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If you torrent your music and you use it in a for profit manner
Posted on: 08.01.2012 by Joie Cantillon
you are a fucking thief and a piece of shit on top of it. You realize that you are stealing tools, right?
Margie Pavell
08.01.2012
Originally Posted by Dj Kave
lol, more like a very realistic way of looking at it.

Or wait, maybe trends will just reverse themselves, and we'll start buying whole albums again!

Lmao

Spend your money on it if you want too
it's not a realistic way to believe...you have just made it okay in your little brain...

wouldn't you want someone to spend the 99 cents on something that you worked hard on?...

if you are a working DJ and torret most of your music then i have zero respect for you and what you do...

i wish we could ban people for openly endorsing piracy...

you sir are a turd...

PS: and i will continue to spend my money on artists and their tracks that i like...
Lawana Spratlen
08.01.2012
Originally Posted by keithace
that is such a poor argument...
Please explain why?
Lawana Spratlen
08.01.2012
Originally Posted by bigheadmikelove
other than the pirate dvd movies, which in my mind is not a victimless crime, everything else you brought up is victimless crime... I am by no means perfect, but I just can't abide 2 things thieves and liars. And no I don't steal music movies games comics etc etc I don't look at it as sharing and I don't look at it as OK because (as I have seen said as a valid excuse for torrenting copyrighted materials) "I can't afford it, should I be denied the ability to see art also" which in all reality, it's shitty that you can't afford it and don't get to see that specific artwork, but yes, the artists shouldn't make it and have you see it without getting their fee...it's life, I believe sometimes that the work I do (Oilfield construction) is akin to high artwork (Seriously, I'm the fucking Van Gogh of pipe), but I would just quit working if the fruits of my labors weren't making me any money...
They all have their victims!:eek:
Hunter Renslow
08.01.2012
Originally Posted by keithace
i don't know about you...but i used to pay 11 bucks for imports and 6 bucks for domestic...for singles...

99 cents? 1.29? 1.49? no problemo...
^^ This! I spent thousands on vinyl! .99cents to 2,50 or whatever doesn't seem at all bad. Plus Im totally OCD about my music and have to know that I'm getting good sound quality mp3's
Romelia Stankard
08.01.2012
Originally Posted by bigheadmikelove
..

Also SOPA is coming so the internet wild west (for US residents at least) will be coming to an end soon...
Wow a SOPA supporter too?

SOPA won't do anything, it's already been circumvented before it has even been implemented. Anyone installs this and it's like sopa never happened or they just type in an ip address. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/desopa/


If you steal a car, then the owner no longer has a car. If you pirate a song, no theft occurred because it's a copy and the original hasn't been taken- hence copyright infringement and not theft.

Copyright holders frequently refer to copyright infringement as "theft." In copyright law, infringement does not refer to actual theft, but an instance where a person exercises one of the exclusive rights of the copyright holder without authorization.[5] Courts have distinguished between copyright infringement and theft, holding, for instance, in the United States Supreme Court case Dowling v. United States (1985) that bootleg phonorecords did not constitute stolen property and that "interference with copyright does not easily equate with theft, conversion, or fraud. The Copyright Act even employs a separate term of art to define one who misappropriates a copyright... 'an infringer of the copyright.'" In the case of copyright infringement the province guaranteed to the copyright holder by copyright law is invaded, i.e. exclusive rights, but no control, physical or otherwise, is taken over the copyright, nor is the copyright holder wholly deprived of using the copyrighted work or exercising the exclusive rights held.[
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement"]Copyright infringement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
Joie Cantillon
08.01.2012
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Cool story bro.

Piracy is copyright infringement, not theft. If you steal a record from a record store, that's theft. Not that I endorse piracy but calling it theft is just... wrong.
how is copyright infringement not theft...I'm not an educated man, so by all means enlighten me...

