A-B mixing is not boring.

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A-B mixing is not boring.
Posted on: 02.04.2013 by Augustine Mitzen
Fact.
Antonetta Wikel
02.04.2013
Originally Posted by balakoth
I could.. sounds like low standards of excellence to me
Seeing a lot of talk, let's hear a mix from your highness.
Shawn Vanhaitsma
02.04.2013
Originally Posted by dj subculture
THIS.

I couldn't have said it any better.
I could.. sounds like low standards of excellence to me
Fannie Ohayre
01.04.2013
Originally Posted by Zer0beet
Shit man,
who the fuck cares if you're mixing A-B? As long as you're making the crowd, whoever hired you, and yourself happy, then why the fuck does it really matter? Seriously!
THIS.

I couldn't have said it any better.
Shawn Vanhaitsma
01.04.2013
Originally Posted by Zer0beet
Shit man,
who the fuck cares if you're mixing A-B? As long as you're making the crowd, whoever hired you, and yourself happy, then why the fuck does it really matter? Seriously!
Because A / B Mixing the whole evening doesnt make me happy? lol
Lang Abriel
01.04.2013
Originally Posted by loverocket
I believe you mean A ---> A+B ----> B

Please don't tell me you believe you are a remixer on the decks. If you were a good remixer you would be remixing in the studio.

These professional producers mixdown and master a track and 90% of the time a DJ will ruin it by messing with it instead of just letting it play.

Don't be that guy.

>
+1

There are obviously times when additional decks are necessary and effects are useful but to expect someone to not do A-B mixing during a set is ridiculous...even some of the top dj's that use effects/looping/3rd decks for transitions do not sustain it for the entire evening , if they do then it is a set they have extensively practiced and played at multiple gigs.

Its fine when ppl state that it is boring but I can almost guarantee that those ppl are not out there getting gigs while playing 3/4 decks all evening ...if you were, and it sounded good, and an audience was loving it, then you would not have time to be posting on here...you would be planning your next evening where you get paid 10k. Go make a youtube video routine to prove that you are not a boring dj...many ppl have the capability and do.
Jerica Salava
01.04.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
A-->B mixing is when you wait for one track to end, then hit play on the next track, maybe with a little bit of an overlap.

This is NOT to be confused with A-->A+B-->B-->B+A-->A mixing, which is what most decent Trance/House DJs do.
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I believe you mean A ---> A+B ----> B

Please don't tell me you believe you are a remixer on the decks. If you were a good remixer you would be remixing in the studio.

These professional producers mixdown and master a track and 90% of the time a DJ will ruin it by messing with it instead of just letting it play.

Don't be that guy.

>
Jerica Salava
01.04.2013
Originally Posted by city_boy07

Nothing beats having a audience bouncing to your mixin wether it be a-b or abcdefg mixing!
+1 ^

>
Lanie Priske
01.04.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
A-->B mixing is when you wait for one track to end, then hit play on the next track, maybe with a little bit of an overlap.

This is NOT to be confused with A-->A+B-->B-->B+A-->A mixing, which is what most decent Trance/House DJs do.



Erm, no lol. I got asked to "play some indie/metal" at my weekly residency a little while ago, and for the half hour I spent just waiting for one track to end just to hit play on the next one, I would've rather been ANYWHERE, doing ANYTHING else. Even in the crowd at and listening to a Paris Hilton DJ set.
I am a house DJ and you couldnt have summed it up any better
Gaynell Rydberg
01.04.2013
Originally Posted by westlake10
This applies mostly when mixing pop/rap/rock (or any music with vocals for that matter) but I believe that people enjoy hearing the songs they love and singing along with them. When DJs make the audience feel like they can't sing along with the vocals because they are suddenly being beatmashed or otherwise disturbed, they lose their excitement and energy. DJs shouldn't be overly self-indulgent
Even some EDM songs shouldn't be overly beatmashed and whatnot. I'd very much let a trance or electro house song play out with minor effects than have it absolutely destroyed by effects.
Georgie Lukowiak
01.04.2013
Originally Posted by Patch
A - B IS boring. It is NOT creative, and it is just plain lazy. It is the epitome of "a little knowledge being a dangerous thing".
But having deck C - D playing random percussion loops on top of A&B that don't fit in isn't boring?
Doreen Schurle
01.04.2013
Originally Posted by johney
your post didn't seem relevant to my statement.

