Something new from Pioneer tomorrow? - Pioneer RMX-1000
Something new from Pioneer tomorrow? - Pioneer RMX-1000 Posted on: 15.03.2012 by Amira Gotcher There's lots of chat on Twitter today about a big announcement from Pioneer tomorrow.At first I thought it must be the CDJ2000 Nexus that everyone has been speculating about recently but i'm starting to believe it might be a new FX unit. Sasha tweeted earlier that he'd got to see a new 'thing' today from Pioneer which he said was a game changer. I'm intrigued to see what they've come up with... | |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 16.03.2012 | I don't know why no one has made an external send and return box that you can plug into a mixer between your cdj/TT and the mixer, so you can route whatever channel you want to the external effects then back into the mixer to be eq'd as normal, I wanted something like it when I stopped using my djm600 a year or so ago and could no longer use my efx1000 or kp2 as a result... it would mean no post fader delay without a unit like the efx of rmx that can modify the level of both the input and the output of the effect unit. or sending the effect to the master, but did anyone really care about post fader delay's until jesus spoke... p.s. guiltyblade your signature says you have a djm700... that has a send and return, so you don't need a new mixer at all |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 27.03.2012 | This video is pretty good at explaining the features of the unit, I like that you can change the settings in you computer to upload to the device via sd, still won't entertain the thought of getting it though... |
| Danae Dumler 25.03.2012 | Got to play with this thing quite a bit at WMC; it's definitely all it promises to be and maybe then some. The effects sound nice but they are just way too heavy handed for me; the fact that this thing is easy to use just means we are going to hear these effects over and over all over the place. Hearing many DJs day after day at WMC has really made me appreciate those who don't over-use effects and just concentrate on a smooth mix. Even some well established DJs were way over-doing it with filters and effects; I fear that this tool will just tempt more and more of that sort of nonsense. There is no reason to flange in and out every 16 bars. You don't need to filter things out at max resonance every time. You don't need to echo out of every song. I'm convinced David Morales built up those muscles he loves to show off by too much tweaking filters and EQs. These are great tools but in the hands of the wrong people they are un-musical in my opinion. But I also don't want to say easy to use effects shouldn't be in the hands of the "masses"; just that it would be nice if the "industry standard" products encouraged more subtle use of them. |
| Kristofer Krauel 25.03.2012 | To be fair its a 4 min video. I wouldn't really want much more than that in 4 mins. |
| Dorie Scelzo 20.03.2012 | If that's what JZ got out of it, I'm not the least bit impressed. |
| Cliff Lohman 20.03.2012 | Ya, was hoping for a bit more rmx and less korg.. |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 20.03.2012 | now we get to see what this baby was made for, watching it now... that's false advertising, most of it was using the korg... It seemed to me that the rmx was too wet absolutly killing the main track when he first used it, although the roll and white noise he did after that was pretty effective, but as armyofme showed it's possible in traktor with the beatmasher, iceverb and echo and I have done it in vdj with noisebell and looproll... One thing is for sure though James Zabiela has to be the happiest dj on earth and acid still rules the rave. |
| Cliff Lohman 20.03.2012 | |
| Alla Bluemke 17.03.2012 | oh I know. I just want a 900 lol. |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 16.03.2012 | I don't know why no one has made an external send and return box that you can plug into a mixer between your cdj/TT and the mixer, so you can route whatever channel you want to the external effects then back into the mixer to be eq'd as normal, I wanted something like it when I stopped using my djm600 a year or so ago and could no longer use my efx1000 or kp2 as a result... it would mean no post fader delay without a unit like the efx of rmx that can modify the level of both the input and the output of the effect unit. or sending the effect to the master, but did anyone really care about post fader delay's until jesus spoke... p.s. guiltyblade your signature says you have a djm700... that has a send and return, so you don't need a new mixer at all |
