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Kontrol X1 or new Kontrol X? Posted on: 18.01.2012 by Regan Berzin Dilemma for myself, to wait and buy the new Kontrol X? or to buy the X1? since we have no info yet on the new Kontrol X? (price etc) I wonder will the X1 come down in price when the new controller comes out! what would u guys do?
Regan Berzin 03.02.2012	Originally Posted by Jester.NZ delete all the timecode shit in the default mappings for the x1. basically just look for anything that says relative or absolute and delete it. where do I find the default mappings?
Fae Schuur 28.01.2012	Originally Posted by DJKeyWee Thanks for proving my point....CLOWN.
Hipolito Scionti 27.01.2012	Originally Posted by dylanmc111 I bought the X1 in the end might consider the new controller in the future too! I'm looking for help with regards to setting up the X1, I'm aware its "plug and play". But here's the problem I'm having. I have 2 CDJ 1000s, DJM 800 using Audio 8 with time coded CD's(TSP2). I go through the set up wizard in TSP2 and its fine, I can use the Kontrol X1 fine, but its when I use the CDJs the problems start, it won't allow me to use both the CDJs and Kontrol X1 at the same time. I either use the Kontrol X1 or CDJs when using TSP2(2.1.2). I thought I could have the best of both worlds?! CDJs and X1? But when using the CDJ to play one track then try to put a loop in with the X1 the track stops and goes from absolute mode. Another question, I can't cue a track up at the start with the X1, it won't allow me to hear the first beat of a track What mapping are you using? Stock? You can't use loops in absolute mode, you need to be in relative mode as i understand it The scroll feature on the x1 is using "beatjump" in the mapping so you don't hear it scrolling. But you should be able to hear it cued up. The stock mapping is funny though if you have scratch control selected then the cues don't work (you can over ride this in the mapping but it's fiddly) as it assumes you're using the cdjs to control the cues. Use it in relative mode for starters and then try. also look at the hot cue bit of the mapping, that should work. Or look out for other x1 mappings that may be more what you want
Regan Berzin 27.01.2012	Originally Posted by zestoi i suspect they'd look pretty damn cool next to each other indeed all I have to do now is get the X1 working right for me with my CDJs
Chasidy Heckenbach 27.01.2012	Originally Posted by dylanmc111 I bought the X1 in the end might consider the new controller in the future too! i suspect they'd look pretty damn cool next to each other
Lisa Lochotzki 25.01.2012	Originally Posted by mrkleen ... no one that uses Traktor - also uses Ableton.
Chasidy Heckenbach 25.01.2012	Originally Posted by mrkleen Why would NI develop their own DAW - when there are already so many out there that are fully developed and fully in use? No matter the developments that NI makes in this next version of Traktor. It absolutely will have full implementation with Ableton. It would be moronic of them not to make that an option. we don't have any real details on what 2.5 will and won't add yet - so this is mostly mental masturbation and for a lot of dj's some more advanced sample deck features in traktor may well be enough to stop needing to sync to ableton. nothing "moronic" about not going the full hog and having a "full implementation with Ableton". no point in integrating ableton gui stuff in traktor anyway - as people would always complain about what was and wasn't included. and if you're using the full ableton gui then surely all your need is to be able to sync/route them together anyway? i haven't used max4live but if seems to do a heck of a lot more than with just midi for live, which would help to integrate a personal setup of traktor+live
Fae Schuur 25.01.2012	Originally Posted by kooper1980 Haha we'll see then. Surely they'd fully integrate maschine LONG before ableton. But listen don't take my word for it. You just sit there and wait. I'll bookmark this though and be sure to come back and discuss this again when Traktor ISN'T fully integrated with Ableton. Your obsession with it is blinding you. Traktor isn't a DAW and I'd hazard a guess that NI don't want it to become one. It's dj software. End of. Yeah, you do that.
