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Customized/Refurbed Technics - Worth it?
Posted on: 15.01.2012 by Len Lukawski
As many of you know, I am one in a long line of many who foolishly sold their beloved 1210s at a time when mixing seemed like something they would never dabble in again (oh the humanity!). And like many, I would like to reunite myself with a pair (I did hit up the guy I sold mine to and the b&stard said, "No thanks, I don't want to sell them back to you, I am very happy with them" - can you believe the cheek?).

The pricing on straight up used/second hand units seems to range from $200/deck to some a$$hole wanting $600 for a single deck with hair dryer cables for wiring. Unfortunately I have yet to come by a set at the $200/each range (shut up Xone - I know). There are few places out there doing refurbed/ custom decks with powder coats, new leds, fully serviced etc ranging from $750-$insane a pair. Some of them offer payment plans etc which is attractive but I wanted to get some input from people THAT HAVE ACTUALLY BOUGHT OR SOLD THEM.

IF you have bought a set or do this kind of work yourself - let me know what you believe. I realize that those selling will be inclined to promote the service but I am hoping that honesty will prevail.

Hit me with your wisdom
Osvaldo Newhall
17.01.2012
Finished in midevening blue metallic. I like this color very much.

Here are some pics before:






I did my usual refurbishment on this deck.

-Repainted the base frame with automotive polyurethane thinner based paint
-repainted and overhauled the tonearm assembly
-replaced LEDs. Strobe and Pop-up LEDs to blue, 33/45rmp to bright white.
-replaced new pitch control
-replaced tonearm clip
-replaced aluminum pitch decal
-refaced the platter
-eliminated the ground wires

Result:






Osvaldo Newhall
17.01.2012
Here's another pair I did 3 years ago.

Looks like these decks have been submerged in the ocean for months. They look like oysters have lived on them.












Scraped the paint to metal.



Primer painted.




Base paint.








New parts




Replaced the power LEDs to blue, 33/45 rpm LEDs to white and Pop-Up lamp to bright white LEDs.


New aluminum pitch decals.



Wet sanding after top clear coat.


Getting ready for buffing. Compound, swirl remover, polish and wax.









Scraped platter


Newly refaced, painted and refaced again


Replaced parts were:

Pitch control (removed the bearings and springs)
Aluminum pitch decals
Tonearm rest/clips
Power switch
LEDs (pop-up lamps, 33/45rpm buttons, power switch strobe)
Turntable legs. 1 deck was missing 2 legs.
RCA cables and connectors. Eliminated the ground wires.

The base frame is finished in glossy white and all other parts are in flat white and flat black.




White and black tonearm section









Osvaldo Newhall
17.01.2012
A sample of my work.

Here's a pair of SL1200LTD Limited series. These babies are limited in production numbers. The picture below is the condition of the decks before I took them apart.









Scraped the paint to aluminum diecast


Disassembled the power switch assembly...


After cleaning the tone arm section...


Re-built and calibrated the tone arm assembly...


SL-1200 Limited plate before repaint and reface...


...then


Finished project.






Replaced all lights to super bright white. Strobe, 33/45 and pop up lamps





Osvaldo Newhall
17.01.2012
Originally Posted by Bassline Brine
Nicadraus, where exactly are you located?
I'm from Manila.
Osvaldo Newhall
17.01.2012
Originally Posted by mostapha
So
Audrey Pinda
17.01.2012
Nicadraus, where exactly are you located?

