06.12.2011	here is a quote from the campus chancellor "Multiple investigations and reviews are underway to learn why police -- despite my explicit instructions that no force be used in removing tents and other gear from the area -- elected to employ pepper spray. But let me again be clear: it was absolutely wrong and unnecessary," Katehi said in a message sent to students on Nov. 23. the police were under orders to not use violence against the protestors. the protestors did in fact verbally protest. the protestors did not do anything physical. the police violated orders, and pepper sprayed. someone needs to keep the police following orders. they are civil servants. we are a free country. knowing the people that sent the police to clear the area specifically specified no force, how can you believe force was justified?
Eulah Klemz 06.12.2011	had they taken them into custody, I would completely understand. what they did was send them to the hospital, and let them go. there was no charges. also, did everyone that got peper sprayed verbally attack the campus police? the police claim they were being circled, and the video shows hecklers standing around the officers, but the officers chose to spray the ones sitting. I have trouble believing that every single one of those people sitting verbally attacked the officers. what I see is a power trip. the officers felt like they were losing control, so they picked on the ones doing the least to make his ego grow. why didnt he spray the ones verbally attacking and surrounding the officers? "I am feeling threatened, here let me attack this lady over here so I can feel tough again"
Tesha Freudenstein 06.12.2011	dunno 'bout y'all but over here if you verbally attack a representative of the law you get taken into custody and not pepper sprayed in the face. neither for civil disobedience.
Leeanna Ayla 06.12.2011	Originally Posted by Tha Gooch I would believe that it is quite obvious no? Obvious to some and not so obvious to others. The people in this thread have acted like adults and not resorted to name calling which is the only reason the thread is still open. As soon as someone starts calling people derogatory names because of their opinions though it has the potential to get out of hand.
Felipe Willia 06.12.2011	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M8fOwHnwg0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrQiGBpHVCc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkq5l8NT00Q
Eulah Klemz 06.12.2011	none of this is new. it all happened in the 60's. history repeats itself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iROmLKP-KaU
Teodoro Woolever 06.12.2011	Originally Posted by photojojo There is a law (forgot the name of it) that says you can insult a police officer and they can not arrest you. However if someone else is around and hears bad language or if you make a specific threat towards an officer you can be detained and or arrested. Falls under public nuisance. Lots of stuff falls under that law. In TX you can legally carry a long gun (legaleese for rifle) out in the open providing there is no magazine attached and/or rounds in the chamber. So if you do it, you will not be arrested for it. However, the first report of you doing so by a "concerned citizen" will land you in jail, not for the rifle, but for being a "public nuisance" and possibly "disturbing the peace". Also since you are in possession of a weapon, be prepared for it to be the same procedure as a felony arrest in which you will be taken to the ground.
Janell Selser 06.12.2011	Originally Posted by photojojo I'm assuming this is sarcasm? Please say so if it is. I would believe that it is quite obvious no? These people cheering on the actions of the police in this case are on the wrong side of history. They are morally and legally wrong, period. We have a long proud liberal tradition of passive and at times violent resistance in this country. Resistance that created the middle class in workers rebellions and gave many people thier civil rights. At every point in our history there were people who sided with the status quo and the authorities and there were the people who stood for what was right. These kids knew what they were doing as it's been done millions of times before. They planned to peacefully sit and wait to be arrested as a political statement. Instead they were assaulted and had their 4th amendment rights violated by the police. The giggling of rednecks and facists at hippies getting what they deserved are anologous to many things said and done in our past, this is nothing new. It's a question of who's side are you on? The side that cheers on police assaulting unarmed youth concerned that their future children will have to be millionares to afford a degree? Or the side that understands that something is fundamentally wrong in a country where billionare bankers destroyed our economy, wrecked the middle class, and are forcing the masses to suffer while they continue to collect their fat bonuses and avoid prosecution for any of the fraud that was done. I'm not anti-police and I don't believe that people should be able to camp out indefinately in public or private spaces. But if they believe strongly enough in what they're doing they will go home and come back the next day and the day after that indefinately... To those who believe the police needed to act before a riot broke out should stop and believe about how assaulting kids sitting with thier heads down whould achieve that and not cause such things. I've been in close to a dozen riots and all of them were escalated by police actions, it's never been the oposite.
