Akai APC40 and traktor pro, full midi maping incl. led lights and led rings work
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Akai APC40 and traktor pro, full midi maping incl. led lights and led rings work Posted on: 16.03.2010 by Danyel Murante Hello, I have an APC40 and i did all midi mappings in traktor pro. I made leds on clip lunch buttons, and even led rings to work in pan/volume stile. I have an M-audio Fast track pro an HP notebook with 4 GB ram, and dual core 2.2GHz (XP sp3) Everything is working fine except i have audio crackling on low latencies... if I go to 10ms i hear crackling. On 40ms and more sound is perfect. I believe the problem is when traktor sending midi to APC. Those output midi messages for controlling leds on APC. When I turn them of everything is ok. Is there anyone with same or similar problem? Also if there are interested in my mapping i am happy to share... Apc is mapped for all things, looping, hot-cueing, internal mixining an eq... sorry for my bad english | |
| Lynetta Piacentino 07.07.2010 | @Space You're welcome @theJetRodriguez
Originally Posted by theJetRodriguez
Regarding the APC modes, check out the posting from Zac:
Experiment with all of the three "states" of the APC40: "Native" (red box) mode (Turn on APC, Start up Live, select APC as control surface). Non-native mode (don't turn on Live, or don't use APC as control surface in Live). And "Dumb" mode (Get the red box in Live, then quit Live). Each state does different things with midi and led feedback.
I'm almost done with some awesome remapping my APC using various advanced filter modes (stolen from the great guy who developed the midi fighter TSI, I borrowed their advanced filter handling ) WIll post a movie soon edit: Check out my mini movie on setting the dumb-mode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6PzNM3SOiI |
| Hong Ulan 25.04.2011 | Hello everyone and thanks for all of the great information! I finally decided to post after almost 2 weeks of frustration. Simply put, I'm trying to use just an APC40 to control traktor and I'm unable to get it to work properly.... I've tried countless solutions that I've read on several community
s and nothing seems to work. I'll try to keep this concise and I'll focus on 3 major issues: 1) LEDs not working: I've made TSI files from scratch and tried numerous TSI files from other people. Any TSI files that uses output commands to control the LEDs on the apc40 act very strange... The LEDs aren't lit up when I first turn the APC40 on- I have to actually hit each button to light the LEDs up.. Which works for a moment, but the second I start messing with my knobs all of the lights will turn off until I physically trigger them again. Also, moving the knobs at the top right will sometimes cause other knobs below them to light up. Needless to say, this is extremely annoying and makes any effort to using LEDs pointless... Any ideas? 2) Random MIDI signals: Again, this seems to be tied to any TSI that uses output commands. I would love to be able to use the "track seek" function with my faders. If I use a TSI without output commands, this works perfectly... However, if there are any output commands (say, to control LEDs) then all hell breaks loose when I use a fader tied to track seek on any deck. All sorts of parameters start to change by themselves- decks will stop/play.. EQ controls go nuts, tracks will jump around randomly, etc.. The second I return the fader tied to track seek all the way down, or 0 value, everything returns to 'normal'. Any ideas? 3) Midispy crashes: In trying to troubleshoot my issues, I decided to download an app called Midispy. It is a very simple program that captures midi signals. My APC40 communicates with this program perfectly. The second I launch traktor, Midispy crashes. Midispy works perfectly alone or with ableton (no crashes).. I come to you guys hoping that someone can help.. I'm almost considering giving up on my aspirations of using an apc40 to DJ with traktor . I don't want to do that, but I don't have many options at this point.. My APC40 seems to be in full working order (it works perfectly in ableton, LEDs and all).. I've tried uninstalling/reinstalling traktor scratch pro 2 and I've tried an older version of traktor (traktor scratch pro). All software/drivers are up to date. Airport/bluetooth has been disabled, and I'm not using a USB hub. It seems the problem is a software issue within traktor... but what really throws me off is that both the new and old versions act exactly the same... so I'm completely lost . And NI support hasn't been very helpful... I hope someone here can. Thanks! Oh, here are my specs: 2011 macbook pro (2.3ghz intel core i5, 4g ddr3 memory, os x 10.6.7), traktor audio 6, akai APC40, traktor scratch pro 2.0.1. |
| Danyel Murante 05.04.2011 | Old thread, but now my led rings are working almost perfectly! Send monitor state is also working great now with TP 2. For any knob in TP that I want to send state to APC led ring, I used it as relative, not direct knob. So let say that i want Traktor`s filter knob send state to APC knob that has midi note CH01 CC-48: ADD IN - Filter Deck A - MIDI: CH01 CC-48 (Interaction mode RELATIVE) ADD OUT - Filter Deck A - MIDI: CH01 CC-48 ADD OUT - Send monitor state -MIDI: CH01 CC-56 (midi range min03 - max03, for pan style) In this case, i found that when twisting the knob, its little bit slowed down, but it is working fine. Cheers |
