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Hawtin Laptop Goes Down --- No back up?
Posted on: 15.04.2013 by Julissa Serrone
http://pulseradio.net/articles/2013/...-richie-hawtin
Elvis Woodis
16.04.2013
Originally Posted by balakoth
Richie Hawtin and Carl Cox are theo nly people who can get me into Tech House, Minimal .. because how they layer it with 3 to 4 decks.. its no longer boring as snot.
Ridiculous comment.

Think you'll find the majority of techno djs now do this...Chris Liebing, Beyer, Len Faki etc. It's not uncommon to layer and mash up the techno tracks.

Even Loco Dice does this. He creates his own breaks by using a delay/reverb effect via a pedal on the floor.

Richie and Carl are definitely not the only ones who do this.
Shawn Vanhaitsma
16.04.2013
Originally Posted by KS2
I agree with others who say he should have just had an SD card and played some tracks the regular way. Most people wouldn't notice or care. In fact I'd be more interested in seeing that as it'd be something different.
To me, this comes off as if youve never seen Richie Hawtin.

Not notice the difference? If you cant tell FOUR minimal techno tracks are being layered with maschine to make a different groove and song (so I disagree hes not making music on the fly) vs TWO techno tracks simply being mixed one from the other.. then, you. would be at the wrong show anyways.

I agree with the Kazoo sentiment. It would be the same for me, if my laptop died, Id be done. My style isnt traditional, and many wouldnt even call it DJing (more live performance I guess) but yeah... shrug...

Maybe its a bit more than people understand because all they use is CDs? I dont know. This seems pretty straight forward. Richie Hawtin and Carl Cox are theo nly people who can get me into Tech House, Minimal .. because how they layer it with 3 to 4 decks.. its no longer boring as snot.
Elvis Woodis
16.04.2013		He played the next day so what's the big issue?
Doreen Schurle
16.04.2013
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
I am inclined to agree with this.
There is only a certain amount planning for this kind of situation an artist like Hawtin can do. It's not fair to expect this kind of performance be ready for any eventuality. I'm sure if one of his X1's went down he would carry on or if one of his HDD's went down he would have a backup.
Seems like the worst of all situations happened and he had to cancel.

If Usain Bolt twisted his ankle he wouldn't believe "oh well, i'll just hop. I have to do something for the crowd"

They didn't go to see a guy with 2 turntables. They went to see a guy using a shed load of tech that, for the first time I know of had a major malfunction. He planned the set meticulously, why would he have an SD card backup.

That's like saying to NASA:
"so what if the space shuttle has a fault. You can still go up, Saturn 5 is available. You gotta do something for the crowd"
Exactly. See, this is the problem in the DJ community at the moment... people seem to believe that CDJ2000s are the pinnacle of DJing technology and there's nothing you can't do on them, but the reality is that certain artists performances FAR exceed the capabilities and limitations of CDJs. The quicker people start realising this, the better tbh.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
16.04.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
If my photography gear failed at work one evening , the customers wouldn't notice or care if I just went around using my phone instead, doesn't mean I should do it. I won't put my name to work of a poor quality, same with Richie Hawtin.
I am inclined to agree with this.
There is only a certain amount planning for this kind of situation an artist like Hawtin can do. It's not fair to expect this kind of performance be ready for any eventuality. I'm sure if one of his X1's went down he would carry on or if one of his HDD's went down he would have a backup.
Seems like the worst of all situations happened and he had to cancel.

If Usain Bolt twisted his ankle he wouldn't believe "oh well, i'll just hop. I have to do something for the crowd"

They didn't go to see a guy with 2 turntables. They went to see a guy using a shed load of tech that, for the first time I know of had a major malfunction. He planned the set meticulously, why would he have an SD card backup.