Felipe Willia 06.12.2011	Originally Posted by ST.PE` NO ONE can pose a threat to any authority esp a police officer(campus police do have the same rights) and expect to not react. they gave warnings multiple times and told them what will happen. Those U.S. citizens sitting peacefully exercising their Constitutionally protected right to protest, never at any point posed any threat what so ever. We the people of these United States of America entrust our military & law enforcement personnel with weapons, with the understanding that those weapons will be used responsibly. Brutally attacking innocent citizens, with deadly chemical weapons, who are peacefully sitting on the ground, for absolutely no reason at all. (And no, having your feelings hurt because some kids might have said some things that burst your overly fragile ego. Is not a reason.) Is a gross violation of that trust. The horrible monsters responsible for any such actions should be behind bars & barred from ever working in law enforcement related or security related activities for life.
Roseline Canright 06.12.2011	I'm not trying to make enemies here with anyone. Learned & learning a lot from y'all. We all have are opinions. were both parties wrong? yes could it have been handled better on both sides? yes Hopefully these things will be handled in a more adult fashion next time by the protesters and police.
Leeanna Ayla 06.12.2011	Originally Posted by Tha Gooch Release the dogs on those uppity negro's! . I'm assuming this is sarcasm? Please say so if it is.
Janell Selser 06.12.2011	Release the dogs on those uppity negro's! The more things change the more they stay the same. The higher courts have already ruled that the use of pepper spray in these cases is a violation of the students 4th amendment rights and they will be compensated in a court of law. http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1332957.html "We concluded in our prior opinion that, viewing the evidence in the light most favorable to the protestors, a rational juror could conclude that the use of pepper spray against the protestors constituted excessive force and that Lewis and Philip were liable for the protestors' unconstitutional injury. 240 F.3d at 1199-1209. This analysis is consistent with Saucier's first inquiry: viewing the facts in the light most favorable to the protestors, Lewis and Philip violated the protestors' Fourth Amendment right to be free from excessive force." You guys are wrong, morally and legally.
Roseline Canright 06.12.2011	Originally Posted by photojojo There is a law (forgot the name of it) that says you can insult a police officer and they can not arrest you. However if someone else is around and hears bad language or if you make a specific threat towards an officer you can be detained and or arrested. this is what im talking about. and dripstep touched on it perfectly. with that many angry upset people in one area the police/campus police have to split it up b4 it turns into worse matters, as it did. there is no right answer other than the thing our parents taught us. "whatever we do in life comes consequences for our actions. despite the outcome to be good or bad."
Leeanna Ayla 06.12.2011	There is a law (forgot the name of it) that says you can insult a police officer and they can not arrest you. However if someone else is around and hears bad language or if you make a specific threat towards an officer you can be detained and or arrested.
Roseline Canright 06.12.2011	Originally Posted by djproben Sounds to me like you're the one who prefers this sort of regime? i dont agree with violence. If people just followed the rules we wouldnt be yelling at each other on this thread. this occupy movement is stupid. I work hard like each every one of y'all despite the high college tuition i payed or the job market. this whole situation was preventable if the students just left it alone and did what they were supposed to do message your congressman or start a blog get the medias attention in a positive way. not one that makes the U.S. look like immature idiots.
Roseline Canright 06.12.2011	Originally Posted by dripstep That constitutes trespassing, which is against the law. Originally Posted by Citizen_Insane Don't really feel like joining the shouting match but man... some of the comments and opinions in this thread just make me sad for the future. Don't know where to begin with how wrong (in the both the sense of incorrect and unjust / immoral) that is so I won't. In the united states i cannot go up to an officer and say anything derogatory. You will not lose freedom of speech, but you will be arrested. same with insulting the united states in a way that poses harm to authority. you can be charged with terrorism. im not saying its right or anything, but its the way it is so we have to respect it. Originally Posted by 3heads This must be the single most stupid and sad thing I have read in a long time. really bc come to the us and insult a police officer to their face and see what happens?? Originally Posted by Jumanji What any extremely perverted & warped view you have of what a police officer is. They are public servants, employed by the public, to serve & protect the public. Not hired thugs to go around willy nilly violently attacking the public with excessive deadly force through dangerous chemical weapons. Just because the public verbally insults you, it does not give you the right to brutally attack innocent citizens trying to peacefully exercise their U.S. Constitutional right to petition for redress of grievances. Seriously? Are you a police officer? grew up with them as family members? hang out with them? bc if so tell me more. correct serve and protect the public. once they ask you to leave and you refuse you are now being pursued. NO ONE can pose a threat to any authority esp a police officer(campus police do have the same rights) and expect to not react. they gave warnings multiple times and told them what will happen.
