Pioneer DDJ-T1 - A slap in the face for Traktor users !!!
Pioneer DDJ-T1 - A slap in the face for Traktor users !!! Posted on: 21.01.2011 by Art Beatz Ok, let me start by saying that I was mesmerized when the Pioneer controllers surfaced, but all the excitement has worn down. I finally started opening my eyes.Here are my reasons: SLAP #1- both units are overpriced; other than the jog wheels there are no moving mechanics... F#@K what the Pioneer fanboys say! SLAP #2-The Serato controller has XLR outs- the Traktor version has 1/4" outs. That is a slap. DID YOUR HEAR IT ????? If you know anything about professional standards, you might have heard of XLR's... Slap #3 - There are no visual guides on the Traktor version; aka LED lights, VU meters, readouts etc. The Serato version has more to offer. Now, I know we have our laptop screens, but for $1300 do you believe it might help. Oh yeah, but you get one LED on each jog wheel that really is a pseudo light show. SLAP #4 - Pioneer knobs and buttons suck. The S4 has a better feel on the fingers. I had the Pioneer EFX machine for years and the knobs get loose and wobbily over time. That was an analog issue- it will be a disaster in the digital/midi side. SLAP #5 - Both Pioneer models units bury your laptop keyboard, and Pioneer overlooked the most vital element for proper laptop maintenance: VENTILATION. Your mac or pc is gonna get pretty hot under there! SLAP #6 - The Pioneer units are too big to move around for travel. I doubt they will conform to airline carry-on standards. I would hate to check it in as baggage... good luck! The S4 has a better chance to squeak by. SLAP #7 - Say goodbye to song searches- NO QWERTY. Remember- your keyboard is BURIED! This is a fundamental advantage of digital DJing. SLAP #8 - The Traktor Pioneer unit has it's very own "customized" version of Traktor software. Big mistake by Native Instruments. They should stick to the program that is uniformly better. Plus, they have Traktor Pro 2 coming in the horizon. You are out-of-the-loop with customization in the Pioneer market. So what happens when we get a NEW version of software? You go out and buy a NEW controller and empty your wallet all over again! SLAP #9 - Pioneer/NI, where are the digital outs??? No spdif or AES/EBU !!! I love analog, but we are in 2011. I would like to have the option. SLAP #10 - The Pioneer units have one thing going for them: their reputation for being a club standard, but sadly, they have not given us their best jog wheels that made them famous. A smaller scale of the CDJ-1000 jog wheels may have made the asking price a bit more modest. EPILOGUE: For $899, the NI S4 is a mindful investment. You are still paying a bit much by my standards (a Technics 1200 turntable goes for about $350 and look at all the mechanics and craftsmanship you get for the $$$$) OK, so I'm old school... I am sorry, but this is where I draw the line between controllerists and CDs. Pioneer is bringing the CDJs on board to the midi-controller market, but there is one problem: The Pioneer decks are designed for a CDJ- not a controllerist. So if you're a CDJ (I doubt it anyway, if you are reading this...), you might really want to do your homework in the midi-controller market if you want to cross over and make a worthwhile investment before you sell off your CDJ players and mixers. Lastly, I want to stress one thing. I have DJ'd for nearly 3 decades. Money was easier to make back in the day from gigging. It is tough now. Be wise with your money, and spending more of it won't make you any better. We are in the age of modest pricing- there's a F@#&ING recession going on!!! They are all selling chips, rubber and plastic for a lot of money, so be careful! -AVIATORMAN | |
| Maryanne Weatherill 24.02.2011 |
Originally Posted by aviatorman
I must also add the only reason i prefer xlr/ canon(old term) is because they latch on and i just feel more comfortable using them. I also noticed the odd time that with jack when you get a phone call/ text message at a gig you can get a slight interference. Haven't noticed this with xlr. |
| Kristofer Krauel 17.02.2011 |
Originally Posted by deevey
This just made my day!!! |
| Art Beatz 17.02.2011 |
Originally Posted by lsdave