Also SOPA is coming so the internet wild west (for US residents at least) will be coming to an end soon...
Valentin Doong
08.01.2012
Originally Posted by bigheadmikelove
Hey, maybe everyone can stop spending money on music...I'm sure that lots of music will keep on being made ...

Sounds like a great idea!!

Haha
Joie Cantillon
08.01.2012
Originally Posted by Dj Kave
lol, more like a very realistic way of looking at it.

Or wait, maybe trends will just reverse themselves, and we'll start buying whole albums again!

Lmao

Spend your money on it if you want too
Hey, maybe everyone can stop spending money on music...I'm sure that lots of music will keep on being made ...
Valentin Doong
08.01.2012
Originally Posted by keithace
what a piece of crap way of believeing...

lol, more like a very realistic way of looking at it.

Or wait, maybe trends will just reverse themselves, and we'll start buying whole albums again!

Lmao

Spend your money on it if you want too
Romelia Stankard
08.01.2012
Originally Posted by bigheadmikelove
you are a fucking thief and a piece of shit on top of it. You realize that you are stealing tools, right?
Cool story bro.

Piracy is copyright infringement, not theft. If you steal a record from a record store, that's theft. Not that I endorse piracy but calling it theft is just... wrong.
Margie Pavell
08.01.2012
Originally Posted by Dj Kave
In 5 years, no one is gunna pay for music. Hell no one i know is paying for it now. Its the digital age good sir.
what a piece of crap way of believeing...
Valentin Doong
08.01.2012
Originally Posted by bigheadmikelove
way to be proud of your thievery... I just wonder if people's parents just don't have the time or energy to raise their children with a sense of morals... I remember one time I stole a sticker off of a pair of airwalk shoes...my dad found out and I took a, well lets just say some child abuse took place ...

lol I do believe my mother has more too worry about than if im pirating music.


In 5 years, no one is gunna pay for music. Hell no one i know is paying for it now. Its the digital age good sir.
Tiara Bastarache
08.01.2012
Originally Posted by DJKeyWee
You torrent, you're a cunt, an asshole, period.

Steal food, gas, electricity while you're so good at it.

Legalize euthanasia for those who decided to create blog, torrent, P2P and Shazam. (ok I know it sound harsh, but... freedom of speech)
Bing, If I manage to ever create a decent song (Learning music theory now & piano now) and get it signed. I'll spend what free time I have away from music hunting down the idiots that have the balls to download my stuff and sue them until they're out on the street.
Latoria Kavulich
08.01.2012
sorry guys gonna close this thread. we do not condone piracy in any form here on djtt so the old for/against argument is pointless. also the discussion is getting a bit bitchy so.

ps. remember directly insulting other members is against community rules, i'll let it slide this time.

/closed
Margie Pavell
08.01.2012
Originally Posted by Dj Kave
lol, more like a very realistic way of looking at it.

Or wait, maybe trends will just reverse themselves, and we'll start buying whole albums again!

Lmao

Spend your money on it if you want too
it's not a realistic way to believe...you have just made it okay in your little brain...

wouldn't you want someone to spend the 99 cents on something that you worked hard on?...

if you are a working DJ and torret most of your music then i have zero respect for you and what you do...

i wish we could ban people for openly endorsing piracy...

you sir are a turd...

PS: and i will continue to spend my money on artists and their tracks that i like...
Lawana Spratlen
08.01.2012
Originally Posted by keithace
that is such a poor argument...
Please explain why?
Lawana Spratlen
08.01.2012
Originally Posted by bigheadmikelove
other than the pirate dvd movies, which in my mind is not a victimless crime, everything else you brought up is victimless crime... I am by no means perfect, but I just can't abide 2 things thieves and liars. And no I don't steal music movies games comics etc etc I don't look at it as sharing and I don't look at it as OK because (as I have seen said as a valid excuse for torrenting copyrighted materials) "I can't afford it, should I be denied the ability to see art also" which in all reality, it's shitty that you can't afford it and don't get to see that specific artwork, but yes, the artists shouldn't make it and have you see it without getting their fee...it's life, I believe sometimes that the work I do (Oilfield construction) is akin to high artwork (Seriously, I'm the fucking Van Gogh of pipe), but I would just quit working if the fruits of my labors weren't making me any money...
They all have their victims!:eek:
Hunter Renslow
08.01.2012
Originally Posted by keithace
i don't know about you...but i used to pay 11 bucks for imports and 6 bucks for domestic...for singles...