Clinton Voran 25.01.2012	Originally Posted by kooper1980 That's not the point. The point is why would NI care about you using Ableton? Why would they care enough to want to integrate it into their own software? Yes people use the 2 in tandem but not enough to warrant a MAJOR software upgrade. Listen you dream away, I just don't want you disappointed when what you wish for doesn't happen! Of course NI would care dearly about allowing integration with software from other vendors (aka, NI would have to shell out $$$ to Ableton). For them to have that kind of integration, there must be some sort of licensing agreement between NI and a company like Ableton because NI would undoubtedly need Ableton to provide them with some sort of API to build such an integration. It actually makes more sense for NI to do what they are doing with Traktor 2.5 than for them to go knocking on Ableton's door. For the Traktor DJ, it's evident that when they do integrate Ableton into their set up, they are using Ableton in a very limited way. For such a limited use of Ableton, there's really no reason for one to even need Ableton apart from the few uses one has for it can't currently be done anywhere else but in Ableton. So, this leads us back full circle to Traktor 2.5, it's a smart move for NI to just include the few features that Traktor DJ's use Ableton for into Traktor itself (it's not like NI is building a full Ableton Live DAW competitor here). So bottom line here? For NI the choice is to A) pay Ableton money and then spend resources on creating some sort of native Ableton integration in which they would probably not be getting $$$ back for because that is something that they would probably not be charging existing users OR B) create their own Ableton Live type functionality that they see Traktor users using Ableton for, not have to pay Ableton $$$, AND this is the biggie, they get to charge users a upgrade fee for. If I was NI, I would hands down go with option B.
Fae Schuur 25.01.2012	Originally Posted by kooper1980 That's not the point. The point is why would NI care about you using Ableton? Why would they care enough to want to integrate it into their own software? Yes people use the 2 in tandem but not enough to warrant a MAJOR software upgrade. Listen you dream away, I just don't want you disappointed when what you wish for doesn't happen! Why would NI develop their own DAW - when there are already so many out there that are fully developed and fully in use? No matter the developments that NI makes in this next version of Traktor. It absolutely will have full implementation with Ableton. It would be moronic of them not to make that an option.
Fae Schuur 25.01.2012	Originally Posted by kooper1980 And why would it be silly if NI didn't make it easier for people who choose to route their audio through another companies software?! NI and Ableton are completely separate companies. Yes...you are right. Because no one that uses Traktor - also uses Ableton.
Lisa Lochotzki 03.02.2012	you don't find it it will find you delete them all, plug you x1 the default one will appear.
Regan Berzin 03.02.2012	Originally Posted by Jester.NZ delete all the timecode shit in the default mappings for the x1. basically just look for anything that says relative or absolute and delete it. where do I find the default mappings?
Latoria Kavulich 01.02.2012	delete all the timecode shit in the default mappings for the x1. basically just look for anything that says relative or absolute and delete it.
Larraine Hannum 01.02.2012	New controller looks awesome sauce, april can't come soon enough. To be honest I'm more stoked about the Traktor 2.5 tandem release. Looks like they totally revamped the way samples work, for the better.
Fae Schuur 28.01.2012	Originally Posted by DJKeyWee Thanks for proving my point....CLOWN.
Hipolito Scionti 27.01.2012	Originally Posted by dylanmc111 I bought the X1 in the end might consider the new controller in the future too! I'm looking for help with regards to setting up the X1, I'm aware its "plug and play". But here's the problem I'm having. I have 2 CDJ 1000s, DJM 800 using Audio 8 with time coded CD's(TSP2). I go through the set up wizard in TSP2 and its fine, I can use the Kontrol X1 fine, but its when I use the CDJs the problems start, it won't allow me to use both the CDJs and Kontrol X1 at the same time. I either use the Kontrol X1 or CDJs when using TSP2(2.1.2). I thought I could have the best of both worlds?! CDJs and X1? But when using the CDJ to play one track then try to put a loop in with the X1 the track stops and goes from absolute mode. Another question, I can't cue a track up at the start with the X1, it won't allow me to hear the first beat of a track What mapping are you using? Stock? You can't use loops in absolute mode, you need to be in relative mode as i understand it The scroll feature on the x1 is using "beatjump" in the mapping so you don't hear it scrolling. But you should be able to hear it cued up. The stock mapping is funny though if you have scratch control selected then the cues don't work (you can over ride this in the mapping but it's fiddly) as it assumes you're using the cdjs to control the cues. Use it in relative mode for starters and then try. also look at the hot cue bit of the mapping, that should work. Or look out for other x1 mappings that may be more what you want