Also, why would you compare a studio environment to a live DJ setup?; 2 completely different worlds... everybody knows about 1/4" to XLR converters... duhhhh? That's not the point: You know what would solve the problem???? I believe for dumping $1300 bucks ($1500 w/ accessories) Pioneer should have given users an extra set of outs. There is my mole hill right there. BTW, I don't know what laptop you use, but Macs vent from the bottom. If Pionner claims to know soooooo much about midi controllers, then why do they say: "YOU DON'T NEED TO USE THE KEYBOARD ANY LONGER" hmmmmmm..... where is the evolution in that ????? |
| Tatum Ansaldo 15.02.2011 |
Originally Posted by Dragonfyre
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| Buster Kiper 25.02.2011 | I really hope Aviatorman doesn't have a current pilot's license. I would hate to have him in the same sky with me |
| Maryanne Weatherill 24.02.2011 |
Originally Posted by aviatorman
I must also add the only reason i prefer xlr/ canon(old term) is because they latch on and i just feel more comfortable using them. I also noticed the odd time that with jack when you get a phone call/ text message at a gig you can get a slight interference. Haven't noticed this with xlr. |
| Art Beatz 24.02.2011 |
Its too small, and lacks many controls and features I desire .. its far less from perfect that the Pioneer even (In my opinion of course)
Wow Deevey- you really need to wake up, or maybe you haven't traveled much, but let me reiterate by stressing that the S4's size makes it easier to lug around; be it an airport, a bus or some other mode of congested transportation. Do you know how bad airport security is? Can the Pioneer survive a baggage check-in. Travel is only getting worse. It is NOT sized to carry-on standards. Let's face it, it is just not a versatile piece when you're on the move. You see, NI knows this; they could have opted on a larger controller with more spatially separated buttons, but it would not make traveling simple, and they understand that the new breed of DJs are very sophisticated techies. Face it, we are talking about Traktor and Serato controllers that run strictly on midi. The new Pioneers might be ok for a mobile setup, but you seem to have a strong embrace on the DJs of the past that get paid a shit load of money to stand around with a D4 record cleaning brush, sip drinks and play 2 hour sets (yeah- in a BIG ROOM...ooooohhhhh...aaahhhhhhh) Wow, what record is he gonna play next? (as everyone salivates in awe on the plexi-glass bumper guards!) Well ... those days are over. YOU NEED TO WAKE UP!!! The whole "play my set and GTFO" is lowering the bar by today's standard. The DJ booth is gonna start looking more and more like an airplane cockpit, and I am a big fan of the whole survival of the fittest ideaology. The turntable has evolved (did you miss the boat or WHAT!!!!) as a musical instrument with widespread acceptance, so in turn, the DJ is evolving as a controllerist. Look at DAFT PUNK, UNDERWORLD, THE CHEMICAL BROTHERS- are they "performing" or are they just ahead of the controllerist curve. They look like they're DJing by my standards. I appreciate what Pioneer has done, but if I already owned a club or a bar with 2 Pioneer CDJ-1000s and a decent mixer, why on earth would I upgrade to the new Pioneer controllers. It is the same design... Do you believe the mobile "wedding/special occasion" DJs are gonna chuck their old CDJs for this? WAKE UP!
Coming from a turntable background, its the PERFECT comfortable size with everything nicely spread out .... and not too easy to hit the "I'm drunk" buttons.
I would take a turntable any day over a controller- trust me. I used to spend hours upon hours hunched over an editing block with a reel-to-reel doing what can now be done in minutes with the technology available today.
Thank you Numark, thank you pioneer, hopefully we can get more "real" size controllers on the market.
Yet you specifically quoted your Mac cools from the bottom .. hmmmmm .. if your lappie gets hot, get a fan or get a stand .. They gave you an option which other manufacturers did not. Its not carved in rock that you NEED to put your laptop under there
Some of the flaws you speak of (1/4' jacks for example) are just YOUR personal preferences and does it effect function? , nope, will it effect people using it ? nope ... half the Jocks (yes even on this board) are probably using RCA's or RCA's > XLR or RCA > House mixer > to the main PA half the time anyhow.
