UC-33/e vs BCR2000

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UC-33/e vs BCR2000
Posted on: 22.02.2012 by Patrica Giancaterino
Please pardon for the large post..

Looking to add some knob control to compliment my monome setup. I used search and couldn't find a thread on this subject already, so I figured I'd make one because these controllers are old but still useful and relevant. I plan on using a setup with 8 channels in live of possibly volume and mostly FX. So a few points I'd like to have people clear up between the two are
-build quality (both case and actual components)
-driver quality
-am I really going to hate soft takeover that much?
-is there better controller for the price?
-Difference between UC-33/e?
I was dead set on the BCR mostly because I heard the build quality of the UC was horrible. After some searching I've heard users say the UC's build is actually pretty good. Then I realized, it'd be nice to have some faders plus the UC is smaller plus the BCR is ugly. Either way my facts on the units are too cloudy to make a definite decision, so if you all could post which you have used and which you prefer. And no K2 recommendations or anything, I'm looking for cheaper control.
Thanks a ton for the help!
Sherry Nyblom
25.02.2012
Originally Posted by Zhao
My only concerns of the BCR are its size and lack of faders. The thing really is gigantic. Trust me though, if I don't go with the BCR it won't be because it isn't a good controller.
Take BCF, it has motorized faders.... exactly what you need. If not then BCR.
Random X
23.02.2012
Originally Posted by Zhao
My only concerns of the BCR are its size and lack of faders. The thing really is gigantic. Trust me though, if I don't go with the BCR it won't be because it isn't a good controller.
Basically, the majority of current day (4 deck) controllers is bigger.
Ryann Elmaleh
23.02.2012
Originally Posted by Zhao


If you still have it in about two weeks I'll possibly take off your hands.
Pm me when you want it
Patrica Giancaterino
23.02.2012
Originally Posted by Patch
BUT - soft takeover on the UC-33e DOESN'T WORK in Ableton Live.
So basically if the volume wasn't where I left it and I moved a fader, it would jump? bummer..

Originally Posted by deevey
What about a BCF2000 ?
I thought about it, but it's far too large and not as cost efficient IMO.

Originally Posted by carl
I've got a uc33e in trying to get rid of if your looking to get one
If you still have it in about two weeks I'll possibly take off your hands.
Patrica Giancaterino
22.02.2012		Please pardon for the large post..

Looking to add some knob control to compliment my monome setup. I used search and couldn't find a thread on this subject already, so I figured I'd make one because these controllers are old but still useful and relevant. I plan on using a setup with 8 channels in live of possibly volume and mostly FX. So a few points I'd like to have people clear up between the two are
-build quality (both case and actual components)
-driver quality
-am I really going to hate soft takeover that much?
-is there better controller for the price?
-Difference between UC-33/e?
I was dead set on the BCR mostly because I heard the build quality of the UC was horrible. After some searching I've heard users say the UC's build is actually pretty good. Then I realized, it'd be nice to have some faders plus the UC is smaller plus the BCR is ugly. Either way my facts on the units are too cloudy to make a definite decision, so if you all could post which you have used and which you prefer. And no K2 recommendations or anything, I'm looking for cheaper control.
Thanks a ton for the help!
Patrica Giancaterino
26.02.2012		About the APC 20, I currently am using a monome with 128 buttons, which is why I'm selling the launchpad. I gotta know when to stop with the buttons
I'm seriously torn though.. I may just pick one and if I don't like it return it.. dunno.
Random X
25.02.2012		I gotta be honest, but you you can be way more precise with an endless encoder set to relative mode!
Sherry Nyblom
25.02.2012
Originally Posted by Zhao
My only concerns of the BCR are its size and lack of faders. The thing really is gigantic. Trust me though, if I don't go with the BCR it won't be because it isn't a good controller.
Take BCF, it has motorized faders.... exactly what you need. If not then BCR.
Random X
25.02.2012		Well, if you're selling the launchpad, you might want to look into the APC-20?
Patrica Giancaterino
24.02.2012		I will look into the bcf, but the reason I would like faders is that I'll be running some apps on my monome where I'll have 8 channels so it would be nice to have volume control through a fader on them. As for the launchpad I'm afraid you'll be seeing a post in the buy/sell community s soon enough. Sort of sad to see it go but.. not really. Anyways thanks for the tips n such.
Random X
24.02.2012		Well, if it's less mixing, I don't see the direct need for faders, maybe knobs could give you a more precise control than faders.

one time a friend of mine had a live gig, brought and mapped both his UC33 and his BCR2000.
Not even half way through the gig he let the UC33 be for what it was and only used the BCR from that point on.

And to be honest, if your working live gig with automations, I'm believeing automated faders would help you loads more. Try to see if the BCF does anything for you, next to a BCR.
(This is taking in account you already have a LaunchPad.)
Patrica Giancaterino
23.02.2012		Good point, but I'm not comparing it to DJ controllers per se.. really looking more into developing my live set unfortunately that means less mixing, but I'll definitely keep a traktor mapping handy of whichever controller I purchase.
Random X
23.02.2012
Originally Posted by Zhao
My only concerns of the BCR are its size and lack of faders. The thing really is gigantic. Trust me though, if I don't go with the BCR it won't be because it isn't a good controller.
Basically, the majority of current day (4 deck) controllers is bigger.
Ryann Elmaleh
23.02.2012
Originally Posted by Zhao


If you still have it in about two weeks I'll possibly take off your hands.
Pm me when you want it
Patrica Giancaterino
23.02.2012		My only concerns of the BCR are its size and lack of faders. The thing really is gigantic. Trust me though, if I don't go with the BCR it won't be because it isn't a good controller.
Random X
23.02.2012		The BCR2000 is still considered one of the better Ableton Live controllers, next to the ACP-20 and 40 ofcourse.

You don't have to believe me, you may also take Tim Excile's word for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5SVhGg5UV8
Patrica Giancaterino
23.02.2012
Originally Posted by Patch
BUT - soft takeover on the UC-33e DOESN'T WORK in Ableton Live.
So basically if the volume wasn't where I left it and I moved a fader, it would jump? bummer..

Originally Posted by deevey
What about a BCF2000 ?
I thought about it, but it's far too large and not as cost efficient IMO.

Originally Posted by carl
I've got a uc33e in trying to get rid of if your looking to get one
If you still have it in about two weeks I'll possibly take off your hands.
Ryann Elmaleh
23.02.2012		I've got a uc33e in trying to get rid of if your looking to get one
Rolanda Clodfelder
23.02.2012
-am I really going to hate soft takeover that much?
YES, espessially if the FX are per channel (if it was available anyhow)

Pots are just horrible IMHO for anything except dedicated control of a device e.g 3 band EQ

build quality
About the same, neither feel particularly solid IMHO.. plasticy

is there better controller for the price?
What about a BCF2000 ?
Brunilda Kora
23.02.2012		You'd be mad to take the BCR over the UC-33e. There is NOTHING wrong with the build quality, and it is class compliant (ie - no drivers required).

BUT - soft takeover on the UC-33e DOESN'T WORK in Ableton Live.

The difference between the UC-33e and the UC-33 is just that the UC-33e can "dump" it's settings via sysex. Not that important.

Now go buy a UC-33e!

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