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Who thinks we'll see Traktor Pro 3 soon?
Posted on: 19.12.2012 by Johnsie Kingrea
I know updates are usually followed by a big sale but who believes well see Traktor Pro 3 teasers in the next 3 months? And if we do what are you expecting? I have a hard time seeing NI drop video into Traktor, this would really clutter up the interface and I'm not sure where they can take the remix decks further. I also don't believe well ever see 3rd party plug in support as this is really asking for trouble (they can't be responsible for program stability if people are loading various 3rd party plug ins) I feel like Maschine would play a bigger part in TP3 but this would also have to bring something to the table beyond playing loops, as this can already be accomplished with the remix decks. We could see some better midi out for sending to visual apps as Shiftees S4 had a modified traktor version for special midi out capabilities for the mostly robot shows.

What do you guys believe, what would blow you away?
Rochel Gleese
12.01.2014		Warping would be amazing for older style tracks or vinyl rips
Rosanna Kozer
11.01.2014		Personally, I'd like to see the ability to have multiple bpms and/or grids within a track, especially for the amount of tracks that seem to go from moombah to dnb, or dnb to dubstep,etc. I believe someone else mentioned it, but I'd also like to see some level of warping like ableton does, it would come in extremely handy for all those pre-syncopated songs I've always wanted to mix in or mashup.
Johnsie Kingrea
11.01.2014		If they really want the remix decks to take off they need a friendlier editing environment. I believe the One software had the right idea with the hybrid DJ/production workflow but I believe it was a bad idea to market it as something to do live on the spot. It'd be sick if Traktor had a second completely different window that was basically a simple arrangement/track editor. It would strictly be dedicated to slicing/rearranging a track, adding in loops etc. Once your work is done you save it as a custom edit and just like the remix sets it's right there in your library.

I really have a hard time seeing NI allowing VST support. Hell if they wanted to work with other companies they could have done the Bridge thing with Ableton but instead they decided to go their own way. Lately NI has taken an Apple approach, they keep all the prime features locked to their hardware/software.
Irwin Ney
10.01.2014
Originally Posted by ksandvik
It's pretty clear that Traktor 3.0 or maybe even before that will get full Maschine integration. To speculate more, some other things I believe will be there and will put Ableton into a tight spot as Ableton is so busy working on their mediocre DAW and forgot it was a live instrument:

* grid mark support for handling variated music tracks
* More integration to swap in and out clip sets very easily
* Display the clip sets outside the F1, support non-F1 controllers for clip triggering
* (I hope) a second plug-in process where to host VSTs for Traktor integration
* Some basic Soundflower-like support to route internal hosted audio sources in and out from Traktor
* Smart playlists (iTunes like)
* Learn button to quickly MIDI-assign any controller's any control to any feature visible.

and some other stuff I can't believe of within a minute.
this

and this


Originally Posted by Sambo
For me, in order of importance, it has to be

1. A better, more intuitive mapping system. I don't mean flexible, hell Traktor's flexibility is amazing, but I mean the tediousness of mapping at some points, it could really do with some more copy and paste functions or auto-fill (say, you create a button responding to CC1, then one corresponding to CC8, then it autoamtically figures out to create buttons for cc2-cc7 to whatever parameters you were mapping.... It's hard to explain, but I believe you can get what I'm trying to say. Haha).
Hipolito Scionti
10.01.2014		There's already enough DAWs... why should traktor become a DAW?

I'd be surprised if 1% of traktor DJs even used the remix decks... and of those that do i bet 1% do it well.

+1000 on iTunes integration.

I'd settle for being able have artwork visible in itunes playlists...
Alphonso Deitchman
10.01.2014		Isn't Maschine 2.0 nearing DAW territory already? The whole workflow of Traktor is completely different from a DAW too.
Rochel Gleese
10.01.2014
Originally Posted by Sambo
To be fair, the remix decks was a massive bomb and that was what, 2.4 to 2.5? And although not implemented as good as it could have been, it is still a game changer. 3 is going to have to be something mind blowing, something that you see and your immediate reaction is "I HAVE to have that. How did I even DJ before that?".

For me that killer feature is going to have to be something like an in depth clip editor in the remix decks (Like an extremely stripped down DAW), a system to stretch songs into a steady BPM, or something even more insane like Spotify integration.
I like this, i can see Traktor becoming NI DAW if they wanted, unlimited tracks, would become Maschines live mixer of sorts, but be able to play full tracks and loops, Remix decks etc
Jetta Drenzek
10.01.2014		To be fair, the remix decks was a massive bomb and that was what, 2.4 to 2.5? And although not implemented as good as it could have been, it is still a game changer. 3 is going to have to be something mind blowing, something that you see and your immediate reaction is "I HAVE to have that. How did I even DJ before that?".

