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Mixed in key worth it?
Posted on: 11.04.2013 by Trista Karle
Purchased mixed in key. Analyzed 3000 tracks took 36hours. Well finally decided to test the harmonic tagging I based a 1hour set purely on harmonic progression based on how mixed in key analyzed it.
Lets see if I can remember how to embed soundcloud links.

http://soundcloud.com/mosesgonzales/serato-recording-4

http://soundcloud.com/mosesgonzales/serato-recording-4


I believe it did quite well on it. I found some of the more melodic tracks it did far better one. You will notice some tracks a 2 to 3min mix sounds way more harmonically sound then otherS. I believe I started at 2A and went up to 8 or 9 then back down
Ngoc Ninow
13.04.2013
Originally Posted by bassgoesmeow
Quick question. I've had MIK for awhile now and have never used it. I know, I know. Just finished analyzing all my tracks. Now what? Do I need to re-import all my songs into iTunes, or will iTunes already know what's up?
It's a bit glitchy sometimes a d you might have to select and click get info, or sometimes just selecting the track and playing it will refresh the data. I believe it can depend which version of iTunes you are running and on what platform. I've found it much more reliable on my mac.
Trista Karle
13.04.2013
Originally Posted by Nicky H
I believe you've missed my point - it has nothing to do with how long you've been mixing.

Your question "Mixed in key worth it?" is personal to you, only you can answer it.
I DIdnt miss it. I am meaning that I'm not looking to use mixed in key to advance my set but more so to be able to just blindly mix and it accomplishes that so yes it's worth it if for no other reason then my own entertainment
Janyce Henningson
13.04.2013
Originally Posted by lucidstrings
If I was new to music that statement would be good but seeing how I have never based a mix on key progression in the past 13 years and have always gone on what I believe sounds good base on my ears. I merely wanted to see if it was reliable enough to base a mix soley on what it has told me is the key. Which I believe it is fairly accurate likely enough to blindly trust it
I believe you've missed my point - it has nothing to do with how long you've been mixing.

Your question "Mixed in key worth it?" is personal to you, only you can answer it.
Trista Karle
12.04.2013
Originally Posted by Jester
for genres like minimal, tech house etc harmonic mixing is irrelevant as you are just mixing in the intro/outro beats for the most part. in my experience it is most useful with progressive house, progressive trance, psytrance etc.
mixed in key is still a great app, but if it still has that stupid "needs to be online" feature, thats a bunch of bullshit. i'm using ibsh' keyfinder as it is 10x quicker and just as, if not more accurate.
there is a comparison article on the blog comparing some of these apps.
Agreed about intro and outro mixing
Ngoc Ninow
12.04.2013
Originally Posted by DJ G-REG
I bought MIK before Traktor 2.61 came out and I believe it is worth it. I use it to for finding the key and BPM that way I can organize my playlist in iTunes before importing to Traktor. I also like to compare the BPM from MIK to Traktor to be sure it is correct since Traktor does not always get it right.
Probably should have included this in my reply as well, the fact tha it re-writes the tags for you and allows you to customise how you do it is a massive bonus; I have smart playlists set up on my iTunes so each key has its own playlist and they "live update" so once its analysed, it goes in the right playlist. This is also good with the bridge function on Rekordbox as you can mooch through tracks really quickly instead of just using the sort function on the lists.
Trista Karle
13.04.2013
I k ow in serato you have to load the track or just re analyze also make sure you have set to auto write to key field I do not remember if it defaulted it.


Also sorry that post came off cunty I appreciate hat you were meaning about checking how much it changed my idea of track selection. Indeed it does to som extent. But I hardly pre plan a set and almost always don't know the track in going to play next till right before I play it.
Ngoc Ninow
13.04.2013
Originally Posted by bassgoesmeow
Quick question. I've had MIK for awhile now and have never used it. I know, I know. Just finished analyzing all my tracks. Now what? Do I need to re-import all my songs into iTunes, or will iTunes already know what's up?
It's a bit glitchy sometimes a d you might have to select and click get info, or sometimes just selecting the track and playing it will refresh the data. I believe it can depend which version of iTunes you are running and on what platform. I've found it much more reliable on my mac.
Trista Karle
13.04.2013
Originally Posted by Nicky H
I believe you've missed my point - it has nothing to do with how long you've been mixing.