| Lynetta Piacentino 16.07.2010 | I was a bit confused also, as I noticed that I was talking about Bome as well, not NativeKontrol. Bome has indeed a lot of great options, but still it requires a lot of mapping (~skill ). And I believe I can this as easy in Traktor Pro directly myself. for now I've got everything working. Even now with some advanced midi-fighter-like style effects and mapping. I'll try to post some vid on this asap. |
| Reece Murray 14.07.2010 | No, I mean the stand-alone program Bomes Midi Translator. I believe NativeKontrol uses a Bomes runtime or something like that, and it's all pre-packaged into templates. I've never used it though, so don't quote me on it. The application version of Bomes MT is a blank slate, you have to build your own template. But you can do pretty much anything with it, translate multiple inputs into single outputs or vice versa, translate to or from keystrokes, timers, complex rules, nearly endless modifiers (they call 'em variables). It's really a great program. |
| Lynetta Piacentino 14.07.2010 | @Zac, do you really mean that the NativeKontrol tool will make this a lot easier? I've tried that tool using the trail version and it still seems a lot of work and hard to do. Although that might be because of my lack of knowledge of that tool. For now it looked easier to me to program this in Traktor, but since I got a lot of modifier stuff and a lot of LED's to control, I might need a more easy tool. I probably need to check that NK tool again.. |
| Reece Murray 14.07.2010 | @Timmio: Thanks for the props man, I appreciate it! For those looking to update led ring states on the APC, ie focus on a deck and have rings update, the only simple way I've found to do this is by using the send monitor state command. It's really unfortunate, since windows users are getting the short end of the stick on this one. The culprit is really just that Traktor sends info from EVERYTHING at once, and for whatever reason, windows gets bogged down on this. Hell, this command crashes my VCI once in a while too, and I'm on a mac... Maybe asking for inclusion of "send monitor state" commands that can be tied to a single midi note, for a future Traktor version would be worth our while. HOWEVER, another (more complex) trick you can use is just what Timmio mentioned. Tie output commands to modifiers such that switching decks sends output info only for the selected deck. I'm not in front of my machine so I can't test, but you might have to zero (clear) the ring momentarily before sending the new output info. I'm not sure. You could do this by sending a value of zero on press, and send the new output info on release (an inverted command). As mentioned, things may behave differently depending on the APC state. I'll mess around with this a bit, since I'd really love to bail the "send monitor state" commands - I want to be able to share my work with non mac users! In the meantime though I can't recommend Bomes MT enough. It makes all of these Traktor headaches a thing of the past... |
| Zenobia Rulapaugh 11.07.2010 | Buzz - when you have time can you send me the tsi. sounds and looks really cool. jimfuso at yahoo dot com [email protected] looking at what ean has created with midi fighter the APC is pretty much two midi fighters minus the super responsive arcade buttons. thanks |
| Mason Leitzinger 11.07.2010 | Hey Buzz, I would love to try out your mapping, message me if you will! |
| Lynetta Piacentino 09.07.2010 | Hey that is indeed quite hard to do. Normally you can use the 'send monitor state' for this, but this only works good on a Mac, the Windows machine is giving some bad hickup using this command (NI needs to solve this..) I'm also busy with this myself (but on the normal buttons), and it seems that I need to use modifiers. These modifiers need to read the state and when switching modes there must be a out-command that sends, depending on the modifier setting, a state update to the buttons (or rotaries). |
| Danyel Murante 08.07.2010 | Yes, i mapped it correctly and it is ok. But, when i trying to send state of the filter or some other knob inside traktor to APC, there is problem. I did not gave correct example. Let say that i want to send 3 eq state for every of 4 decks to only 3 knobs on APC. when i select deck A on apc should show state of deck eq. then when i select deck B, on same knobs to show state of deck B eq. sorry my english is bad |
| Lynetta Piacentino 08.07.2010 | Buzz, Did you map the values correctly? 01=single style 02=all leds 03=pan style (again Zac is the real Hero expert in this, check his post: http://www.djranking s.com/community /sho...d.php?p=110454) |
| Danyel Murante 08.07.2010 | I am relay glad to know that you like my mapping, and that you can use it in your work. I figured out almost everything... apc mods, in and out midi messages from TP, but only one thing is still problem. How to make traktor sending state of the knob, for exapmle to send state of filter knob to apc... When I map filter on CH1 CC48, send pan style message to apc knob CH1 CC56, and try to send filter state to led ring CH1 CC48, it is working but not correctly. Knob get stucking and not working correctly. Any one make this working??? |
| Lynetta Piacentino 07.07.2010 | @Space You're welcome @theJetRodriguez
Originally Posted by theJetRodriguez
Regarding the APC modes, check out the posting from Zac:
Experiment with all of the three "states" of the APC40: "Native" (red box) mode (Turn on APC, Start up Live, select APC as control surface). Non-native mode (don't turn on Live, or don't use APC as control surface in Live). And "Dumb" mode (Get the red box in Live, then quit Live). Each state does different things with midi and led feedback.
