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A-B mixing is not boring. Posted on: 02.04.2013 by Augustine Mitzen Fact.
Brianne Duvoisin 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by Patch A - B IS boring. It is NOT creative, and it is just plain lazy. It is the epitome of "a little knowledge being a dangerous thing". Don't convince yourself that because you can (almost) beatmatch, and that you understand phrasing, you are a creative being. You are NOT a DJ. I can programme a perfectly mixed A-B set set in Ableton Live that any club/bar could play over their PA in place of paying a DJ. THAT IS WHY DJ's MUST become more creative - to prove they are still required. This is truly the worst thread I have ever laid eyes upon. It will get real ugly, real quick, in here. If you're doing what you're doing to prove something as opposed to what it sounds like in the end then, in my opinion at least, you're missing the point.
Brunilda Kora 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by DubluW Okay, written word doesn't convey the emphasis that speech can on word's here, and no amount of back and forth will solve as such. I don't believe writing is the problem here. READING is. Go back and read what I've written, mate - we're arguing the same point.
Shawn Vanhaitsma 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by DubluW Okay, written word doesn't convey the emphasis that speech can on word's here, and no amount of back and forth will solve as such. I thought it was pretty clear to be honest. I dont care if you have 1000 cue points, go A B A A A B A A B A A, Its still A Bing back and forth to the same track... (they didnt at Ultra.. you hardly see any people do it anymore period anyways) Its still.. one song to the next... ok mashup those cue points and completely destroy the flow I guess thats not boring but it sounds awful. Reading the crowd I still find to be a friggen hilarious comment. You are telling me, the DJ becomes more entertaining because he plays a track you know? Hes still doing the same boring ass thing. Hes just picking music. THats not a performance.. But again to each their own. Lemmings.. To many Lemmings I wonder if people forget Traktor has 4 decks.. especially alot of those Tech House DJs.. If you dont do something creative with that Genre I can actually fall asleep next to the sub woofer
Lillia Datson 01.04.2013	Okay, written word doesn't convey the emphasis that speech can on word's here, and no amount of back and forth will solve as such. I thought it was pretty clear to be honest.
Brunilda Kora 01.04.2013	You're still doing it.
Lillia Datson 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by Patch You're making my point while disagreeing with me, mate... Not quite. Im stating it's how you use you're kit rather the definition of what the kit is on spec. Im sure if you presented 2 decks and mixer to most DJ's, the thing would say is ''I can only mix left to right with this'' Present it to someone (EZ for instance!) who knows it inside and out, and he can can say ''i can tear it on this stuff''
Brunilda Kora 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by DubluW Well that's to you. Obviously if you wanted to break it down to its roots it would go A-B-A-A-B-A-B-A-B-ad infinitum. To me A-B, Left to right, black to white, however you want to phrase it, breaks down into 2 decks and a mixer. If the main strike of this Argument is mixing one track into another at the intro and outro, then yes it can get boring. If it's what can be achieved by the basic kit that's on offer then no it isn't boring. Im now realising this after sticking my foot into DJ'ing an seeing that you can achieve everything that's required and more with basic stuff without mad routines and loads of kit. I just wish i'd been taught this before starting! I haven't been DJ terribly long, however have been clubbing for a while and see that most of the best guys i've seen mixing have 2 decks and a mixer and they kill it. You're making my point while disagreeing with me, mate...
Doreen Schurle 01.04.2013	A-->B mixing is when you wait for one track to end, then hit play on the next track, maybe with a little bit of an overlap. This is NOT to be confused with A-->A+B-->B-->B+A-->A mixing, which is what most decent Trance/House DJs do. Originally Posted by Rukks if you look at dj'ing as a job then you will realize that A-B mixing is way more fun than sitting in a cubicle. Erm, no lol. I got asked to "play some indie/metal" at my weekly residency a little while ago, and for the half hour I spent just waiting for one track to end just to hit play on the next one, I would've rather been ANYWHERE, doing ANYTHING else. Even in the crowd at and listening to a Paris Hilton DJ set.