Regan Berzin 27.01.2012	Originally Posted by zestoi i suspect they'd look pretty damn cool next to each other indeed all I have to do now is get the X1 working right for me with my CDJs
Chasidy Heckenbach 27.01.2012	Originally Posted by dylanmc111 I bought the X1 in the end might consider the new controller in the future too! i suspect they'd look pretty damn cool next to each other
Regan Berzin 27.01.2012	I bought the X1 in the end might consider the new controller in the future too! I'm looking for help with regards to setting up the X1, I'm aware its "plug and play". But here's the problem I'm having. I have 2 CDJ 1000s, DJM 800 using Audio 8 with time coded CD's(TSP2). I go through the set up wizard in TSP2 and its fine, I can use the Kontrol X1 fine, but its when I use the CDJs the problems start, it won't allow me to use both the CDJs and Kontrol X1 at the same time. I either use the Kontrol X1 or CDJs when using TSP2(2.1.2). I thought I could have the best of both worlds?! CDJs and X1? But when using the CDJ to play one track then try to put a loop in with the X1 the track stops and goes from absolute mode. Another question, I can't cue a track up at the start with the X1, it won't allow me to hear the first beat of a track
Lisa Lochotzki 25.01.2012	Originally Posted by mrkleen ... no one that uses Traktor - also uses Ableton.
Chasidy Heckenbach 25.01.2012	Originally Posted by mrkleen Why would NI develop their own DAW - when there are already so many out there that are fully developed and fully in use? No matter the developments that NI makes in this next version of Traktor. It absolutely will have full implementation with Ableton. It would be moronic of them not to make that an option. we don't have any real details on what 2.5 will and won't add yet - so this is mostly mental masturbation and for a lot of dj's some more advanced sample deck features in traktor may well be enough to stop needing to sync to ableton. nothing "moronic" about not going the full hog and having a "full implementation with Ableton". no point in integrating ableton gui stuff in traktor anyway - as people would always complain about what was and wasn't included. and if you're using the full ableton gui then surely all your need is to be able to sync/route them together anyway? i haven't used max4live but if seems to do a heck of a lot more than with just midi for live, which would help to integrate a personal setup of traktor+live
Fae Schuur 25.01.2012	Originally Posted by kooper1980 Haha we'll see then. Surely they'd fully integrate maschine LONG before ableton. But listen don't take my word for it. You just sit there and wait. I'll bookmark this though and be sure to come back and discuss this again when Traktor ISN'T fully integrated with Ableton. Your obsession with it is blinding you. Traktor isn't a DAW and I'd hazard a guess that NI don't want it to become one. It's dj software. End of. Yeah, you do that.
Clinton Voran 25.01.2012	Originally Posted by kooper1980 That's not the point. The point is why would NI care about you using Ableton? Why would they care enough to want to integrate it into their own software? Yes people use the 2 in tandem but not enough to warrant a MAJOR software upgrade. Listen you dream away, I just don't want you disappointed when what you wish for doesn't happen! Of course NI would care dearly about allowing integration with software from other vendors (aka, NI would have to shell out $$$ to Ableton). For them to have that kind of integration, there must be some sort of licensing agreement between NI and a company like Ableton because NI would undoubtedly need Ableton to provide them with some sort of API to build such an integration. It actually makes more sense for NI to do what they are doing with Traktor 2.5 than for them to go knocking on Ableton's door. For the Traktor DJ, it's evident that when they do integrate Ableton into their set up, they are using Ableton in a very limited way. For such a limited use of Ableton, there's really no reason for one to even need Ableton apart from the few uses one has for it can't currently be done anywhere else but in Ableton. So, this leads us back full circle to Traktor 2.5, it's a smart move for NI to just include the few features that Traktor DJ's use Ableton for into Traktor itself (it's not like NI is building a full Ableton Live DAW competitor here). So bottom line here? For NI the choice is to A) pay Ableton money and then spend resources on creating some sort of native Ableton integration in which they would probably not be getting $$$ back for because that is something that they would probably not be charging existing users OR B) create their own Ableton Live type functionality that they see Traktor users using Ableton for, not have to pay Ableton $$$, AND this is the biggie, they get to charge users a upgrade fee for. If I was NI, I would hands down go with option B.