That's like saying to NASA:
"so what if the space shuttle has a fault. You can still go up, Saturn 5 is available. You gotta do something for the crowd"
Trista Karle
16.04.2013		Think missed my point. Most hobby djs are more prepared for a sketchy happening then big name djs. Point is what is something this site preaches the most. Being a digital Dj means you have to be well prepared for faulty technology.
Doreen Schurle
16.04.2013
Originally Posted by KS2
I agree with others who say he should have just had an SD card and played some tracks the regular way. Most people wouldn't notice or care. In fact I'd be more interested in seeing that as it'd be something different.
If my photography gear failed at work one evening , the customers wouldn't notice or care if I just went around using my phone instead, doesn't mean I should do it. I won't put my name to work of a poor quality, same with Richie Hawtin.
Rochel Gleese
16.04.2013		Seriously for the money he makes he should have to laptops
Latina Samon
16.04.2013		I agree with others who say he should have just had an SD card and played some tracks the regular way. Most people wouldn't notice or care. In fact I'd be more interested in seeing that as it'd be something different.
Leeanna Ayla
16.04.2013		The way I understand it Cassy Britton filled in for him and he ended up doing a set the next day. Still with his history of using technology I'm kind of surprised this happened to him.
Bunny Sockel
16.04.2013
Originally Posted by Mike_08
He uses loops mostly, one bar from one track, four from another and so on.
I know i try and do the same thing but he doesn't make the music on the fly like that other guy said.
Elmer Kindinger
16.04.2013
Originally Posted by MYE
He plays tracks the only thing he does on the fly is maschine. (I'm a big fan of him I'm not hating)
He uses loops mostly, one bar from one track, four from another and so on.
Joesph Kasian
16.04.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
I believe the implication was, "why didn't he have CDs with him?"

To which I reply; you don't tell Eric Clapton to bring a kazoo with him as a back-up in case all his guitars suddenly break.
hahahaha so so true, made me LOL
Bunny Sockel
16.04.2013
Originally Posted by brocklambert
Richie doesn't play tracks... everything is done on the fly. His computer is his instrument. It's a live setup.
He plays tracks the only thing he does on the fly is maschine. (I'm a big fan of him I'm not hating)
Basil Forshee
16.04.2013		I don't know, if some popular singer's regular band isn't available, I doubt he will perform. It's Richie's right to cancel his performance if his gear fails on him. There's clausules for that in his rider/contract. That people don't like it, isn't his or the organisation's problem.
Inez Marcinik
16.04.2013
Originally Posted by shr3dder
Hawtin hasn't been a straight up DJ for years and years. It's not the same at all.


We recently had Guy J come tour. His laptop packed it in. He had no backup laptop or hard drive (he uses Ableton).

He then attempted to mix using another DJs tunes. He ballsed it up big time and gave up after a few tunes.. Because he's a producer that plays live. Not a DJ.

Now Hawtin was once a regular DJ, he'd know how to mix. But surely you can see his point at not wanting to just get up there and play some tunes. That'd be short changing people.
I don't know about anyone else, but personally If i paid to see a DJ and their gear failed, I'd want to see them make any effort they could to provide a show for the crowd.

I understand that straight up DJing isn't what Hawtin does anymore but i'd rather see them try it and balls it up than just not bother.

Considering how high profile he is - he has a whole team working for him ffs - he should be prepared for every eventuality.

If you can't play CDJ's when you need to, then you damn better make sure you have enough spare hard drives/laptops to make a show happen no matter what. Certainly for the amount of money I assume he gets for gigs.
Though it does seem in this case that things worked out, since he's coming back to play next week. Luckily that's possible at coachella, but what about other events?
Margaretta Hebenstreit
16.04.2013		Of course i know it wouldn't be the same at all, but at least the ppl would get to see him.

Him playing a cdj set would still be much better than not seeing him play at all. It's like wantig to rent a porsche but you can only get a smart, which is still better than no car at all
Ara Tima
16.04.2013
Originally Posted by Volpe
Just play a cdj set for once, no one will be as disapointed as they are now, ffs!