Lang Abriel 01.04.2013	No need for dj's to read a crowd anymore..... Ableton programmed sets would not work in 90% of the gigs I've played. So even a dj that mixes A-B is still 'entertaining' if hes reading the crowd and using creative blends. I've been to club evening s with A-B mixing that I would much prefer to 8979879873248 beatmash/gater/flanger attempts that confuse the floor and kill a vibe. I believe I will always appreciate a creative blend to gimmicky overused effects. A-B can be boring for the dj, but do dj's really get paid to not be bored....if you look at dj'ing as a job then you will realize that A-B mixing is way more fun than sitting in a cubicle.
Lillia Datson 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by Patch That is definitely NOT the definition of an A- B mix. To me, an A - B mix is just the outro of one song, into the intro of the next song. EZ has got MAD skills. Well that's to you. Obviously if you wanted to break it down to its roots it would go A-B-A-A-B-A-B-A-B-ad infinitum. To me A-B, Left to right, black to white, however you want to phrase it, breaks down into 2 decks and a mixer. If the main strike of this Argument is mixing one track into another at the intro and outro, then yes it can get boring. If it's what can be achieved by the basic kit that's on offer then no it isn't boring. Im now realising this after sticking my foot into DJ'ing an seeing that you can achieve everything that's required and more with basic stuff without mad routines and loads of kit. I just wish i'd been taught this before starting! I haven't been DJ terribly long, however have been clubbing for a while and see that most of the best guys i've seen mixing have 2 decks and a mixer and they kill it.
Brunilda Kora 01.04.2013	A - B is sometimes called "vanilla" mixing. 'Cos it's plain and simple.
Alphonso Deitchman 01.04.2013	All we need now is another Sync thread
Sonja Roybal 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by Patch That is definitely NOT the definition of an A- B mix. To me, an A - B mix is just the outro of one song, into the intro of the next song. EZ has got MAD skills. That's A-B mixing to me. He's a bad man.
Brunilda Kora 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by DubluW Well if by definition of A-B mixing means one deck to the other, then this video proves it certainly isn't boring. That is definitely NOT the definition of an A- B mix. To me, an A - B mix is just the outro of one song, into the intro of the next song. EZ has got MAD skills.
Gaynell Rydberg 01.04.2013	I don't believe it's necessarily boring. There's a lot of different approaches to DJing. You have Laidback Luke who does really complex mixing and then Armin van Buuren who does more simple A->B mixing but it really is like a journey.
Alla Bluemke 01.04.2013	I actually kinda disagree only to an extent. A-B sucks when its like the last 30 seconds mixing all the time. I prefer creativity too. But very long mixes A-B can be quite good. Having a mix constructed to play for 2+ minutes and two songs are playing simultaneously working to create something unique can take a good amount of skill to make it sound good. Of course with more decks this can goes beyond A-B, but thats in essence what Cox does and many others.
Brunilda Kora 01.04.2013	DJ's aren't necessary the same way that live bands/artists aren't "necessary". The DMC's are about showcasing what you CAN do in a limited time. Having to squeeze all you skills techniques into a 3 or 6min routine is hard. But spread those techniques across a 90min mix, and THEN compare THAT to an A-B, and you suddenly see what a DJ SHOULD be...
Lillia Datson 01.04.2013	http://boilerroom.tv/dj-ez-45-min-mix/ Well if by definition of A-B mixing means one deck to the other, then this video proves it certainly isn't boring. There is a break down somewhere of what EZ is doing here but i forget where it is, but as far as i can tell, there is nothing more going on here than 2 channels on a mixer and 2 CDJ's and he absolutely kills it and uses the tech he has to it's full potential without a million pieces of kit.