I'm almost done with some awesome remapping my APC using various advanced filter modes (stolen from the great guy who developed the midi fighter TSI, I borrowed their advanced filter handling ) WIll post a movie soon edit: Check out my mini movie on setting the dumb-mode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6PzNM3SOiI |
| Branden Wentler 07.07.2010 | @ Timmio right on right on...thanks mate! |
| Ardis Fauth 07.07.2010 | @Buzz Checked out your .tsi, thank you for sending it! GOOD STUFF! The main reason I checked it out was to see how you got the LED rings to work, because every time I tried to assign the OUT in a Pan or Volume style, the encoders wouldn't work. For example, if I assigned filter to a knob/encoder, then assigned an OUT to that same knob/encoder, the filter would stay stationary in Traktor along with the LED position on the encoder, rendering it useless. Im not sure if I was doing anything wrong or if it was a limitation of the APC40. But I checked your file and hats off to you for the way you did it. I wasn't aware that each encoder has multiple CC notes on one channel. You assigned a filter for one encoder, such as Ch.01 CC 48, and then for the LED OUT, you would assign that same physical encoder an OUT but it would have a different CC note, for instance Ch.01 CC 56, and they wouldn't conflict. How did you figure that out? And also it would be very helpful if someone could explain the different modes of the APC40 (Native, Dumb, etc) and their differences? THANKS! Ill post my APC40 mapping soon! |
| Lynetta Piacentino 07.07.2010 | It's more a red rectangle, See: http://www.production-room.com/gfx/p...-apc40---2.jpg (check out the red border rectangle on the top right around those clips) This box is shown as default after installing the Ableton APC edition. You can turn it on/off in the MIDI setting, I guess it must be on to make sure this 4-steps-into-dumb-mode process works). I already made a short movie-clip on this, but need to upload it to youtube first (maybe toevening ). |
| Branden Wentler 07.07.2010 | What is this mysterious red box...I've opened Ableton and have no clue what to look for (rarely use it as it's APC edition) ty |
| Lynetta Piacentino 07.07.2010 | @de4ek You know that the APC40 needs to be in some other 'mode' don't you? Your problems sound like normal APC40 behaviour (=LEDs go off after clicking on it). Did you try to 1) Power on your APC40 2) Go to Ableton Live (wait for the red box) 3) Close Ableton 4) Go to Traktor Now your TSI will definitely behave totally different.. Did you try this already? |
| Usha Karge 07.07.2010 | or not.... man these leds are crazy! why doesn't NI have better doc's on this!!!? i started mapping my new findings to my deck a cuepoint buttons after 3 i decided to check if they were really working. yes, but no. and it's so weird its gonna be pretty hard to describe. maybe i can post a video... idk |
| Usha Karge 07.07.2010 | ok... i believe i figured this cuepoint button thing out. you need two outs. one for Hotcue state and one for select/set+store . and then the right combo of numbers for what light s you want. hahahahaha! i don't have a modifer yet and am wondering how the led feedback will be effected when i do start to fiddle with the modifers. |
| Usha Karge 06.07.2010 | i've not even started tinkering with the knobs yet. but eventually i'll need that info too. I have read the tutorials online, one give an example where a button is used for a cuepoint. when there is not a cuepoint mapped to that button it should be red, and if a cuepoint has been set for said button it should be green. although the numbers for the colors in the tutorial were incorrect i figured that out. but after i push the cuepoint button the backlight goes away..... help~ I'd love to get my hand on the OP's TSI. if someone has it please email me at de4ek at mac dot com thank you. |
| Lashunda Ichinose 06.07.2010 | Are you confused about the LED states of the rubber pads or the knobs? I MIGHT be able to help with regards to the knobs on the right side, just create a new "out" on traktor and add 8 to the knob channel to control the lights.. sorry if my instructions are a incomprehensible, I'm at work and just sneaking in to help a fellow confused brother out. hehe! I'll get into it later when I get home. Cheers.