For me that killer feature is going to have to be something like an in depth clip editor in the remix decks (Like an extremely stripped down DAW), a system to stretch songs into a steady BPM, or something even more insane like Spotify integration.
Johnsie Kingrea
10.01.2014
Originally Posted by KILLMeDJ
REAL, iTunes integration.
Haha when the bomb drops that'll be TP3's killer feature, but that's it. They'll tease it with blurred iTunes and playlist windows to get everybody hyped.
Jake Vierow
10.01.2014		Hmmm where do I start?
For me it's all the double handling.
If iTunes integrated directly it would be awesome.
But for example, if you "star" a track in Traktor it won't show up in your iTunes playlist without the use of a third party app ( I use "Trainspotter 2").
Rochel Gleese
10.01.2014
Originally Posted by KILLMeDJ
REAL, iTunes integration.
What wrong with it now, I was believeing of starting to use it as I've been starring songs for peak time and intro tracks etc and also would like to use the iPad version of Traktor DJ to prep tracks a bit more
Jake Vierow
09.01.2014		REAL, iTunes integration.
Lewis Stumpf
08.01.2014		I am very certain that we'll be seeing a new version of Traktor within the next 6-9 months.

There is no way NI are spending the money and time getting LCD screens to work and not using them outside of Maschine, so we'll probably see a controller with one of two of them on.
There'll probably also be bigger / more pads.

I'm guessing they want to drop or down-prioritize jog wheels but can't, since they still have to cater to the broad public.

Just a hunch.
Dannie Dimora
08.01.2014
Originally Posted by deevey
Not really possible regardless of what you use, what you are basically doing when you change key is cutting the track up into small segments and stretching them out or compressing them together to change the pitch....
It is possible. Very easily done using cubase's integrated tools. Not realtime tho :/
Jetta Drenzek
08.01.2014		NI always announce their new products outside of these shows, although they are roughly in same time frame. I'd be very surprised if anything Traktor related came out at NAMM or Musikmesse.

But I hope it does
Rochel Gleese
07.01.2014
Originally Posted by JonnoI
So pretty much a hybrid of the X1 and the CMD PL-1, maybe with a motorised platter? Just a thought since they might wanna market it for some turntablists.
Pretty much, the Beringer controllers look pretty slick, but I'm down with Traktors NHL protocol, it just works straight away, no messing about
Johnsie Kingrea
06.01.2014
Originally Posted by synthet1c
yes and no, they pretty much always release a new bit of gear at the same time as the big shows, but they don't attend the shows.
Yep this is pretty much standard procedure for them now.
Delilah Laurin
06.01.2014
Originally Posted by ekwipt
That's what I'd do, I'll buy three of them if they released them, make them Serato midi mappable as well and they'd sell truckloads
So pretty much a hybrid of the X1 and the CMD PL-1, maybe with a motorised platter? Just a thought since they might wanna market it for some turntablists.
Rochel Gleese
06.01.2014
Originally Posted by JonnoI
So kinda like the little MIDI platters that Behringer makes? Only native to Traktor and with a coloured display?
Sounds pretty damn cool, I'm stuck wondering if NI will ever merge Maschine and Traktor into some pseudo Dubfire wet dream supreme.
That's what I'd do, I'll buy three of them if they released them, make them Serato midi mappable as well and they'd sell truckloads
Claire Auyeung
06.01.2014
Originally Posted by rdej47
Bringing this thread to back life now that NAMM is around the corner and it's 2014. Based on previous Trakor releases: Traktor Scratch (2007), Traktor Pro (2009), Traktor Pro 2 (Feb 2011), we could see Traktor Pro 3 in the first quarter of 2014.
A second chance for introducing Tpro3 might be at the Frankfurt MusikMesse (March 12th-15th), the leading musical trade fair in Europe.
Leoma Larouche
13.11.2013
Originally Posted by djproben
Pretty sure you're joking but just in case you're not .... I want to be able to use my shift and arrow keys like I can in just about any other software I use. I want to be able to change all modifiers of 0 to 1 easily without endless squinting and clicking. I want to be able to do the same with other options -- e.g. highlight 7 lines in controller manager and duplicate them and then change all the new ones to Deck B instead of Deck A. I want to be able to edit the mapping in a separate interface if possible, and I want the controller mappings to load separately from the threads controlling the rest of Traktor so that every time I open preferences it doesn't take a minute to load, with the rest of the software interface frozen. And yeah, as other people have noted, it would be nice to be able to do simple mapping without going into the controller manager at all, which feels too much like editing a spreadsheet. And I want the mapping files unencrypted so we can edit them in various ways. The spreadsheet interface is great for advanced mapping but if you're going to make it a spreadsheet we ought to be able to edit it in the ways we normally edit a spreadsheet, including all the user interface stuff that's built into the OS....
+1