Kristofer Krauel 25.01.2012	Haha we'll see then. Surely they'd fully integrate maschine LONG before ableton. But listen don't take my word for it. You just sit there and wait. I'll bookmark this though and be sure to come back and discuss this again when Traktor ISN'T fully integrated with Ableton. Your obsession with it is blinding you. Traktor isn't a DAW and I'd hazard a guess that NI don't want it to become one. It's dj software. End of.
Fae Schuur 25.01.2012	Originally Posted by kooper1980 That's not the point. The point is why would NI care about you using Ableton? Why would they care enough to want to integrate it into their own software? Yes people use the 2 in tandem but not enough to warrant a MAJOR software upgrade. Listen you dream away, I just don't want you disappointed when what you wish for doesn't happen! Why would NI develop their own DAW - when there are already so many out there that are fully developed and fully in use? No matter the developments that NI makes in this next version of Traktor. It absolutely will have full implementation with Ableton. It would be moronic of them not to make that an option.
Kristofer Krauel 25.01.2012	That's not the point. The point is why would NI care about you using Ableton? Why would they care enough to want to integrate it into their own software? Yes people use the 2 in tandem but not enough to warrant a MAJOR software upgrade. Listen you dream away, I just don't want you disappointed when what you wish for doesn't happen!
Fae Schuur 25.01.2012	Originally Posted by kooper1980 And why would it be silly if NI didn't make it easier for people who choose to route their audio through another companies software?! NI and Ableton are completely separate companies. Yes...you are right. Because no one that uses Traktor - also uses Ableton.
Kristofer Krauel 25.01.2012	Yeah triggering clips with sample decks not Ableton!
Kristofer Krauel 25.01.2012	And why would it be silly if NI didn't make it easier for people who choose to route their audio through another companies software?! NI and Ableton are completely separate companies.
Fae Schuur 25.01.2012	Originally Posted by kooper1980 Listen.... Please stop wasting your time anticipating an Ableton bridge. It just won't happen!!! Like I said all that shows is the new sample deck options. Has chuff all to do with Ableton! Have you not seen the new NI video where they talk about Traktor 2.5? I suggest you watch it. Then come back here. Yup...watched it. The performer was triggering clips. Sound familiar?
Kristofer Krauel 25.01.2012	Listen.... Please stop wasting your time anticipating an Ableton bridge. It just won't happen!!! Like I said all that shows is the new sample deck options. Has chuff all to do with Ableton! Have you not seen the new NI video where they talk about Traktor 2.5? I suggest you watch it. Then come back here.
Fae Schuur 25.01.2012	Originally Posted by 0.0 Those are the new sample decks from the Traktor 2.5 release, color coded to match the grid on the F1. Nothing in that screenshot indicates Ableton integration. We shall see. It would be really stupid for NI to expect all of their users who already incorporate Ableton and Traktor - to have to rework all of their sounds and samples into a new traktor - without ability to simply link to Ableton.
Dierdre Stillabower 25.01.2012	Originally Posted by mrkleen You mean like this screen shot from THIS very site. Those are the new sample decks from the Traktor 2.5 release, color coded to match the grid on the F1. Nothing in that screenshot indicates Ableton integration.
Fae Schuur 26.01.2012	Originally Posted by kooper1980 What video have you seen that shows it as an Ableton bridge?? Only vid I've seen purely shows it triggering sample slots in Traktor. You mean like this screen shot from THIS very site.
Leeanna Ayla 19.01.2012	The new NI controller looks to be dedicated to sample decks. The video shows two on the new controllers and an X1 to be used for transport duties. If you don't use the sample decks, I don't believe you would get much use out of the new controller.
Latoria Kavulich 19.01.2012	Jansen are the authorised A&H dealers here. Retail on the K2 is $499 NZ with free shipping.
France Evoniuk 19.01.2012	Originally Posted by Jester.NZ get two x1's and the k2. Genius. 4 deck internal mixing, only need an Audio 2.
Latoria Kavulich 18.01.2012	get two x1's and the k2.
Chasidy Heckenbach 18.01.2012	def wait.... the new controller is very different to the X1 plus the K2 is due out any time now which might be the best of both worlds... (apart from the gorgeous rgb led pads on this new one ofc )

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