Your question "Mixed in key worth it?" is personal to you, only you can answer it.
I DIdnt miss it. I am meaning that I'm not looking to use mixed in key to advance my set but more so to be able to just blindly mix and it accomplishes that so yes it's worth it if for no other reason then my own entertainment
Joya Heiberg
13.04.2013
Quick question. I've had MIK for awhile now and have never used it. I know, I know. Just finished analyzing all my tracks. Now what? Do I need to re-import all my songs into iTunes, or will iTunes already know what's up?
Janyce Henningson
13.04.2013
Originally Posted by lucidstrings
If I was new to music that statement would be good but seeing how I have never based a mix on key progression in the past 13 years and have always gone on what I believe sounds good base on my ears. I merely wanted to see if it was reliable enough to base a mix soley on what it has told me is the key. Which I believe it is fairly accurate likely enough to blindly trust it
I believe you've missed my point - it has nothing to do with how long you've been mixing.

Your question "Mixed in key worth it?" is personal to you, only you can answer it.
Trista Karle
12.04.2013
Originally Posted by Jester
for genres like minimal, tech house etc harmonic mixing is irrelevant as you are just mixing in the intro/outro beats for the most part. in my experience it is most useful with progressive house, progressive trance, psytrance etc.
mixed in key is still a great app, but if it still has that stupid "needs to be online" feature, thats a bunch of bullshit. i'm using ibsh' keyfinder as it is 10x quicker and just as, if not more accurate.
there is a comparison article on the blog comparing some of these apps.
Agreed about intro and outro mixing
Latoria Kavulich
12.04.2013
for genres like minimal, tech house etc harmonic mixing is irrelevant as you are just mixing in the intro/outro beats for the most part. in my experience it is most useful with progressive house, progressive trance, psytrance etc.
mixed in key is still a great app, but if it still has that stupid "needs to be online" feature, thats a bunch of bullshit. i'm using ibsh' keyfinder as it is 10x quicker and just as, if not more accurate.
there is a comparison article on the blog comparing some of these apps.
Trista Karle
12.04.2013
If I was new to music that statement would be good but seeing how I have never based a mix on key progression in the past 13 years and have always gone on what I believe sounds good base on my ears. I merely wanted to see if it was reliable enough to base a mix soley on what it has told me is the key. Which I believe it is fairly accurate likely enough to blindly trust it
Janyce Henningson
12.04.2013
The problem with a test like this is you can't say if you would have mixed the same tracks together before you knew the key.

Do a mix without using MIK, then analyse your tracks - see if it follows MIK.

Then you can decide if it's worth it.
Elmer Kindinger
12.04.2013
I've been using it for a while now, even tho my TSP is up to date I still run everything through MIK before even putting it in my iTunes library.
Trista Karle
12.04.2013
Thanks for the comment on the set.

I too randomly play tracks I do not pre plan at all. Most planning I do is oh I rt x track would sound good now or oh this would fit this mood great. About as much planning as I do.

