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Midifidler's Pro-Control Development Thread
Posted on: 08.01.2009 by Adolf Hit
I have started this thread to document my progress in designing and building a system of custom controllers I intend to build.

These controllers are intended purely for use with Traktor Pro and hence will have quite specific control structures & groupings.

Ever since I started using Traktor Pro I have felt limited by the size & 2 deck design of the VCI.

When I looked at what companies have on offer there was nothing that met all my requirements.

The Xone 4D comes close, but costs close to 5K in the stores here and I have no need for all the analogue features it offers.

The Stanton SC system also garnered my interest but the transport controls are still based on the traditional platter paradigm, which IMHO is now a waste of space.


Hence I have decided to build my own controller which will,

1) Have a layout dedicated to controlling Traktor Pro how I want to use it, and also make the most of the midi features PRO offers.

2) Have a layout which is not cramped and provides plenty of space to work with

3) Have a build quality equal to what you get with any high quality mixer like a RANE or the NUO range


When I started to believe about how I would layout the control groupings I quickly realised that a single enclosure was not an option

Given the number of controls and the requirement for a spacious layout this system is going to cover a fair amount of bench space.

So to start things of here is the concept for the first part of the system, this will contain the mixing & global controls and has the following features.

4 Channels strips, each with

- a 60 mm fader
- 20 LED VU strip
- 6 backlit indented pots
- 5 backlit push buttons for Kills etc
- A cross fader assign toggle switch
- 3 x Back lit routing buttons to select Effects A, Effects B, and headphone monitor for each channel
(Im still tossing up exchanging two pots on each channel for encoders with led feedback)

A 50 mm cross fader with curve adjustment

A library browser control section
- I need to believe more about how I want to implement this but I have started of with a scroll wheel with click, and the track load buttons around this.

- A few spare backlit buttons for future proofing

Standard monitor controls using two backlit pots

A master BPM readout

And finally I intend to incorporate a USB hub into this controller. This way the other parts of the system can all plug into the mixer freeing up USB ports on my laptop, and providing the perfect mounting point for those super handy USB Gooseneck lamps

I will design this using the best possible Hub controller chip to guarantee reliable performance, and low latency.

Due to the high current required by back lighting all the pots etc I will design it to be mains powered (which it has to be to provide enough power to devices connected to its hub) but it will have a switch on the back which disables the LEDs for the pots and enable it to be powered of the laptop.

I have attached a screen capture of my concept sketch, I used software intended for designing PCBs so the colour’s are pretty funky. The box is 10" x 12" x 2"

Once I have finalised the layout and interface requirements I will model all individual components in 3D and complete the mechanical element of the design in Solid works.

Thoughts, suggestions, criticism …. Go!

PS My philosophy for this element of the system is that the Mixing and Global controls have the least requirement for flexibility, the old system of faders and a row of EQ controls still holds in the digital world, and once you have a solid method for browsing tracks your sorted.

So for those who will lament the lack of spare interface elements with ambigous layout (cough Bento cough) this first part of the system is not about getting wildly creative but about creating a controller for the bread & butter part of mixing that also provides a solid hub for the assortment of gear which makes every digital setup unique.

Concept_sketch.jpg
Xavier Emanuels
03.06.2009
Originally Posted by midifidler
Its a shame... I had spent over 100 hours on that design allready
Then you wont mind finishing it off and sending it to me then lol
ezequiel tapia
05.03.2009
Originally Posted by MrM
"Lets patent something extremely useful and not implement it properly on our products until infringement and imitation demands development!!!! "
point taken, however it is a non-trivial leap to assume that stanton's intent to protect the IP was to stymie competition and/or to later seek licensing / damages. it is not uncommon for patents to be used defensively, to prevent others from coming after you[1] or even in pre-trial IP disputes when you compare the plaintiff's infringements of *your* IP in further attempt to settle. yes, there are a hell of a lot of dodgy patent holding companies operating on the damages-as-income plan, but not everyone has such ill-intent.

that said, lets get back to what is really important -- midifidler's amazing controller project.



[1] i've seen companies get lined up for alleged infringement of a patent they them self could claim prior art for (though they hadn't pursued a patent). sadly, it isn't uncommon for them to just pay out, which can prove to be much cheaper than pay the legal fees associated with a trial, even if they had a clear case to invalidate.
Elba Kipp
05.03.2009
Originally Posted by midifidler
I believe Stanton or someone has a patent on using pot back lights to indicate the value or other information, man patent law is retarded......
I wish I could have been at that board meeting...

"Hey guys! How do we not increase our market share?"