I want to get mine topped off a bit, but don't feel comfortable doing the work myself.
Chasidy Heckenbach
17.01.2012
damn... knew i shouldn't have checked out this sub-community ... really regret selling my 1200 mk2's a few years back...
Dorie Scelzo
17.01.2012
So
Osvaldo Newhall
17.01.2012
Originally Posted by bumtsch
Make sure they stop at Toshi Station for some power converters. I'm not sure they use the same plugs over there.
No prob about the plugs. I've got an astromech droid here at home helping me out convert power, plugs and things. Hahaha!
Delila Vandommelen
17.01.2012
Make sure they stop at Toshi Station for some power converters. I'm not sure they use the same plugs over there.
Osvaldo Newhall
17.01.2012
Originally Posted by smittten
it's a pity you are based in Tatooine
Hahaha! I can have one of my Jedi friends pick your decks up and delivered to me.
Albertina Fay
17.01.2012
Originally Posted by smittten
it's a pity you are based in tatooine
^^ +1 ^^
Len Lukawski
17.01.2012
it's a pity you are based in Tatooine
Osvaldo Newhall
17.01.2012
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Really, still? You're practically giving decks away- it's hard to find mediocre condition techs that need refurbishing for $300 each. I was getting $900-$1000 for a set of refurbs a couple years ago before they were discontinued (on craigslist so no fees/hassle) and now I see nice painted/powder coated sets of MK2s go for $1400 on ebay regularly.
Yup. $300 is done in basic colors. Original 1200 silver, original 1210 very dark grey (almost black) or pure white. For custom colors, there's an additional $50 because I will have the have the paint mixed at a local (professional) paint shop where they use color codes on the computer to match the exact shades required. But there are also times that I mix the paint myself and do a little adjustments before spraying them.
Romelia Stankard
17.01.2012
Originally Posted by Nicadraus
$300 for a fully refurbished deck for sale. I usually charge $160 per deck on a full refurbishment package service. You can see the list of services in my site, Works1200.
Really, still? You're practically giving decks away- it's hard to find mediocre condition techs that need refurbishing for $300 each. I was getting $900-$1000 for a set of refurbs a couple years ago before they were discontinued (on craigslist so no fees/hassle) and now I see nice painted/powder coated sets of MK2s go for $1400 on ebay regularly.
Osvaldo Newhall
17.01.2012
Originally Posted by mostapha
Do you mean that the whole deck
Dorie Scelzo
18.01.2012
Originally Posted by Nicadraus
A full refurbished deck by me would cost around $300.
Do you mean that the whole deck
Erich Vallabhaneni
17.01.2012
I was completely sold on getting a set of Numark TTX's when my good friend said he was gonna switch up setups and was getting rid of a pair of 1210's for 400 bucks, so i snatched them up so fast it was ridiculous. They did come needle-less and no vinyl but for my first set of TT's they arent bad (alittle scuffed and beaten, but Craze played a set with them in NOLA at the Big Krit/Yelawolf show!) Ill post pics in my setup thread soon.
Osvaldo Newhall
16.01.2012
I agree with xonetacular. I personally specialize on 1200s/1210s. I do buy, refurbish and sell as well. Buying refurbished decks at the right price would depend on how the turntables were done, what cables and connectors were used and how intricate the craftsmanship was made to it.

A full refurbished deck by me would cost around $300. Same range for a fully restored 2nd hand unit.

You can check out my work here:

Works1200

Len Lukawski
16.01.2012
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
It's not luck, it's an art form.

If I were you I would look for a pair of M3Ds or MK5s for around $750-$800 in great shape and then throw the LED kits I use on there and you have a set of great decks.
This!
Karolis Petrauskas
16.01.2012
Maybe you should try find a set that works well but is a bit banged up on the exterior. You can always get deck plates to make them look nice. 12inchskinz.com has some nice looking plates for cheap. You can also do the led mods for about 40$ for the pair. Ebay has some easy to install kits that work well. Add some pitch decals to give it a crisp finish. I went the powder coating route but it was tough getting all the parts back in without screwing something up. I actually chipped one of the decks and f-ed it up.
Romelia Stankard
16.01.2012
Originally Posted by DJ SB
My only wisdom is I am glad I'm not the only one who's jealous of that guys craigslist 'luck'.
It's not luck, it's an art form.

As far as refurbished technics- it really depends on where you live and who did the refurb. Sometimes I would not want a refurb from some that go on ebay and if they are painted you don't know the quality unless they have a good reputation.

Same with ones with replaced RCA cables, they might be using big thick cables which can't fit through the RCA clamp and will put stress on the tone arm board and could get damaged.

If you get "refurb" make sure there are lots of pictures and you can see all the details especially to see where the RCAs go into the housing and if they ditched the clamp to get them to fit.

Personally if I were buying decks for myself I would just want to get the nicest looking 1200s I could find and then do the mods myself.

LED kits are cheap- I just ordered a bunch and did a partial group buy thing and it costs $18 for a pair of blue LED kits that take an hour to install with no soldering. Same with replacing cables- you can do that yourself for $20 or so.

While I can seem to find great deals, if I were looking to just get a pair for myself I would probably be looking for something different.

I would not be looking for MK2s but instead M3Ds or MK5s. M3Ds are usually the best deal if you can find them since they are cheaper than MK5s but once you throw an LED kit on it is the same as a MK5. For all intents and purposes I consider the only difference between M3D and MK5 to be the incandesent pop up which gets replaced with LED anyway.

If I were you I would look for a pair of M3Ds or MK5s for around $750-$800 in great shape and then throw the LED kits I use on there and you have a set of great decks.
Lisa Lochotzki
15.01.2012
I service Technics here, and I get load of custom one. Really, it depend of the quality of the guy behind. Some are really nicely done, quality paint & paint job, wiring done the right way... but some "looks" fine, but the quality of the paint and job inside is really bad.

No "real" big deal, you can still change the top cover or even redo the paint job... but it's no longer a $ deal.

What you see is not always what you get. I'm not sure if I would buy a pair of custom one myself.
Halley Wurzer
15.01.2012
Originally Posted by smittten
(shut up Xone - I know)
My only wisdom is I am glad I'm not the only one who's jealous of that guys craigslist 'luck'.

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