Get any piece of hardware or professional grade signal processor. It is NOT about sound quality! It is about the reliability of your connection that can stand the test of mishaps and clutter. You can pour water over an XLR connection. You will break the hardware before you break the connection. That is what I call a reliable connection. Why should I have to see the S1 have XLRs, but not the T1. THAT IS A SLAP IN THE FACE FOR TRAKTOR USERS!!! Have you ever heard the frightening pops and crackling noises on a large system come out of 1/4" or RCA plugs that are wobblily or insecure????? You better have the limiters set up, or it will be a very short gig. DJing hip-hop always relied on a greater skill level than dance music. Just look at any old DMC battle footage. The dance DJ could not step up their game with CDJs, but the controller market is finally opening new doors for all dance DJs. And guess what? The hip-hop DJs are embracing controllerism and also taking it to the next level too! I don't give a S**T who you believe you are, but in the end, YOU ARE GETTING PAID TO PERFORM. So put on a performance. Stop preaching about how most DJs are too stupid and lazy to actually perform. "PLAY AND GTFO" "PLAY AND GTFO" "PLAY AND GTFO" "PLAY AND GTFO" "PLAY AND GTFO" I AM A DJ ! I AM A DJ ! I AM A DJ ! "PLAY AND GTFO" "PLAY AND GTFO" "PLAY AND GTFO" Thanks to test pressings and drugs, we have had it easy for years. It is finally time to PUT ON A SHOW. I am sick in the stomach by watching these glam-skinny DJs who get noticed for their looks and not their skills for all those she-she gigs that pay well. I MEAN WELL! "Hey you got the look- wanna play at my party honey?" The PIONEER is NOT a game changer. It simply symbolizes what we're used to and familiar with in the DJ booth. But what about the 1200's and the CDJs? I am not gonna abandon them for these 2 pieces of expensive plastic. The S4 is a game changer. (size and function) The Novation Dice is a game changer The NI X1 is a game changer The Korg Kaoss Pad is a game changer The Vestax VCI 100 is a game changer The MIDI FIGHTER is a game changer Go ahead and carry that faint torch and just admit that boring and dull will continue to pay the bills and symbolize the public's association with DJs. Yeah, I know most DJs suck, but I really don't need to be reminded on an epidemic that is now a standard for crap. I, on the other hand, will continue to move forward in the hopes of being remembered for what I strive to achieve while I have your ears locked-down to a vibe for a few hours. |
| Matthew Yanagisawa 21.02.2011 | I have worked in IT for 15 years and for Pioneer to even have the option to put the laptop under the controller it's pretty reckless on their part and while Macbooks have the cooling system for such setup, there are COUNTLESS other laptops ready to BSOD due heating problems. From the video above you can see the laptop more to the left of the unit where precisely sit a lot of the OEM's cooling solutions. As for 1/4 vs XLR I doubt club goers will notice since it's not only dependent on a compressed audio format but also many clubs offer shitty speakers in a shitty layout. The Pioneer controller is a fine piece of gear no question but when pitted against something like the S4 built by the same people who developed Traktor then yes, the S4 wins the race. I would have preffered the S4 to be a standalone mixer but maybe it was to keep price down, I dunno... As for myself while I mostly do EDM jog-wheels aren't used that much but if my interest of scratching arise (I have a spot for old hip hop in my heart) I would get some Technics to timecode with the S4. Upgrade is just $139 and would depend on how cheap I could get the TT's. |
| Edgar Freeze 21.02.2011 | Good to see lots of hot debate on this unit. Haven't combed through this whole thread but I look forward to doing so. In the meantime here's our recent demo on the T1. Our buddy Ayres was abled to come up with a four deck routine on a few days with it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiMS0OStZnk Being a turntable guy I don't believe he was ready to trade in his decks for it, but he said it was the best thing he had tried that would do the job at a mobile gig where turntables aren't practicle. |
| Rolanda Clodfelder 18.02.2011 |
ok- kooper1980,
So let-me-get-this-straight... essentially what you're doing is calling CDJs inept and inexperienced creatures that will create a widespread panic when there are surrounded by too many buttons (even with buttons clearly marked with the functions as plain as day! i.e. Native Instruments S4, X1)
Why stop at PAUSE, PLAY and CUE when you can add a few more buttons that could open up CDJs to a whole new user experience: CONTROLLERISM
In that aspect, for $300 more, the pioneer is just touching the tip of the iceberg. Do you have any idea how many DJ's are in this pot ? I've seen ones that used to throw a fit when they saw a Vestax Deck and not technics, cried when they were told the house CD decks were Numark CDX's .. and downright refused to play until the $2000 Rane Rotary mixer was swapped for a pioneer. Not all DJ's WANT to learn something new. They want to play the music feel comfortable and GTFO when they get paid.