99 cents? 1.29? 1.49? no problemo...
^^ This! I spent thousands on vinyl! .99cents to 2,50 or whatever doesn't seem at all bad. Plus Im totally OCD about my music and have to know that I'm getting good sound quality mp3's
Romelia Stankard
08.01.2012
Originally Posted by bigheadmikelove
..

Also SOPA is coming so the internet wild west (for US residents at least) will be coming to an end soon...
Wow a SOPA supporter too?

SOPA won't do anything, it's already been circumvented before it has even been implemented. Anyone installs this and it's like sopa never happened or they just type in an ip address. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/desopa/


If you steal a car, then the owner no longer has a car. If you pirate a song, no theft occurred because it's a copy and the original hasn't been taken- hence copyright infringement and not theft.

Copyright holders frequently refer to copyright infringement as "theft." In copyright law, infringement does not refer to actual theft, but an instance where a person exercises one of the exclusive rights of the copyright holder without authorization.[5] Courts have distinguished between copyright infringement and theft, holding, for instance, in the United States Supreme Court case Dowling v. United States (1985) that bootleg phonorecords did not constitute stolen property and that "interference with copyright does not easily equate with theft, conversion, or fraud. The Copyright Act even employs a separate term of art to define one who misappropriates a copyright... 'an infringer of the copyright.'" In the case of copyright infringement the province guaranteed to the copyright holder by copyright law is invaded, i.e. exclusive rights, but no control, physical or otherwise, is taken over the copyright, nor is the copyright holder wholly deprived of using the copyrighted work or exercising the exclusive rights held.[
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement"]Copyright infringement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
Joie Cantillon
08.01.2012
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Cool story bro.

Piracy is copyright infringement, not theft. If you steal a record from a record store, that's theft. Not that I endorse piracy but calling it theft is just... wrong.
how is copyright infringement not theft...I'm not an educated man, so by all means enlighten me...

Also SOPA is coming so the internet wild west (for US residents at least) will be coming to an end soon...
Valentin Doong
08.01.2012
Originally Posted by bigheadmikelove
Hey, maybe everyone can stop spending money on music...I'm sure that lots of music will keep on being made ...

Sounds like a great idea!!

Haha
Joie Cantillon
08.01.2012
Originally Posted by Dj Kave
lol, more like a very realistic way of looking at it.

Or wait, maybe trends will just reverse themselves, and we'll start buying whole albums again!

Lmao

Spend your money on it if you want too
Hey, maybe everyone can stop spending money on music...I'm sure that lots of music will keep on being made ...
Valentin Doong
08.01.2012
Originally Posted by keithace
what a piece of crap way of believeing...

lol, more like a very realistic way of looking at it.

Or wait, maybe trends will just reverse themselves, and we'll start buying whole albums again!

Lmao

Spend your money on it if you want too
Romelia Stankard
08.01.2012
Originally Posted by bigheadmikelove
you are a fucking thief and a piece of shit on top of it. You realize that you are stealing tools, right?
Cool story bro.