"Lets patent something extremely useful and not implement it properly on our products until infringement and imitation demands development!!!! "

"Great idea!"
Arcelia Siebeneck
19.03.2011
so when are we likely to see or hear some more information about any DJTT midi controllers that might or might not be in development? :P

later this year?
Adolf Hit
19.03.2011
Heh I was just believeing about tracking this post down the other day.

For reference this came after I built the first few midifighters but before we started working on the commercially available version.
Random X
18.03.2011
Where was that coming from? :eek:
robert chanda
18.03.2011
More powerful than you can possibly imagine.

It can tell you the temperature over MIDI.
Leeanna Ayla
17.03.2011
Nice find Milo
Arcelia Siebeneck
17.03.2011
hah - I knew it!

It's just gotta be the case that DJTT is producing a mighty sequel to the midifighter...

can't wait!
Random X
17.03.2011
Be careful what you wish for.
Arcelia Siebeneck
17.03.2011
and soooo the midifighter was born? :P

(it's a shame this controller never made it past the drawing board btw)
Adolf Hit
04.06.2009
heh, waaay to busy ... just got offered a very cool project for some one very awesome. Will hit ya up on MSN later bro
Xavier Emanuels
03.06.2009
Originally Posted by midifidler
Its a shame... I had spent over 100 hours on that design allready
Then you wont mind finishing it off and sending it to me then lol
Adolf Hit
03.06.2009
This is one the back burner now ... I got a korg zero 4 which pretty much does all of this more awesomely and only cost me 1000 NZD.

Its a shame... I had spent over 100 hours on that design allready
Homer Chavarin
02.06.2009
midifidler == 1337 ][4x0|>_
Irving Delgado
16.05.2009
Curious about progress... ?
Xavier Emanuels
15.03.2009
im so tempted to eat noodles for the next 6 months to be able to buy one of these
ezequiel tapia
05.03.2009
Originally Posted by MrM
"Lets patent something extremely useful and not implement it properly on our products until infringement and imitation demands development!!!! "
point taken, however it is a non-trivial leap to assume that stanton's intent to protect the IP was to stymie competition and/or to later seek licensing / damages. it is not uncommon for patents to be used defensively, to prevent others from coming after you[1] or even in pre-trial IP disputes when you compare the plaintiff's infringements of *your* IP in further attempt to settle. yes, there are a hell of a lot of dodgy patent holding companies operating on the damages-as-income plan, but not everyone has such ill-intent.

that said, lets get back to what is really important -- midifidler's amazing controller project.



[1] i've seen companies get lined up for alleged infringement of a patent they them self could claim prior art for (though they hadn't pursued a patent). sadly, it isn't uncommon for them to just pay out, which can prove to be much cheaper than pay the legal fees associated with a trial, even if they had a clear case to invalidate.
Adolf Hit
05.03.2009
hey all,

I just brought a Korg Zero 4, while it is not perfect its pretty fuckin awesome so Im going to chill on this part of the project for now and start believeing about the transport control part of this system.

Stay tuned for some sweet touch sensitive goodness
Elba Kipp
05.03.2009
Originally Posted by midifidler
I believe Stanton or someone has a patent on using pot back lights to indicate the value or other information, man patent law is retarded......
I wish I could have been at that board meeting...

"Hey guys! How do we not increase our market share?"

"Lets patent something extremely useful and not implement it properly on our products until infringement and imitation demands development!!!! "

"Great idea!"
ezequiel tapia
05.03.2009
wow, this is an amazing and inspiring project, kudos! makes me wish i knew more about electrical engineering to better understand the specifics.

i wonder if it would be advantageous to natively use OSC as the communication protocol and implement MIDI on top of that (likely next-to as both would require different connection mediums -- ethernet and usb). MIDI is great as it is ubiquitous, but aside from that, what does it really offer that OSC doesn't offer with higher resolution, more clarity, more control and better performance?

it seems like as long as we continue to use MIDI, we will continue to use MIDI. sure, there is stuff like the great OSCulator and other OSC<->MIDI apps written in Max, but it would be great if it were supported in-unit. what kind of hardware will be on board? i've implemented OSC on an arduino (14K flash 1K RAM) over ethernet and that works pretty well, but obviously this project would need a few more inputs :0)
Irving Delgado
05.03.2009
So how are things going?
Any approximate date you plan to finish it?

Also, I really might be interested in buying it if the price isn't insane and if it turns out to be as good as I'm expecting.

Good luck and a lot of respect for your work!
Florrie Henio
18.02.2009
sic looking design bro! can't wait to have a jam on it once you've finished
Dj Daxsen
18.02.2009
I'll rape your benefits... ummmm, I mean reap. Easy typo I swear!
Virginia Ortiz
18.02.2009
muhahaha i reap the benefits of knowing teh genius
Xavier Emanuels
18.02.2009
Originally Posted by midifidler
But they wont be cheap as this controller costs around 400 USD dollars in parts alone.
How about i just make an awesome bomes preset for it and we will call it even ?? lolz

Seriously though, wish i had the $ to get one of these !
Adolf Hit
18.02.2009
There is a chance I will make a number of these once Ive finished developing mine.