and while you're on about posting stupid shit... you posted a lot of uninformed crap in the past.
Sure it did. If you believe A-B mixing isn't boring, you're clearly a piss-poor excuse for a "DJ". And everyone else in this thread seems to agree with me tbh.
Latoria Kavulich
02.04.2013
tldr
/closed
Antonetta Wikel
02.04.2013
Originally Posted by balakoth
I could.. sounds like low standards of excellence to me
Seeing a lot of talk, let's hear a mix from your highness.
Gaynell Rydberg
02.04.2013
It's a matter of personal preference.

I very much prefer Armin's A->B mixing as opposed to Laidback Luke's 4 deck mixing.
Shawn Vanhaitsma
02.04.2013
Originally Posted by dj subculture
THIS.

I couldn't have said it any better.
I could.. sounds like low standards of excellence to me
Fannie Ohayre
01.04.2013
Originally Posted by Zer0beet
Shit man,
who the fuck cares if you're mixing A-B? As long as you're making the crowd, whoever hired you, and yourself happy, then why the fuck does it really matter? Seriously!
THIS.

I couldn't have said it any better.
Shawn Vanhaitsma
01.04.2013
Originally Posted by Zer0beet
Shit man,
who the fuck cares if you're mixing A-B? As long as you're making the crowd, whoever hired you, and yourself happy, then why the fuck does it really matter? Seriously!
Because A / B Mixing the whole evening doesnt make me happy? lol
Benjamin Sieh
01.04.2013
Shit man,
who the fuck cares if you're mixing A-B? As long as you're making the crowd, whoever hired you, and yourself happy, then why the fuck does it really matter? Seriously!
Lang Abriel
01.04.2013
Originally Posted by loverocket
I believe you mean A ---> A+B ----> B

Please don't tell me you believe you are a remixer on the decks. If you were a good remixer you would be remixing in the studio.

These professional producers mixdown and master a track and 90% of the time a DJ will ruin it by messing with it instead of just letting it play.

Don't be that guy.

>
+1

There are obviously times when additional decks are necessary and effects are useful but to expect someone to not do A-B mixing during a set is ridiculous...even some of the top dj's that use effects/looping/3rd decks for transitions do not sustain it for the entire evening , if they do then it is a set they have extensively practiced and played at multiple gigs.

Its fine when ppl state that it is boring but I can almost guarantee that those ppl are not out there getting gigs while playing 3/4 decks all evening ...if you were, and it sounded good, and an audience was loving it, then you would not have time to be posting on here...you would be planning your next evening where you get paid 10k. Go make a youtube video routine to prove that you are not a boring dj...many ppl have the capability and do.
Jerica Salava
01.04.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
A-->B mixing is when you wait for one track to end, then hit play on the next track, maybe with a little bit of an overlap.

This is NOT to be confused with A-->A+B-->B-->B+A-->A mixing, which is what most decent Trance/House DJs do.
.
I believe you mean A ---> A+B ----> B

Please don't tell me you believe you are a remixer on the decks. If you were a good remixer you would be remixing in the studio.

These professional producers mixdown and master a track and 90% of the time a DJ will ruin it by messing with it instead of just letting it play.

Don't be that guy.

>
Jerica Salava
01.04.2013
Originally Posted by city_boy07

Nothing beats having a audience bouncing to your mixin wether it be a-b or abcdefg mixing!
+1 ^

>
Lanie Priske
01.04.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
A-->B mixing is when you wait for one track to end, then hit play on the next track, maybe with a little bit of an overlap.

This is NOT to be confused with A-->A+B-->B-->B+A-->A mixing, which is what most decent Trance/House DJs do.