a simple DJ user interface coupled with the extremities of controllerism. Thank you NI for setting a benchmark at such a reasonable price! Hey, maybe size does matter!
If I was a wedding or simpleton DJ (strip joints, bars etc.), I would not even need a controller- JUST 2 IPODS (LOL ) Oh... and if I needed to mix, why should I spend 4X the price [for a controller] if I can get one for about $250 with pitch sliders.
About the Pioneer design- you know, the option of using the stand you were talking about... the T1 is an oversized controller compared to most models (excluding the Numark NS7), and whether or not you use a stand, you will need to have arms the size NBA players to really get comfortable spinning.
Thank you Numark, thank you pioneer, hopefully we can get more "real" size controllers on the market.
Regarding the cooling:
Last time I checked, all laptop cooling systems (fan based too) work off the bottom of the computer. With that said, no matter how you cut it- you will minimize heat loss and airflow to the top and bottom of your laptop; provided the Pioneer unit does not get hot (which I doubt, but we have yet to hear about 10 hour sets and heat buildups) Last time I checked, the big rooms are open all evening ...
I like the PIONEER. I would use it in a club. The learning curve is a no brainer. My thread merely pointed out some design flaws between 2 models Pioneer decided to launch simultaneously for 2 breeds of computer based dj's (SERATO and TRAKTOR users) Clearly, there are some discriminatory features between the two, and I just want to ring the alarm to the members of this community
They did not launch for 2 Breeds of computer based DJ's IMHO, they launched a product aimed squarely at their current CDJ users as an adaptive step to MAKE them into computer based DJ's. Then went a step further and gave them a choice of software. I like the Pioneer too, but would probably go with something else (with a standalone mixer built in) and an extensive remap .. but then I'm one of the geeky ones. |
| Art Beatz 18.02.2011 | ok- kooper1980, you made a good point about the design simplicity approach by having a dumbed-down midi controller experience for CDJs. So let-me-get-this-straight... essentially what you're doing is calling CDJs inept and inexperienced creatures that will create a widespread panic when there are surrounded by too many buttons (even with buttons clearly marked with the functions as plain as day! i.e. Native Instruments S4, X1) No, I don't believe believe you are just targeting the design integrity of Native Instruments; But what about Reloop, American DJ, Numark, Vestax? Are their controllers too complicated for CDJs too? I can understand FaderFox and Ean Golden's Midi Fighter and certain novation models as being a bit too performance based for DJs, but they are basically add-ons, and that represents the very essence of a true DJ: TURNTABLIST. Why stop at PAUSE, PLAY and CUE when you can add a few more buttons that could open up CDJs to a whole new user experience: CONTROLLERISM In that aspect, for $300 more, the pioneer is just touching the tip of the iceberg. You see, the S4 is not trying to scare the unfortunate ones, but for about $800, they are giving you the best of both worlds: a simple DJ user interface coupled with the extremities of controllerism. Thank you NI for setting a benchmark at such a reasonable price! Hey, maybe size does matter! If I was a wedding or simpleton DJ (strip joints, bars etc.), I would not even need a controller- JUST 2 IPODS (LOL :eek Oh... and if I needed to mix, why should I spend 4X the price [for a controller] if I can get one for about $250 with pitch sliders. About the Pioneer design- you know, the option of using the stand you were talking about... the T1 is an oversized controller compared to most models (excluding the Numark NS7), and whether or not you use a stand, you will need to have arms the size NBA players to really get comfortable spinning. AND Regarding the cooling: Last time I checked, all laptop cooling systems (fan based too) work off the bottom of the computer. With that said, no matter how you cut it- you will minimize heat loss and airflow to the top and bottom of your laptop; provided the Pioneer unit does not get hot (which I doubt, but we have yet to hear about 10 hour sets and heat buildups) Last time I checked, the big rooms are open all evening ... I like the PIONEER. I would use it in a club. The learning curve is a no brainer. My thread merely pointed out some design flaws between 2 models Pioneer decided to launch simultaneously for 2 breeds of computer based dj's (SERATO and TRAKTOR users) Clearly, there are some discriminatory features between the two, and I just want to ring the alarm to the members of this community . |
| Kristofer Krauel 17.02.2011 |
Originally Posted by deevey
This just made my day!!! |
| Rolanda Clodfelder 17.02.2011 |
BTW, I don't know what laptop you use, but Macs vent from the bottom.
