xone 3d vs xone 4d for traktor pro
xone 3d vs xone 4d for traktor pro Posted on: 04.03.2010 by Evita Stuckman believeing about getting a xone what's the difference between 3d and 4d when it comes to traktor application anyone using a xone 4d only with traktor? no external cdj or decks | |
| Vernon Positano 06.05.2010 |
Originally Posted by mmauve
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| Evita Stuckman 05.03.2010 |
Originally Posted by mix architekt
thanks for the clarification!! I was looking at your mapping for 4d on your site and noticed that the jog wheels are not used for searching? can you explain a little bit about your mapping and how it applies to traditional style of DJing.. let's say i don't want to use sync and want to beatmatch manually using pitch slider and nudge on platter.. is the 4d and your mapping capable of emulating traditional non synced DJing? thanks!! |
| Evita Stuckman 04.03.2010 | believeing about getting a xone what's the difference between 3d and 4d when it comes to traktor application anyone using a xone 4d only with traktor? no external cdj or decks |
| Jenine Dischinger 05.01.2012 | Hi there, i know im kind of reviving an old thread but im in a bit of a pickle. I cant get my recent bought on ebay xone 3d to work properly with my traktor on mac os x lion. Can anyone provide me with a good .tsi file and how to setup the audio with details? I also would love to have the jog wheels for seeking the song, not for library music searching. Thanks! |
| Brant Briski 13.05.2010 | i believe you mean BPM, right? the red display at the top left? you can use the 4D to send midi clock to external devices via tap tempo or tempo analysis... it can also be used to sync the lfo's for the filters, etc... |
| Hilario Easthouse 11.05.2010 | Ok perfect, thanks alot man, i have it all mapped out and everything is working awsome. JUST ONE MORE QUESTION lol what does the BMP on the 4d ment for? |
| Brant Briski 09.05.2010 | in both the problems you're having with your effects mapping and the pitch control, you most likely need to change the encoder mode to relative and set the other parameter that i can't remember the name of at this point to 7Fh/01h. then adjust the sensitivity to something really low, and work your way up till you feel comfortable. that should allow for smooth operation. the other thing for the effect knobs jumping about is the 4D's map mode. the 4D has two modes of operation - map 1 and map 2. map 1 has the top row of rotary encoders set so that cw/ccw turns trigger midi notes. map 2 is a bit more traditional, in that the rotaries are assigned midi cc's, which offer predictable knob like functions depending on your midi mapping. to set to map 2, selectable on the poweron setup mode, by holding the left rotary encoder above the left jogwheel on power up. and for the jog wheels to act like cdj platters, you'll want to experiment with pitch pend and scrub settings. if you check out my xone:dx map, i set up a modifier that switches them between bend and scrub modes, which may be interesting for you. the jogs are in no way a replacement for a 12" disc or a 7" cdj platter, they're more like a dual deck cd jog wheel with a few button presses... good luck - tim |
| Hilario Easthouse 09.05.2010 | ok awsome! i got everything working. sound is good and everything with the updates of the drivers. thanks a million man. But i'm trying to do what you said with using the nob above the jog as the pitch controller, i dont believe i'm setting it up right. Because when i set it up, as soon as i turn the nob, the pitch fader jumps up, it doesnt fade up and down smoothly, it also happens when i'm trying to map the nobs on the top right and left corner of the 4d for my effects on traktor. it doesnt rotate the dials smoothly it just jumps the dials to the left or the right, it doesnt just rotate in a smooth manner. And is there a way i can use my job wheels as a a way to control the track thats playing like you would with a timecode vinyl or cdj? i cant figure it out Thanks again. Ps. i'm sorry i'm nagging you with all these questions, but for some reason out of all the websites and community s i'm gone on for help, you are the only person to lol |
| Brant Briski 09.05.2010 | well, you don't need your audio 4dj interface anymore, as the xone:4d replaces that. the setup will be laptop -> usb cable -> 4D -> speakers. that's it. when you say you can't get any sound from it, are the meters bouncing when you play a track in traktor? if not, then make sure the sound card inputs are engaged by pressing the buttons below the line/phono buttons on each channel. if it's not connected to traktor, then: did you install the drivers? either way, go here and get the newest ones from xone. read the details pertaining to your operating system, and download: http://www.xone.co.uk/drivers/ if your drivers are installed properly you should be able to select the 4D as an audio device in traktor, then configure the output routing accordingly. if you look at the 4D user guide on my site, i have screen shots of how the audio bits should be configured. the audio setup preference panel is where you select the xone:4D as your audio interface and set the latency. the output routing is where you will configure your deck routing when using external mixer mode. if you've imported my tsi with "audio device settings" checked, it should configure it for you, but sometimes that doesn't translate cross platform - as i'm mac based. the screen shots will help you get the routing straight. and make sure the midi in and out ports are set up as well, which is part of the controller manager. hope this helps - t |
| Hilario Easthouse 08.05.2010 | hey mix architekt, i finnally got my xone 4d, and i honestly cant get any sound from it. i cant figure out how to set it up, What i have is: Sony laptop(vaio) windows vista 64bit traktor duo audio 4dj xone 4d is there a site that can give me steps to set it up?? Thanks!! |