Erm, no lol. I got asked to "play some indie/metal" at my weekly residency a little while ago, and for the half hour I spent just waiting for one track to end just to hit play on the next one, I would've rather been ANYWHERE, doing ANYTHING else. Even in the crowd at and listening to a Paris Hilton DJ set.
I am a house DJ and you couldnt have summed it up any better
Sonja Roybal
01.04.2013
I believe a lot of us have different definitions of A>B mixing. Honestly, who just lets tunes play out without properly blending them? I believe some conversations I read tend to be lost in translation based on what genre you usually play. I only post from the drum and bass perspective. In that genre, things like double drops are huge, which is A>B mixing. The music is too active to start doing crazy cue dropping, effects and sampling though. I would like to believe the tunes I play speak for themselves and, in a way, it's kind of disrespectful to go crazy fucking around on somebody else's production. Have some respect for the music you're playing.

To me, that DJ EZ mix was A>B mixing. He's busy and active, but not doing some routine.
Gaynell Rydberg
01.04.2013
Originally Posted by westlake10
This applies mostly when mixing pop/rap/rock (or any music with vocals for that matter) but I believe that people enjoy hearing the songs they love and singing along with them. When DJs make the audience feel like they can't sing along with the vocals because they are suddenly being beatmashed or otherwise disturbed, they lose their excitement and energy. DJs shouldn't be overly self-indulgent
Even some EDM songs shouldn't be overly beatmashed and whatnot. I'd very much let a trance or electro house song play out with minor effects than have it absolutely destroyed by effects.
Kellie Myrum
01.04.2013
Same on using C and D as Isolator decks?
Georgie Lukowiak
01.04.2013
Originally Posted by Patch
A - B IS boring. It is NOT creative, and it is just plain lazy. It is the epitome of "a little knowledge being a dangerous thing".
But having deck C - D playing random percussion loops on top of A&B that don't fit in isn't boring?
Danuta Keyton
01.04.2013
This applies mostly when mixing pop/rap/rock (or any music with vocals for that matter) but I believe that people enjoy hearing the songs they love and singing along with them. When DJs make the audience feel like they can't sing along with the vocals because they are suddenly being beatmashed or otherwise disturbed, they lose their excitement and energy. DJs shouldn't be overly self-indulgent
Kellie Myrum
01.04.2013
A - B mixing is something that radio DJs do and definitely how dance/house music is supposed to be play not to get crowd boring cause they want to hear whole tune and sing/dance to it before another mix in.
Doreen Schurle
01.04.2013
Originally Posted by johney
your post didn't seem relevant to my statement.

and while you're on about posting stupid shit... you posted a lot of uninformed crap in the past.
Sure it did. If you believe A-B mixing isn't boring, you're clearly a piss-poor excuse for a "DJ". And everyone else in this thread seems to agree with me tbh.
Hayden Raugh
01.04.2013
Handbags away lads!!! Jheeze

I believe this is more down to who your playin to!!

At the majority of my gigs, it's 2 channels on the mixer and I have to mix between them, do I get bored? Not really I use loops and samples to add a different dimension to the transitions and don't wait to just mix a intro into a outro! But non the less this is a-b mixing inn my opinion.

At home I do a lot more creative things, rmx decks, Maschine incorporation, 4 deck mixing!! Is it more fun then when I'm doing my a-b mixing ??? Just marginally!! Why because if I did all that fancy shit in the club ppl would hate it they want to hear what they kno/like even at the most underground evening s!!!

Nothing beats having a audience bouncing to your mixin wether it be a-b or abcdefg mixing!
Augustine Mitzen
01.04.2013
your post didn't seem relevant to my statement.

and while you're on about posting stupid shit... you posted a lot of uninformed crap in the past.
Doreen Schurle
01.04.2013
Originally Posted by johney
How is that EZ boiler room set not A-B mixing?

and mdcdesign, please shutup (re: your post on 1st page)
Don't make stupid threads, and then people won't bitch at you. Simples.
Augustine Mitzen
01.04.2013
How is that EZ boiler room set not A-B mixing?

and mdcdesign, please shutup (re: your post on 1st page)
Shawn Vanhaitsma
01.04.2013
Originally Posted by DubluW
I believe if you watch that video of EZ he definitely doesn't kill the flow, despite juggling between 2 different songs. He cue juggles in one song whilst changing a CD into the other and within a couple of bars he's back into a new song on the other deck! He doesn't need 4 decks!