Originally Posted by de4ek
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| Mason Leitzinger 06.07.2010 | Would love to try this out, please email it to me at [email protected] |
| Usha Karge 06.07.2010 | what's up fellow APC40 users!!?? I've had this thing for about 3 months now and am finnally starting to get my personal mapping to a point that is useable. but i've been banging my head on my deyboard trying to figure out these silly led states. Anyhoo, the pix of the TSI look pretty awesome, and I'd ove to test it out. de4ek at mac dot com thanks in advance!!! |
| Darryl Landaiche 23.06.2010 | well for those of you wondering 2ms is pretty common for high quality sound cards and is usb's lowest cabable im pretty sure, but firewire can go lower, even my stanton final scratch box goes down to 1.5ms |
| Katelin Mozzone 22.06.2010 | I've tried around 10 traktor apc40 mappings so far, and while some have satisfied certain needs, nothing has been comprehensive. This looks amazing. Do you have a .tsi we can play with? Also this is sort of unrelated, but I can't seem to get the x-fader and sometimes deck volume sliders to appear onscreen or work in any of the .tsi files that I've tried. The crossfader works in ableton just fine so it can't be broken, and I've double checked the mappings and they look correct. Any suggestions for the time being while we wait for you to upload your mapping? |
| Danyel Murante 22.06.2010 | Here is some pictures how it works... http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/1...40weblarge.png http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/2994/apc401.png http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/8465/apc402.png http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3461/apc403.png http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/2339/apc404.png |
| Lashunda Ichinose 21.06.2010 | looking forward to it awesomeness |
| Danyel Murante 21.06.2010 | I currently working on new tsi, with full control for FX1, FX2 and FX3. (FX4 is always Digital LoFi) I am trying to catch time to record some demo video... hope it will be soon |
| Lashunda Ichinose 17.06.2010 | Hi Buzz, I got the TSI file you sent. however I need a few clarifications, I tried using the FX2 button on the mapping unfortunately I can't seem to make it work.. I am hoping you are able to do a quick demo maybe on video? if possible? sorry i know you put a lot of work into this btw, it's one of the most complete mappings i've seen thus far. |
| Stefan Mišo 15.06.2010 | Hi, Could I have a copy of your TSI. file ???? I would love to see how you were able to do this . Thank you, Rodrigo Peraza HERE IS MY E-MAIL : [email protected] |
| Danyel Murante 15.06.2010 | hello to everyone I see there is many people interested in my mapping. Send me email on cyclesix at gmail dot com, and i will send you tsi, and pdf with some explanation. I didn't use "send monitor state", but all leds are working pretty good. I had several gigs with this setup, and no glitches, sound problems, etc... using just HP530 with 4 gigs of RAM, M-audio fast track pro, APC40 and of course TP 4decks My friend with Macbook pro, and X1 had 2 serious drop outs he was playing before me at two parties... I planing to post video demonstration on youtube.. i need to catch some time |
| Kristen Vaninwegen 14.06.2010 | i guess we're all waiting for the mapping... i am too |
| Lashunda Ichinose 13.06.2010 | Hi Guys, Just purchased a brand spakin' new apc40.. is it possible for you guys to send the mappings over to me too? radrad (at) gmail (dot) com. Thank you so much. |
| Ardis Fauth 12.06.2010 | Im working on my own as well, but I would like to check yours out if possible? Thanks! [email protected] |
| Dominick Lanzillo 12.06.2010 |
Originally Posted by buzz33
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| Tobie Anding 11.06.2010 | I'd also love to have a look at your mapping. I've tried several others, and none are close to what I'm looking for. Please send to [email protected] |
| Camille Braaten 30.05.2010 | I had a microkontrol mapped for traktor switched to apc 40 and traktor stopped receiving messages (it sees the controller - but when you clik on learn + push a key on the keyboard, nothing happens) I went back to microkontrol and that stopped sending messages too (to traktor) - I tried other controllers. m-audio o2, evolution uc-33, x-session nothing...on another note - everything work fine (on the same computer) with ableton, garage band... it's just that - traktor stopped receiving midi messages... i uninstalled, reinstalled, reinstalled difeerent versions, even removed using the un-install utility ANY OPINIONS >> ?? - hello to everyone too . . . |
| Cordia Ramones 08.04.2010 | Hey , i would like to have your TSI, send to my email plis, [email protected] Thanks! |
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