Dedra Kreinbring 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by b1sh0p DJs aren't necessary. Accept it. Nobody wants to see some crazy routine. Have you ever been to a DMC? Half the people are bored and there are no girls. People want to dance. DJs aren't musicians. They play music. I kind of agree. I don't believe DJs are necessary, but I also believe they are a great asset for a bar or a club. But again, agree on DMC
Sonja Roybal 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by Patch A - B IS boring. It is NOT creative, and it is just plain lazy. It is the epitome of "a little knowledge being a dangerous thing". Don't convince yourself that because you can (almost) beatmatch, and that you understand phrasing, you are a creative being. You are NOT a DJ. I can programme a perfectly mixed A-B set set in Ableton Live that any club/bar could play over their PA in place of paying a DJ. THAT IS WHY DJ's MUST become more creative - to prove they are still required. This is truly the worst thread I have ever laid eyes upon. It will get real ugly, real quick, in here. DJs aren't necessary. Accept it. Nobody wants to see some crazy routine. Have you ever been to a DMC? Half the people are bored and there are no girls. People want to dance. DJs aren't musicians. They play music.
Dedra Kreinbring 01.04.2013	A-B mixing is not boring for the average club patron. A-B mixing (IMO) is boring for the DJ and for a crowd paying to see a specific DJ.
Doreen Schurle 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by johney Fact. Sell your gear now. Or just donate it to someone who actually gives a shit about DJing.
Meaghan Machold 01.04.2013	/thread; delete
Shawn Vanhaitsma 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by Patch A - B IS boring. It is not creative, and it is just plain lazy. It is the epitome of "a little knowledge being a dangerous thing". I can programme a perfectly mixed A-B set set in Ableton Live that any club/bar could play over their PA in place of paying a DJ. THAT IS WHY DJ's MUST become more creative - to prove they are still required. This is truly the worst thread I have ever laid eyes upon. +1 Been saying this for years. But when people keep getting 300 dollar a evening gigs with their prerecorded sets, 13 song 1 hour mixes, its just not going to die as fast as we want
Brunilda Kora 01.04.2013	A - B IS boring. It is NOT creative, and it is just plain lazy. It is the epitome of "a little knowledge being a dangerous thing". Don't convince yourself that because you can (almost) beatmatch, and that you understand phrasing, you are a creative being. You are NOT a DJ. I can programme a perfectly mixed A-B set set in Ableton Live that any club/bar could play over their PA in place of paying a DJ. THAT IS WHY DJ's MUST become more creative - to prove they are still required. This is truly the worst thread I have ever laid eyes upon. It will get real ugly, real quick, in here.
Shawn Vanhaitsma 01.04.2013	Originally Posted by Audeo Well, I believe it is boring. If it doesn't contain over 9000 hotcues, samples, crab scratches and at least a few air horns, it'll bore me. And I don't have ADHD. That had to be sarcastic... but it truely does bore me.... 3 minute song, mix to the next... 3 minute song.. mix to the next... What exactly then did you buy those crazy technics for.. cdjs or the 2500 mac book pro to do... To each their own. I hope it dies very soon and people understand that to be entertaining.. you need to entertain.. and .. Do something. Even top name DJs say A B mixing is boring and the consumer over glorifies what they are actually doing up there. Carl Cox, Richie Hawtin... scene needs more artists like that.. IE: ones who take advantage of their 4k dollar setups.
Venetta Cawyer 02.04.2013	Well, I believe it is boring. If it doesn't contain over 9000 hotcues, samples, crab scratches and at least a few air horns, it'll bore me. And I don't have ADHD.
Augustine Mitzen 02.04.2013	Originally Posted by Audeo Great thread. I'm amazed. Or is this a very complex April Fools? i'm 100% serious
Debera Renkes 02.04.2013	I like how you conveyed your argument. Really convincing.
Venetta Cawyer 02.04.2013	Great thread. I'm amazed. Or is this a very complex April Fools?

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