And yes, if a DJ can drop a well known snippet of a classic track in to his mix before going into another and making it sound fresh then it is entertaining.
We just have different tastes in Music Dublu.. because i watched the video.. and to me it ruined the flow and the fader work and cue juggling sounded awful to me.. but again its all a matter of taste
Shawn Vanhaitsma
01.04.2013
Originally Posted by jakeintox
Seems like a lot of people are missing the point of being a dj. The dj exists to play music to entertain an audience. 99 percent of audiences just want to dance to songs they know, and if you can put those songs together in a way that keeps the energy flowing in the room, you are djing, whether your mix is simple or complex.

Transitioning from one song to another is only as boring as you make it, and feeling the entire crowd's energy surge from a simple A-B transition means more to me than a few other "djs" appreciating how difficult I can make something.

As a DJ it's your job to make love to your audience, not just masturbate in front of them. Have fun, but make sure you do what you need to do to get them off, too!

No i believe alot of us just mock what a DJ is.. and don't understand what the amazing Fad is :"P We all love music so make it.. do your own hard work not profit off of someone elses because you can play the Beatport top 100 :P
Ethel Feigum
01.04.2013
Seems like a lot of people are missing the point of being a dj. The dj exists to play music to entertain an audience. 99 percent of audiences just want to dance to songs they know, and if you can put those songs together in a way that keeps the energy flowing in the room, you are djing, whether your mix is simple or complex.

Transitioning from one song to another is only as boring as you make it, and feeling the entire crowd's energy surge from a simple A-B transition means more to me than a few other "djs" appreciating how difficult I can make something.

As a DJ it's your job to make love to your audience, not just masturbate in front of them. Have fun, but make sure you do what you need to do to get them off, too!
Lillia Datson
01.04.2013
Originally Posted by balakoth
I dont care if you have 1000 cue points, go A B A A A B A A B A A, Its still A Bing back and forth to the same track... (they didnt at Ultra.. you hardly see any people do it anymore period anyways) Its still.. one song to the next... ok mashup those cue points and completely destroy the flow I guess thats not boring but it sounds awful.

Reading the crowd I still find to be a friggen hilarious comment. You are telling me, the DJ becomes more entertaining because he plays a track you know? Hes still doing the same boring ass thing. Hes just picking music. THats not a performance.. But again to each their own. Lemmings.. To many Lemmings

I wonder if people forget Traktor has 4 decks.. especially alot of those Tech House DJs.. If you dont do something creative with that Genre I can actually fall asleep next to the sub woofer
I believe if you watch that video of EZ he definitely doesn't kill the flow, despite juggling between 2 different songs. He cue juggles in one song whilst changing a CD into the other and within a couple of bars he's back into a new song on the other deck! He doesn't need 4 decks!

And yes, if a DJ can drop a well known snippet of a classic track in to his mix before going into another and making it sound fresh then it is entertaining.
Lillia Datson
01.04.2013
Originally Posted by Patch
I don't believe writing is the problem here. READING is. Go back and read what I've written, mate - we're arguing the same point.
Aaaaah do you mean the video is not the defintion of A-B mixing? Then yes, i'll agree with you there! Whilst he is using fairly basic stuff to achieve an awesome sound, he isnt just mixing left to right.
Brunilda Kora
01.04.2013
If you're doing what you're doing to prove something as opposed to what it sounds like in the end then, in my opinion at least, you're missing the point.
That's the whole point. Overdoing it (samples/glitches/"plooping"/FX) is just as bad as under-doing it.

A - B mixing IS under-doing it. Playing it TOO safe. Not challenging yourself. It's at the opposite end of the spectrum to over-doing it.

There's a MASSIVE area in the middle of the spectrum where talented, knowledgeable DJ's live and perform. That's where we all should be aiming to be.
Shawn Vanhaitsma
01.04.2013
What it sounds like in the end? It sounds like 15 tracks mixed together for an hour. Its like Pandora, with rockier transitions :P

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