Hawtin hasn't been a straight up DJ for years and years. It's not the same at all.


We recently had Guy J come tour. His laptop packed it in. He had no backup laptop or hard drive (he uses Ableton).

He then attempted to mix using another DJs tunes. He ballsed it up big time and gave up after a few tunes.. Because he's a producer that plays live. Not a DJ.

Now Hawtin was once a regular DJ, he'd know how to mix. But surely you can see his point at not wanting to just get up there and play some tunes. That'd be short changing people.
Margaretta Hebenstreit
16.04.2013		I reallylike his sets and i know that he has done a lot for techno-music, but recently he has just become more and more of a douchebag in my opinion.
I always carry a usb-stick (128gb) with all the tunes i like to play at the moment analyzed on rekordbox and traktor as well as my tsi files and soundcard drivers on it so i can play on a different laptop or, if i really have to, on cdjs. And if i had to cancel a gig no one would care, while thousands of people care if richie cancels.
Just play a cdj set for once, no one will be as disapointed as they are now, ffs!
Ara Tima
16.04.2013
Originally Posted by manchild
Not gnna lie, I was believeing the same thing. So when you posted this, I tried looking up some of his live performances to see what he is all about......only watched 15 min total of 3 vids but they were all super boring. Creative yes. Maybe people have some better vids?

He's not for everyone. See I believe he's a god, but I have heard quite a few people say they believe he's boring.

Each to their own..
Gaynell Rydberg
15.04.2013		Broken pins are kinda ridic. Pins aren't gonna break on their own unless you don't take care of them.

^manchild, that's exactly how I feel about Richie. Don't really find his music interesting at all.
Addie Engbrecht
15.04.2013
Originally Posted by brocklambert
Richie doesn't play tracks... everything is done on the fly. His computer is his instrument. It's a live setup.
Not gnna lie, I was believeing the same thing. So when you posted this, I tried looking up some of his live performances to see what he is all about......only watched 15 min total of 3 vids but they were all super boring. Creative yes. Maybe people have some better vids?
Charline Dye
15.04.2013		Haha beat me to it, I just edited my post
Harley Zitka
15.04.2013
Originally Posted by VanGogo
He posted a pic of himself holding 3 back up drives on FB 2-3 days ago. Wonder what happened to #3?
Pretty sure that was the next day... he received his backups and played that evening at Coachella.
Charline Dye
15.04.2013		He posted a pic of himself holding 3 back up drives on FB 2-3 days ago. Wonder what happened to #3?
Or maybe that pic was after the first ones bit the dust.
Harley Zitka
15.04.2013
Originally Posted by lucidstrings
Umm no pro here but even I keep a Sd card with rekordbox analyzed tracks in my vehicles mind you I see where he is coming from. Wanting to play what he had planned
Richie doesn't play tracks... everything is done on the fly. His computer is his instrument. It's a live setup.
Trista Karle
15.04.2013		Umm no pro here but even I keep a Sd card with rekordbox analyzed tracks in my vehicles mind you I see where he is coming from. Wanting to play what he had planned
Harley Zitka
15.04.2013
Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50
It sounded like both his copies are on the same drive.

The chance of two separate HDD failing is so slim.
One was corrupt... the other had broken pins.
Sonja Roybal
15.04.2013		Should have had a PC.
Gaynell Rydberg
15.04.2013
Originally Posted by padi_04
He did have a backup but both his main and secondary drives failed hours before the show.
It sounded like both his copies are on the same drive.

The chance of two separate HDD failing is so slim.
Doreen Schurle
15.04.2013		I believe the implication was, "why didn't he have CDs with him?"

To which I reply; you don't tell Eric Clapton to bring a kazoo with him as a back-up in case all his guitars suddenly break.
Nedra Fresneda
15.04.2013		He did have a backup but both his main and secondary drives failed hours before the show.

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