http://www.apple.com/support/macbook/care/
I believe for dumping $1300 bucks ($1500 w/ accessories) Pioneer should have given users an extra set of outs.
There is my mole hill right there. Now I'm not a Pioneer fan, you can read some of my other posts .. BUT. The pioneer is probably the closest to perfect controller for the regular Joe Soap wedding/radio/bar/club Jock who doesn't need advanced midi functions, 8 shift layers and sample decks coming out their backside ... the 90% bread and butter of Pioneers market. For every 500+ capacity banging club venue theres 20 strip joints, biker bars, chart clubs and bars with a set of pioneer CDJ's sitting in them that everyone knows how to use ...... Now i know plenty of jocks who have completely passed over the Digital DJ'ing age, not because of the software, not because they need to buy a laptop, not because of the price.. but quite frankly FEAR of not being familiar with the gear. They probably hit the nail dead on in the head, keep it simple, keep it familiar, & those using cd's will adapt. Where other manufactures all seem to be trying "a bit of this and a bit of that, ohhh we have to keep those guys happy too". Pioneer Bit the bullet, and brought out a functional controller. Now when it comes to the XLR's, yeah it cheapens the deal somewhat that they weren't included, possibly just a cost saving effort, possibly a supply issue, possibly just plain stupidity who knows .. considering that with pretty much EVERY controller we're going to have bones to pick, its a pretty small bone... if you don't feel comfortable with your macbook sitting under the unit, get a freakin stand (or just dont buy the pioneer)... All they did was give you the OPTION of doing it that way. You can have a gripe for EVERY controller thats hit the market so far. A&H 4D : Jogs aren't big enough NS7: Doesn't work properly with Traktor. Denon: Not Traktor Certified, not enough rotaries. S4: Doesn't have a standalone Mixer To name a few... Seriously where is my midi controller with 4 jog wheels 99 encoders 50 faders and 200 buttons all Organized in a fashion that I (and I alone) can understand. FFS Pioneer/Rane/A&H/Denon/Vestax - get off your ass! |
| Art Beatz 17.02.2011 |
Originally Posted by lsdave
Also, why would you compare a studio environment to a live DJ setup?; 2 completely different worlds... everybody knows about 1/4" to XLR converters... duhhhh? That's not the point: You know what would solve the problem???? I believe for dumping $1300 bucks ($1500 w/ accessories) Pioneer should have given users an extra set of outs. There is my mole hill right there. BTW, I don't know what laptop you use, but Macs vent from the bottom. If Pionner claims to know soooooo much about midi controllers, then why do they say: "YOU DON'T NEED TO USE THE KEYBOARD ANY LONGER" hmmmmmm..... where is the evolution in that ????? |
| Tatum Ansaldo 15.02.2011 |
Originally Posted by Dragonfyre
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| India Hakobyan 15.02.2011 | if someone is sooo worried about the repetitive use of 1/4" jacks, just look at studio patch panels. They withstand the rigors of constant use. Also look at headphone jacks on mixers. I have yet to plug my phones into a club mixer and the connection be shotty because of the mixer itself. And if it was STILL that much of an issue just make some male 1/4' to female xlrs and leave them plugged in. problem solved. also in regards to heat issues, most laptops vent from the rear of the laptop making the statement a non issue. Aviator man is making a mountain out of a mole hill. pioneer will do decently well with these based on the fact that they are known for building reliable products... |
| Bethel Eveleigh 13.02.2011 | Aviatorman has made a great and agressive review on the "downs" of Pioneer gear. I'm going to get a new controller and i don't know what to choose between Traktor S4 or Pioneer T1. A good question is I have Traktor Pro and I was believeing of updating to Traktor Pro 2. But if I buy a Pioneer i will not use it at full because of the sample decks, because Pioneer doesnt have the "sample" buttons like. =( I have a LPD8 and it is a solution but not the best. I was told that Traktor S4 has audio issues on Windows. That's true? Because I not believeing of buying a Mac only for this. =( |