Funny thing I now will sort by key and since know a fair bit of music theory can do more then gradual progression while still being harmonic. I find its great because I now can just pick a key and start ... I am going to try one this weekend going from 1 to 12 and seeing how well it goes.
Ideally will go up and down a few times multi genre see what happens


Here is a 2 hour set I did using key partially to determine the track selection and since it is longer it spans more genres

http://soundcloud.com/mosesgonzales/serato-recording-2
Ngoc Ninow
12.04.2013
Originally Posted by DJ G-REG
I bought MIK before Traktor 2.61 came out and I believe it is worth it. I use it to for finding the key and BPM that way I can organize my playlist in iTunes before importing to Traktor. I also like to compare the BPM from MIK to Traktor to be sure it is correct since Traktor does not always get it right.
Probably should have included this in my reply as well, the fact tha it re-writes the tags for you and allows you to customise how you do it is a massive bonus; I have smart playlists set up on my iTunes so each key has its own playlist and they "live update" so once its analysed, it goes in the right playlist. This is also good with the bridge function on Rekordbox as you can mooch through tracks really quickly instead of just using the sort function on the lists.
Sonja Roybal
12.04.2013
The best thing that key analysis ever did for me was opened my eyes to tracks that I never thought would work, but do. I would have never thought this really hard banger might actually sound good mixed out of a chilled, more melodic tune. Also, I play pretty randomly and don't plan mixes. It's changed the way I sort though tunes. I know sort by key instead of tune/artist.
Wilson Durrum
12.04.2013
I bought MIK before Traktor 2.61 came out and I believe it is worth it. I use it to for finding the key and BPM that way I can organize my playlist in iTunes before importing to Traktor. I also like to compare the BPM from MIK to Traktor to be sure it is correct since Traktor does not always get it right.
Farrah Manygoats
12.04.2013
It does seem pretty slow... I'd like to just use Traktors key detection, but is it really that inaccurate? I know it's a recent addition to Traktor, but 50%?
Lannie Kutay
12.04.2013
i believe its worth it, it is quick and tags very cleanly, and quite accurate.

btw man that mix was really good, enjoyed listening to it at work.
Christiana Ercolani
12.04.2013
I love harmonic mixing. Ever since I started, it's like it allows you to make your own original mashups on the fly. And they don't just sound "mashed up", they actually sound GOOD!
Alphonso Deitchman
12.04.2013
Originally Posted by ThinAir
I believe MIK is great, and was worth the money for me as traktor hadn't introduced key analysis when I bought it (either that or I stilil hadn't figured it out!). I find it to be accurate and makes my sets a lot more interesting and dynamic, being able to mix harmonically, but as the post above mentions, its definitely worth knowing your way around some simple music theory (I.e the circle of fifths), unless you have perfect pitch, or relative pitch, in which case I am very envious?

Does anyone in here have perfect/relative pitch?
I have perfect pitch...but my music theory sucks
Trista Karle
12.04.2013
Originally Posted by Jester
from a djtt member. free, awesome http://www.ibrahimshaath.co.uk/keyfinder
Ill give this a shot sometime looks interesting.
I have never found the need to use key finder software just wanted to try one see if it would fit in my workflow. I do find I look at the key field and maybe not let it determine what I mix next but definitely influences my choice
Ngoc Ninow
12.04.2013
Originally Posted by elmgroove
In my experience, Traktor probably gets it right about 50% of the time - and I've never used MIK.

What I normally do when importing a track is let the program analyze it. Then I'll play the song and grab my guitar (or piano, etc, whatever works for you), and play that chord with the song. If it sounds incorrect, I'll try to figure it out on my own. Also, if the track is available on Beatport, I'll also check to see what they have set as the key. I've noticed Beatport to be very accurate.

Also, when I'm doing this, I'll switch the key display from "Open Key" to "Musical" (I believe you can find this under Analyze Options under Traktor config, or something like that), just because it's a little easier to play a Cm on a guitar or piano rather than a 5m, or whatever it is hah.

This all takes a little bit of knowledge of music theory, but it's pretty basic but does help ensure accuracy. And hey, you're working with music anyway, it's always good to brush up on the basics!
I believe MIK is great, and was worth the money for me as traktor hadn't introduced key analysis when I bought it (either that or I stilil hadn't figured it out!). I find it to be accurate and makes my sets a lot more interesting and dynamic, being able to mix harmonically, but as the post above mentions, its definitely worth knowing your way around some simple music theory (I.e the circle of fifths), unless you have perfect pitch, or relative pitch, in which case I am very envious?