But they wont be cheap as this controller costs around 400 USD dollars in parts alone.

Still when you compare its function to similar controllers out there (and the lack of anything quite like this) its not really that bad.

More updates coming this weekend!
Minh Boey
18.02.2009
Please say you are hoping to get this mass manufactured and sell this globally?

Coz i'm sure i won't be the only one wanting to buy it! hehe
Cristian Carmona
14.02.2009
Now it make sense
Xavier Emanuels
13.02.2009
Originally Posted by midifidler
I'm an electronic engineer by day so that helps a bit
Hes also half man half machine.
Adolf Hit
13.02.2009
I'm an electronic engineer by day so that helps a bit
Cristian Carmona
13.02.2009
Originally Posted by midifidler
Another update,

I have started the mechanical design, and decided on a tasty sandwich of Steel, Aluminium & Acrylic. The aluminium plate with all the cut out sits over the pots and provides a solid surface for the pots to screw onto. Then the acrylic sheet sits over the top of this hiding all the ugly bits. I'm going to silk screen the markings to the bottom of the acrylic plate and then paint over this, using a stencil to mask of the holes for the led bar graphs and BPM meter
Then the steel top plate sits on top of the aluminium plate and around the acrylic plate.
For some reason my software rendered the knobs, and PCB as chrome so it all looks a bit wack in this picture.

Next step is to finalize all the physical dimensions and control spacing now that I can visualize them properly

Man your stuff looks very clean, do you do this professionally at your day job?
Adolf Hit
13.02.2009
Another update,

I have started the mechanical design, and decided on a tasty sandwich of Steel, Aluminium & Acrylic. The aluminium plate with all the cut out sits over the pots and provides a solid surface for the pots to screw onto. Then the acrylic sheet sits over the top of this hiding all the ugly bits. I'm going to silk screen the markings to the bottom of the acrylic plate and then paint over this, using a stencil to mask of the holes for the led bar graphs and BPM meter
Then the steel top plate sits on top of the aluminium plate and around the acrylic plate.
For some reason my software rendered the knobs, and PCB as chrome so it all looks a bit wack in this picture.

Next step is to finalize all the physical dimensions and control spacing now that I can visualize them properly
Cristian Carmona
10.02.2009
the project is starting to look sweet.
Adolf Hit
08.02.2009
I thought I'd do a quick update on progress over the last few weeks.

The schematics are complete save for the main power supply & hub

I have nearly finished the main pcb, just a couple hundred tracks to go....

I finally got solid works again so I have started modeling the components and started on the mechanical design/model.

I have also brought samples of the components I intend to use, the rotaries feel great, by far the best Ive felt on any controller.

However the back lit pots are pretty litz, I brought the smallest size and they feel really crappy, however they do a larger version with a longer threaded neck which should improve the wobble so I will buy one of those and see how it is.

Also the back lit pots dont have detents, Im not really sure how much I care about this, will have to get this decided upon before I order the PCBs.

I have attached some renders of the main PCB as it stands now, you can see the light pipe assembly I designed placed around the rotaries encoders, this pipes the light from the tiny bi-color leds placed on the PCB up to just below the label, preventing bleeding from other leds near by, and maintaining good brightness levels.
Adolf Hit
27.01.2009
Heh, TSSOP is easy to solder you just need to use a little wick after to remove any shorts, the usb controller I am using is QFN - that is going to be the tricky part!
robert chanda
28.01.2009
Originally Posted by midifidler
Im using texas instrument 16 LED controllers, the TLC5924 & TLC5928.
They're all QFN or TSSOP packages. How am I supposed to deal with that!? Give me DIP or give me Death!
Xavier Emanuels
27.01.2009
Originally Posted by midifidler
man patent law is retarded......
Amen - so much for helping to "inspire" creativity.
Adolf Hit
26.01.2009
@Anthony More

Cheers! - Im looking forwards to seeing your VCI finished.
Adolf Hit
26.01.2009
Thanks for the link Robin,

Im using texas instrument 16 LED controllers, the TLC5924 & TLC5928. The 24 can drive up to 80 mA per channel and allows 127 step individual dimming of each LED, the 28 only does 25 mA (From memory) and does not allow dimming, but costs a few dollars less.

I had not initially planned on making the pot back lights controlled but I may as well for only $3.5 more cost.

I believe Stanton or someone has a patent on using pot back lights to indicate the value or other information, man patent law is retarded......

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