Marguerite Salsedo 06.12.2011	Originally Posted by dripstep OT: this isn't a shouting match, rather a debate. I have no different opinion of allensmusic, and all the respect I had before this thread. This has been kept as a very adult conversation, and I'm very impressed with the lack of personal attacks here. Unlike the dreaded "S" word threads lol Yeah, I will agree it has been a rather adult conversation given that talks about politics and such usually get pretty heated pretty quickly. I suppose shouting match was the wrong term to use in hindsight, perhaps debate or dispute?
Felipe Willia 06.12.2011	Originally Posted by ST.PE` always 2 sides from the story, but if i was leading the protest i would listen and come back when they leave. It's an "occupy" protest. Not a march, not a gather here for an hour & make a bunch of noise protest, not a violent protest. It's an occupy this space protest. Labor unions, churches, collage students & even WWI vets have been having sit ins, shut ins & camp ins for many, many years in the USA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL6X17CrIb4
Felipe Willia 06.12.2011	Originally Posted by ST.PE` no matter "rights" if law enforcement says move. you move. they don't answer to us. not are position to resist authority or question their reasons behind it. that wasn't campus police. What any extremely perverted & warped view you have of what a police officer is. They are public servants, employed by the public, to serve & protect the public. Not hired thugs to go around willy nilly violently attacking the public with excessive deadly force through dangerous chemical weapons. Just because the public verbally insults you, it does not give you the right to brutally attack innocent citizens trying to peacefully exercise their U.S. Constitutional right to petition for redress of grievances.
Celestine Porebski 06.12.2011	Originally Posted by ST.PE` no matter "rights" if law enforcement says move. you move. they don't answer to us. not are position to resist authority or question their reasons behind it. that wasn't campus police. This must be the single most stupid and sad thing I have read in a long time.
Yong Aptekar 06.12.2011	Not at all, I was 100% compliant with the officer. This is why they weren't charged, and neither was I: college students, with a whole life infront of them will have their futures ruined with a criminal charge. The ones pepper sprayed got the message. Now, if I had sat down infront of him and refused to move, I would have been forcibly restrained, and probably charged, but these were campus police. Their futures at the school may be in jeopardy because of this, especially if this was their first offense. OT: this isn't a shouting match, rather a debate. I have no different opinion of allensmusic, and all the respect I had before this thread. This has been kept as a very adult conversation, and I'm very impressed with the lack of personal attacks here. Unlike the dreaded "S" word threads lol
Marguerite Salsedo 06.12.2011	Don't really feel like joining the shouting match but man... some of the comments and opinions in this thread just make me sad for the future. No one has freedom of speech once they insult authority or this country Don't know where to begin with how wrong (in the both the sense of incorrect and unjust / immoral) that is so I won't.
Eulah Klemz 06.12.2011	did you get assaulted for your graffiti? had you got assaulted for it, do you believe they would have also charged you for it?
Yong Aptekar 06.12.2011	In my younger days I got caught spray painting (stupid, yes) but I was never charged, rather sent off with a warning....vandalism is a crime yes?
Eulah Klemz 06.12.2011	then why werent they charged? hmmm? had they had any charges to bring against them, the officers and chief probably wouldnt be under investigation
Yong Aptekar 06.12.2011	Originally Posted by Allensmusic they did not break the law. they broke campus policy against overevening camping. That constitutes trespassing, which is against the law.
Danae Dumler 06.12.2011	Originally Posted by ST.PE` No one has freedom of speech once they insult authority or this country. Not sure what country you're talking about but it turns out this happened in the United States, where the highest Court in the land has consistently ruled the exact opposite of that. Not saying that police won't ignore those rights when they're pissed off (and I don't disagree that it's foolish to piss them off), but "insulting authority or this country" is well within the scope of free speech rights in the constitution. your hippie ass should move to middle eastern countries. you steal, your hand is cut off. Sounds to me like you're the one who prefers this sort of regime?

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