Well said, spot-on mate. At least if the stupid TSI files weren't encrypted we'd be able to import our OWN data into Excel, edit it and export it back into the TSI file. Also this would enable us to re-use sections of existing mappings, and would make management much more efficient in general. To be perfectly honest, Traktor's mapping capabilities are amazing, but the way mappings are managed is utter crap. Like I said elsewhere, NI almost certainly have proper tools for editing mappings, they are just not available to us end users.
Danae Dumler
02.01.2013
Originally Posted by smittten
They gave us a resizable window - what more do you want???
Pretty sure you're joking but just in case you're not .... I want to be able to use my shift and arrow keys like I can in just about any other software I use. I want to be able to change all modifiers of 0 to 1 easily without endless squinting and clicking. I want to be able to do the same with other options -- e.g. highlight 7 lines in controller manager and duplicate them and then change all the new ones to Deck B instead of Deck A. I want to be able to edit the mapping in a separate interface if possible, and I want the controller mappings to load separately from the threads controlling the rest of Traktor so that every time I open preferences it doesn't take a minute to load, with the rest of the software interface frozen. And yeah, as other people have noted, it would be nice to be able to do simple mapping without going into the controller manager at all, which feels too much like editing a spreadsheet. And I want the mapping files unencrypted so we can edit them in various ways. The spreadsheet interface is great for advanced mapping but if you're going to make it a spreadsheet we ought to be able to edit it in the ways we normally edit a spreadsheet, including all the user interface stuff that's built into the OS....
Caridad Fan
02.01.2013
Originally Posted by soundinsurgent712
Video.........
Why? :P
Johnsie Kingrea
06.01.2014
Originally Posted by synthet1c
yes and no, they pretty much always release a new bit of gear at the same time as the big shows, but they don't attend the shows.
Yep this is pretty much standard procedure for them now.
Delilah Laurin
06.01.2014
Originally Posted by ekwipt
That's what I'd do, I'll buy three of them if they released them, make them Serato midi mappable as well and they'd sell truckloads
So pretty much a hybrid of the X1 and the CMD PL-1, maybe with a motorised platter? Just a thought since they might wanna market it for some turntablists.
Rochel Gleese
06.01.2014
Originally Posted by JonnoI
So kinda like the little MIDI platters that Behringer makes? Only native to Traktor and with a coloured display?
Sounds pretty damn cool, I'm stuck wondering if NI will ever merge Maschine and Traktor into some pseudo Dubfire wet dream supreme.
That's what I'd do, I'll buy three of them if they released them, make them Serato midi mappable as well and they'd sell truckloads
Jonathan Chiuchiolo
06.01.2014		yes and no, they pretty much always release a new bit of gear at the same time as the big shows, but they don't attend the shows.
Chuck Peretto
06.01.2014		To me it doesn't seem like almost 3 years ago that Traktor Pro 2 was released, but I did buy TSD2 about a month after it came out. I just updated to 2.6.6 from 2.6.0 so its kinda renewed to me again. I still don't really get how flexible beatgridding is not a possibility. I certainly thought that would have come before key integration. So NI doesn't participate in NAMM at all right?
Claire Auyeung
06.01.2014
Originally Posted by rdej47
Bringing this thread to back life now that NAMM is around the corner and it's 2014. Based on previous Trakor releases: Traktor Scratch (2007), Traktor Pro (2009), Traktor Pro 2 (Feb 2011), we could see Traktor Pro 3 in the first quarter of 2014.
A second chance for introducing Tpro3 might be at the Frankfurt MusikMesse (March 12th-15th), the leading musical trade fair in Europe.
Delilah Laurin
06.01.2014		So kinda like the little MIDI platters that Behringer makes? Only native to Traktor and with a coloured display?
Sounds pretty damn cool, I'm stuck wondering if NI will ever merge Maschine and Traktor into some pseudo Dubfire wet dream supreme.
Rochel Gleese
06.01.2014		CDJ Style controllers with Maschine Studio style screens please
X4 controller
Z4 or Z5 mixer
Delilah Laurin
06.01.2014		Key I hope is something they will address, VDJs key system looks pretty damn nice.
At a stretch maybe something that displays what songs are in a compatible key in the UI (hopefully without cluttering it with thousands of colours).
Jonathan Chiuchiolo
06.01.2014		if they don't there is always VDJ8. it's meant to have a 99 track timeline mode with events that can fire samples, plugins, DMX lighting and a more configurable sampler than Traktor with user selectable choke grouping and unlimited samples, full VST support for Windows, a better scripting engine, user creatable skins, user configurable skins ala "the one" though this looks like a huge undertaking to make a skin that allows this functionality and it might require c++ knowledge, better audio routing and it's not a closed system as the entire API that the company use will be available to all.