Does anyone in here have perfect/relative pitch?
Christiana Ercolani
12.04.2013
In my experience, Traktor probably gets it right about 50% of the time - and I've never used MIK.

What I normally do when importing a track is let the program analyze it. Then I'll play the song and grab my guitar (or piano, etc, whatever works for you), and play that chord with the song. If it sounds incorrect, I'll try to figure it out on my own. Also, if the track is available on Beatport, I'll also check to see what they have set as the key. I've noticed Beatport to be very accurate.

Also, when I'm doing this, I'll switch the key display from "Open Key" to "Musical" (I believe you can find this under Analyze Options under Traktor config, or something like that), just because it's a little easier to play a Cm on a guitar or piano rather than a 5m, or whatever it is hah.

This all takes a little bit of knowledge of music theory, but it's pretty basic but does help ensure accuracy. And hey, you're working with music anyway, it's always good to brush up on the basics!
Emelina Paglia
12.04.2013
It's useful to have, but not worth paying for.

I find that most DJ softwares are not really reliable when it comes to analyzing tracks and finding which key they're in. It's wrong half the time, from my past experiences anyway. I don't use DJ softwares anymore, so I decided to try "mixed in key" as an alternative and I like it, but on beatport it gives you the key of the song. lol
Latoria Kavulich
12.04.2013
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
do you use it?
yes! got rid of mik ages ago bruv
Isa Erik
12.04.2013
MIK worth it? No.
Harmonic mixing? Yes. Just use Traktor or the FREE KeyFinder.
Matt Kane
12.04.2013
Originally Posted by Jester
from a djtt member. free, awesome http://www.ibrahimshaath.co.uk/keyfinder
do you use it?
Latoria Kavulich
12.04.2013
from a djtt member. free, awesome http://www.ibrahimshaath.co.uk/keyfinder
Trista Karle
11.04.2013
Yes Internet connection required. I honesty have always just used y ears to gauge the comparability of tracks but I wanted to see if it was good enough to e able to blindly build a set and progress it and Bring it back by issuing just the key analyzation. Of the software in my mind it can be that accurate. My next test is going to be usuing it to build a country set just to see if I can do an hour of it.
Albertina Fay
11.04.2013
Originally Posted by lucidstrings
Edit I've spent 60bones on a lot worse things
agreed.
Rena Estabrook
11.04.2013
I believe it's worth it.
Alphonso Deitchman
11.04.2013
Doesn't it require an internet connection too? Traktor analyzes keys fairly fast and it can be combined with standard gridding/waveform analysis.
Trista Karle
11.04.2013
Edit I've spent 60bones on a lot worse things so for my Stand point was worth it for my own curiosity lol it's not too shabby just slow detection ad hate how it try's to sell you their other aoftware
Trista Karle
11.04.2013
I have traktor and serato I don't use traktor much though enjoy the simplicity of serato I don't sync beatgrid quant snap anything I basically use it how I used to mix vinyl only difference is har wave forms bpm display and now key which is meh I have yet to listen to the set I posted usually I throw my sets on my phone and listen when doing yard work or washing vehicles or working late and then tear apart every eq turn and slight mistake.

I did not know the newest iterations of traktor had key detection built in. Maybe ill update since fairly certain I am still using first release after remix decks were added.

Really should use it more I have all my midi devices mapped into a super map but the remix decks pissed me off terribly bad so haven't used for a while. Likely been 8monthd since I did a set in traktor
Albertina Fay
11.04.2013
I was going to purchase MIK, but after Traktor included it in their software, I didn't believe it was worth it.

Update: N/M. just saw you used Serato.
Jorge Furber
11.04.2013
I find it worth it. It's part of my routine when I buy music and 99% of the time, it's accurate.
Alphonso Deitchman
11.04.2013
Most DJ software has key analysis built in, and there are decent free apps out there too. So I'd have to say, not worth it.

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