| Dorcas Bassignani 23.01.2011 | hand dandy link to a thread that solves ALL of this http://www.djranking s.com/community /showthread.php?t=23733 |
| Dorcas Bassignani 23.01.2011 | i feel one of my 'definative' polls coming on... it's just like the S4 last year, but at least that was happy fun time debating. not PIONEER SUCK trolololololol.... yes, they are priced too high. yes they could've done more. and yes they should focus more on their car stereos than these pieces of shit. /thread |
| Jacque Divinity 22.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by djchriswoods.co.uk
Originally Posted by JesC
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| Milo Konig 22.01.2011 | AMEN I couldn't agree more theres a lot of plastic junk out there and manufactures are asking top dollar be a WISE shopper. ME I love my Denon DN-S3700s and my Allen&Heath Xone 4d both are built solid and you can feel it I use my 3700s in Hybrid mode but I can also switch to cd or usb mode which is great for me. |
| Lisa Lochotzki 22.01.2011 | once again, there's no difference in sound quality about 1/4 & XLRs... XLR are just more "secure" ... just to quote Maxted... We could even fit some Screws Terminal and the sound would be the same |
| Freeda Johnsey 22.01.2011 | OK, the quibbling over if the unit has 1/4" or XLR is pretty funny since no matter what, guess what's coming out of that? MP3's!! Highly compressed audio folks! So, will your audience really notice the difference if your 320 kbps mp3's are coming out of 1/4" or XLR's? Very seriously doubt it. Unless of course, you're buying and playing only 1411 kbps WAV files. |
| Kristofer Krauel 22.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by JesC
It's down to personal choice which you prefer. I dare say I could come up with an equal number of faults for most controllers on the market.... Yes even the beloved s4 (which in my opinion is FAR from perfect). If you like the look of the T1 then try it. If you don't like it then steer clear. Each to there own!! |
| Melinda Shick 22.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by aviatorman
And XLR and TRS transmit the signal in exactly the same way, with a seperate ground and two signals running out of phase. There is no difference. The only advantage, as mentioned before, is that XLRs are more secure in hardware terms. ----- Mil0 - They will definitely be balanced. As for the DDJ-T1, i like the look of it, i believe for somebody who wants a solid bedroom set-up and the ability to feel comfortable on CDJs it would be a good choice. |
| Arcelia Siebeneck 22.01.2011 | not all 1/4" jacks are balanced, as a side point... do we know if Pioneer are using balance or unbalanced connections? hopefully the former! I like the Pioneer effort a lot - its a hard call between it and an S4... |
| Leeanna Ayla 21.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by JesC
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| Cristian Carmona 21.01.2011 | All i can say is not bad for Pioneer 1st pair of DJ midi controllers. If you dont like, hey their are plenty of traktor controllers on the market. |
| Art Beatz 21.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by djchriswoods.co.uk
BUT, since you are on the topic: You are mixing up the studio environment with the live environment. I know that balanced TRS's are the same soundwise:higher dB output with less signal-to-noise ratio, but when you are thrust into a club, you would not have to worry about an XLR's connection as much as a 1/4". You have to see the physical advantages of XLR's over 1/4" plugs over the years as in the tradition of Bozak, Urei, Rane, Vestax etc. I am also a little peckish at Pioneer for releasing 2 semi-identical units that harness the same functions, but have discriminated Traktor users by not having the benefit of solid XLR connections in the back of the unit. The S4 has balanced 1/4's, but if they made their next controller with XLR's- the choice would be a no-brainer for DJ's that understand the benefits of a live setup. What you have in your studio will less likely be subjected to the perils of the plug-in-and-play schematic that countless bars and evening clubs have to offer. FYI My years of DJing paid every red cent for my studio. Nuff said!!! |