Piracy is copyright infringement, not theft. If you steal a record from a record store, that's theft. Not that I endorse piracy but calling it theft is just... wrong.
Lisa Lochotzki
08.01.2012
^ this ^

And this little thing dare knowing the truth while living in his parent's house... reality will bite young boy.
Margie Pavell
08.01.2012
Originally Posted by Dj Kave
In 5 years, no one is gunna pay for music. Hell no one i know is paying for it now. Its the digital age good sir.
what a piece of crap way of believeing...
Lisa Lochotzki
08.01.2012
cunt
Valentin Doong
08.01.2012
Originally Posted by bigheadmikelove
way to be proud of your thievery... I just wonder if people's parents just don't have the time or energy to raise their children with a sense of morals... I remember one time I stole a sticker off of a pair of airwalk shoes...my dad found out and I took a, well lets just say some child abuse took place ...

lol I do believe my mother has more too worry about than if im pirating music.


In 5 years, no one is gunna pay for music. Hell no one i know is paying for it now. Its the digital age good sir.
Tiara Bastarache
08.01.2012
Originally Posted by DJKeyWee
You torrent, you're a cunt, an asshole, period.

Steal food, gas, electricity while you're so good at it.

Legalize euthanasia for those who decided to create blog, torrent, P2P and Shazam. (ok I know it sound harsh, but... freedom of speech)
Bing, If I manage to ever create a decent song (Learning music theory now & piano now) and get it signed. I'll spend what free time I have away from music hunting down the idiots that have the balls to download my stuff and sue them until they're out on the street.
Kristofer Krauel
08.01.2012
Same here. I remember eating a penny sweet out of a pick and mix without paying and my old man read me the riot act!!

When I first heard Lustral I thought it was the most amazing tune I'd ever heard. I played it over and over!! It can still rock a dance floor now!
Latoria Kavulich
08.01.2012
heheh
Lisa Lochotzki
08.01.2012
You torrent, you're a cunt, an asshole, period.

Steal food, gas, electricity while you're so good at it.

Legalize euthanasia for those who decided to create blog, torrent, P2P and Shazam. (ok I know it sound harsh, but... freedom of speech)
Latoria Kavulich
08.01.2012
All the music i use for recordings and gigs are legit. If you don't at least give the artists that much respect then ..
Joie Cantillon
08.01.2012
Originally Posted by Dj Kave
I pirate all my music.

Bite me.
way to be proud of your thievery... I just wonder if people's parents just don't have the time or energy to raise their children with a sense of morals... I remember one time I stole a sticker off of a pair of airwalk shoes...my dad found out and I took a, well lets just say some child abuse took place ...
Joie Cantillon
08.01.2012
God I wish I would have lived somewhere where there were record stores, I had some local stores, and then the internet sellers later on... and kooper be glad you live in the UK trust me I paid way way more than you for my copy of everytime (the way out west mix was so perfect, I had 2 copies of it, because I fancied myself a live re-edit dj lol, probably more because I only could do that one bit of 'turntablism', extend a break out and I was 2 steps down from craze it's amazing the amount of stuff that can be done today with digital setups with little practice)
Spencer Kilcoyne
08.01.2012
One of the reasons I blog is to have a legitimate way of getting hold of a load of tracks for free - the labels send #em to me. Works for me, I scribble words about the ones I like in return for free tunes, they get exposure ...
Valentin Doong
08.01.2012
I pirate all my music.

Bite me.
Johnsie Kingrea
08.01.2012
I torrent, pay for djcity, and buy on iTunes/Beatport. Since I have started making money from DJing I do try to buy more tunes now. While some of you may disagree I probably won't stop torrenting because the harsh reality is that most DJ's do it. If another DJ is building their library for free and I pay for all mine I will definitely have less to work with.

But I believe the biggest downside of torrenting is it turns you into a hoarder. You blindly download a lot of stuff you don't really need. I've noticed that when I have a beatport coupon or iTunes card i'm much more picky and more critical of what I purchase. I usually end up really pleased with my selection. While torrenting or even DJCity I tend to download something if it sounds "good" but it may not be a great.
Latoria Kavulich
08.01.2012
If i see someone's screen and see "somethingsomethingsomething@blogspot" in the track comments i go back to my drink and jealous indignation lol
Kristofer Krauel
08.01.2012
I paid

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