| Hilario Easthouse 08.05.2010 | thanks again architekt, im book marking your website as we speak, getting my mixer tomorrow! cant wait. I hope its a better choice of me getting the 4d than a mixer and two cdjs. |
| Brant Briski 07.05.2010 | for reference, the rotary encoders above the jog wheels are easy enough to map as accurate pitch controls, where one click equals a point what-ever-percent adjustment. if you check out the xone:dx map i did on my site there's an example of jogs and rotaries in a more traditional scrub and pitch setup. it actually sounds like you may be more interested in using traktor scratch pro with the xone:4D. you can get a "certified mixer edition" of traktor scratch for a discount as a 4D owner, then use it's internal sound card to handle timecode with a proper turntable... good luck and hope the mixer meets you well. |
| Hilario Easthouse 07.05.2010 | dude...thanks a million for your reply, it helped alot. i'm gettin my 4d this saturday, i had traktor, then switch to rane 57sl, dint really like the mixer OR serato..traktor is far more customizable, but that debate is for another community
, but my main concern was, since i was giving up my turntables, i was hoping to use the jog wheels AS IF they were turntables, and from your post i assume that its an easy step to take. even tho traktor gives us the chance with beat grids and syncs, i kkinda like the idea of my controlling the track my self, so hopefully when i get i can map it in a way that a) i can adjust the pitch fader b) i can manipulate the track as i would with a cdj or turntable. haha i'm stoked!! again thanks for your reply! |
| Brant Briski 06.05.2010 | @ chilloutpod mine are here: http://www.mixarchitekt.com/midi.html i just updated the user guide with a lot of pictures, which should help explain things a bit. as for manipulating tracks like a cdj or time code, there are scrub and seek functions that could be mapped to the jog whee;s, but relative to their small size, the results would be similar to a dual deck cd player. on a different note, the seek function on the smaller rotary encoder with a high rate is surprisingly cool for quickly searching a track... |
| Vernon Positano 06.05.2010 |
Originally Posted by mmauve
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| Roselle Mcnaul 06.05.2010 | the 3D is also USB 1.1, whereas the 4D is USB 2.0 |
| Hilario Easthouse 06.05.2010 | hey i was wondering where i could find the mapping to the xone 4d, and also would you be able to use the jog wheels to control the track as you would with a timecode or cdj? thanks! ps this is my first post! and im new to this site haha |
| Brant Briski 05.03.2010 | hi the idea behind this map was to create 4 decks of control to be accessible at all times with the least amount of shifting required for getting to performance functions. it also is a reflection of my own methodology in working with traktor, which is based on using sync, no time code, and lots of cue points on each track... the reason why the jog wheels are not used for primary scrubbing is because i search tracks using cue points when previewing. i usually have at least 6 cue points per song, if not more. there is a seek/scrub function on the rotary above the left jog wheel, which allows one to get any where in the song quite quickly. that came as a suggestion from our mate milan. the right jog wheel is for searching the file list, and the rotary above it is for scrolling the file tree. the left jog wheel isn't used rotationally, but the buttons give access to pitch bend, sync and key lock on a focused track. i believe some of the concepts in my map would be suitable for what you want to do, but some of the main controls would have to be resorted for pitch bend on the platters and the main pitch per deck on a fader... with only two jogwheels, you'll need to decide if you want to use them in layers (which is quite easy since there's an internal midi layer shift or you could write modifiers to allow such...) or run them on a deck focus basis. the same would need to be thought out for the pitch sliders - after using the xone:dx where the pitch is on a rotary, i would highly suggest considering that. it's a different but extremely precise feel, which allows for two adjustment levels using the push function. for instance, it's default mode could be one click = 1% and then a push and twist = a big jump... if you end up getting a 4D and want to modify the mapping, we're always happy to help. |
| Evita Stuckman 05.03.2010 |
Originally Posted by mix architekt
thanks for the clarification!! I was looking at your mapping for 4d on your site and noticed that the jog wheels are not used for searching? can you explain a little bit about your mapping and how it applies to traditional style of DJing.. let's say i don't want to use sync and want to beatmatch manually using pitch slider and nudge on platter.. is the 4d and your mapping capable of emulating traditional non synced DJing? thanks!! |
| Brant Briski 05.03.2010 | the differences between the two are hardware oriented, specifically with the audio interface. the most relevant details for traktor use are these: a 3D has 3 stereo usb channels routed back into the mixer, and is limited to 16/48k operation. you'll only have 3 decks of traktor up, unless you get into some third party applications to access the 4th deck through a different device. the 4D has the same soundcard as the 2D, and thus has 4 stereo usb channels coming back into the mixer and runs at a maximum of 24/96k. it's a nice fit for traktor pro. i have never had an interest in using timecode with traktor, so i've always run the d-series mixers by themselves... it's great. |
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