| Ulysses Vittetoe 21.01.2011 | If you don't put your laptop underneath that T1 the Pioneer reps are going to come over to your gig and and beat you over the head until you do. You're not allowed to put the laptop wherever you want! In fact, the T1 doesn't even turn on unless your laptop is sitting under it. |
| Teresia Janusch 21.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by aviatorman
also, id say a good 95% of studio gear has balanced jacks.. as for the 'taught me about audio'...my day job is broadcast engineering...which yes gear wise is dominated by XLRs, the main reason for that is the fact they latch...oh and most broadcast CTA's will have a patch bay made up of what....? you've guessed it...jacks, albeit Bantam jacks, but jacks none the less, all passing balanced audio....ur statement seemed to make out that jacks arent/cant be balanced... why pioneer put jacks on, i dont know, maybe they were tight on space, but in reality, it makes no real odds, wont sound any different...will just be a bit more annoying to wire up in a club...but to be honest, i dont care, i wont be buying one |
| Fe Kuchma 21.01.2011 | I believe Pioneer have gone from the industry standard to a step behind.. I believe they made these controllers with the intention of keeping their 2000s the industry standard. Just my 2 cents.. |
| Art Beatz 21.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by djchriswoods.co.uk
Also, i 'd take XLR's any day over 1/4 inch jacks in a club. Maybe your probably comfortable with 1/4 inch because you're an avid bedroom DJ. I don't know who taught you about audio but I sure as hell know the difference between balanced and unbalanced... So,why did they add XLR to the Serato version and not the Traktor version ? Also- 1/4" has a tendency to short more... brainiac !!! |
| Art Beatz 21.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by BennyJ
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| Elia Ajram 21.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by aviatorman
Originally Posted by aviatorman
Now about those VU meters... yeah I agree. |
| Teresia Janusch 21.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by aviatorman
yes XLRs are a standard connector for balanced signals in professional audio.... ...but so are 1/4" jacks im afraid to inform you...its still a balanced audio signal... in fact, ive just looked around my studio and realised that most of it uses 1/4" balanced outputs and inputs...my compressors, crossover, efx, graphic eq, meter bridge, moog voyager, microkorg.... oh and its all connected via a 32 way jack field lol |
| Matha Obray 22.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by chrisclarkie
Man up?? Haha im 6' 4'' looking down gets tiring quick. |
| Leann Sekulski 22.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by BennyJ
I'd much rather be seen looking down at a controller that up at a laptop screen, I believe most people would say the same and hence most controllers are drifting towards increased visual feedback on the hardware itself, for example the loop length display on the s4 Killer on the back? Man up! It's nothing on carrying around a crate of vinyls. I know that portability is an inherent advantage of laptop DJing, but that's not to say that it needs to be pushed to its extreme to sacrafice other factors, most notably build quality. I believe the T1 / S4 will appeal to laptop DJs like myself that prefer the purely digital format for the bonuses it brings to a traditional mixing style rather than offering an entirely new style of performance. Just my 2 cents |
| Matha Obray 22.01.2011 |
Originally Posted by chrisclarkie
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| Inez Marcinik 22.01.2011 | the "special" version of traktor you get with it is basically duo, but with 4 decks from what i can gather. |
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