The private beta finally got announced so it should be out in a couple of months from now to the public...
Johnsie Kingrea
06.01.2014		Bringing this thread to back life now that NAMM is around the corner and it's 2014. Based on previous Trakor releases: Traktor Scratch (2007), Traktor Pro (2009), Traktor Pro 2 (Feb 2011), we could see Traktor Pro 3 in the first quarter of 2014.

I wonder if Traktor will take an approach similar to The One. As everyone knows people are always emphasizing the importance of producing for DJ's. I believe it'd be really cool if they could give you more control and flexibility with the remix decks that made it easy to work with loops and make your own edits. They could let you open a mini arrangement view where you could drag loops/samples and have a consolidate mode where it renders your track for you.

What do you guys believe are we going to see Traktor take the remix decks further or introduce some kind of crazy feature that no one has thought of before.
Dannie Dimora
13.11.2013		serato serato serato
Elias Knapp
13.11.2013		Wider waveform display al la serato et al!

Maschine integration
Temple Cervelli
13.11.2013		I would just love to have a nice Maschine integration with Traktor.
Leoma Larouche
13.11.2013
Originally Posted by djproben
Pretty sure you're joking but just in case you're not .... I want to be able to use my shift and arrow keys like I can in just about any other software I use. I want to be able to change all modifiers of 0 to 1 easily without endless squinting and clicking. I want to be able to do the same with other options -- e.g. highlight 7 lines in controller manager and duplicate them and then change all the new ones to Deck B instead of Deck A. I want to be able to edit the mapping in a separate interface if possible, and I want the controller mappings to load separately from the threads controlling the rest of Traktor so that every time I open preferences it doesn't take a minute to load, with the rest of the software interface frozen. And yeah, as other people have noted, it would be nice to be able to do simple mapping without going into the controller manager at all, which feels too much like editing a spreadsheet. And I want the mapping files unencrypted so we can edit them in various ways. The spreadsheet interface is great for advanced mapping but if you're going to make it a spreadsheet we ought to be able to edit it in the ways we normally edit a spreadsheet, including all the user interface stuff that's built into the OS....
+1

Well said, spot-on mate. At least if the stupid TSI files weren't encrypted we'd be able to import our OWN data into Excel, edit it and export it back into the TSI file. Also this would enable us to re-use sections of existing mappings, and would make management much more efficient in general. To be perfectly honest, Traktor's mapping capabilities are amazing, but the way mappings are managed is utter crap. Like I said elsewhere, NI almost certainly have proper tools for editing mappings, they are just not available to us end users.
Danae Dumler
02.01.2013
Originally Posted by smittten
They gave us a resizable window - what more do you want???
Pretty sure you're joking but just in case you're not .... I want to be able to use my shift and arrow keys like I can in just about any other software I use. I want to be able to change all modifiers of 0 to 1 easily without endless squinting and clicking. I want to be able to do the same with other options -- e.g. highlight 7 lines in controller manager and duplicate them and then change all the new ones to Deck B instead of Deck A. I want to be able to edit the mapping in a separate interface if possible, and I want the controller mappings to load separately from the threads controlling the rest of Traktor so that every time I open preferences it doesn't take a minute to load, with the rest of the software interface frozen. And yeah, as other people have noted, it would be nice to be able to do simple mapping without going into the controller manager at all, which feels too much like editing a spreadsheet. And I want the mapping files unencrypted so we can edit them in various ways. The spreadsheet interface is great for advanced mapping but if you're going to make it a spreadsheet we ought to be able to edit it in the ways we normally edit a spreadsheet, including all the user interface stuff that's built into the OS....
Caridad Fan
02.01.2013
Originally Posted by soundinsurgent712
Video.........
Why? :P

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