| Alla Bluemke 16.03.2012 | Its looks pretty interesting to me honestly. But I'm mostly a CDJ user who plays at bigger clubs. When I play smaller gigs I use my s2, but if a place has this I would want to use it for sure. If street price is 800 bucks thats not bad honestly. Its something I would certainly look into, but I gotta upgrade my mixer first! |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 16.03.2012 | i believe you will find that the rmx doesn't have the standard effects like filter, flanger, phasor, delay, for those effects you are better off getting an efx1000 and then you get the feedback loop/pitch echo which is insanely fun to use, the ones on this unit seem much more layered in the scene effects where you have combinations of complimentary effects with signal generators.. I also looked at the video again and it appeared when james zabiela was doing his trademark transform scratch he was playing with the x pad, but it didn't appear to change the sound or timing of the transform... In regards to the beatmasher and the gater you are misinformed as the beatmasher is a copy of pioneers roll effect and the gater is called trans on pioneer gear. It also looked like james zabiela combined a white noise and the trans effect for an effect very similar to what the gater in traktor produces. Finally if you want to get the most out of effects you should consider switching to Virtual DJ as this will most likely be able to run the vst version directly in the program without having to route the audio and you can take advantage of using other pristine vst effects for filter, delay, reverb, flanger, equalizer, compressor, bit crusher, granulizer (stretch), aswell as the many vdj effects including a fantastic copy of the feedback loop of the efx 1000, looproll/beatmasher, frequency gate as on the djm2000... And VDJ8 is just around the corner so if atomix listen to and impliment the missing features from djdecks all our requests it will be better than any other software on the market... About the post fader delay, im not sure if it is the delay or the echo, i just did it at a mates house once, but it took about 30 seconds to figure out, but the kill send does exactly the same thing as the freeze button, it just filters out the sound gradually with the position of the knob, i believe djtt made a video in one of there blog posts a while back, but you should figure it out if you play with the knobs in advanced, there is only 3 that it could be and for some reason i believe it is the one on the right... |
| Albertina Blau 16.03.2012 | @synthet1c Hmm, if that is required to connect rmx 1000 with s4 that would be really complicated, I hope there is simpler way to connect it. I didn't understand you about making that postfader echo in traktor, if you thought about using freeze button when delay is advanced mode, I have already tried that but it isn't good enough as echo on pioneer mixers, it sounds too synthetic, in other words it sounds like it looped that part of song and slowly fades it out, like it is cuted, and on pioneer mixers it sounds more natural, so that is one of reasons why I would use rmx 1000, also that lofi is not comparable to pioneer's crush effect. Don't look at me as pioneer fanboy, because I sold my cdjs 2000 and djm 400 to buy traktor and mbp, and I am very happy with that setup, it only lacks good pioneer quality effects (like filter, flanger, echo, crush, new reverb, noise and all those new effects), but effects like beatmasher and gater are something that pioneer lacks. I have already wrote to traktor about updating their effects, and they agreed with me, but it seems that they are investing their time into creating sample decks and other stuff, and that is the only reason I would like to buy this unit. |
| Cliff Lohman 16.03.2012 | As for timing, i like that it has nudge buttons.. The efx1000 loops would always float slightly out of sync (or alot if bpm was off). |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 16.03.2012 | @gaki - I thought you could make an effect send with traktor... if you can't you could probably route the audio to ableton with jack, then from ableton into the rmx1000, then back to ableton then back to traktor to your speakers... the s4 has 4 inputs but not sure if it has 6 outputs eg headphone, master 1, master 2, so you may need an extra audio 2 or similar soundcard to get the audio out of your computer into the rmx... btw you can already do an effect with exactly the same sound as a post fader delay in traktor, go into the delay in advanced mode and there is a kill send knob, just use that instead of the volume, or if you know how to map set a button to activate the delay and set a modifier that can change your volume slider to control that knob while you have the mapping active.... and I believe that the ice verb in advanced mode will create an effect similar to white noise by filtering the lows and reverbing the highs with a little resonance, not sure about a bit crusher as I dont use traktor, but my money is on it being there aready. You are right about the filter though I believe it sounds terrible. [edit]I believe the bitcrusher is called lofi in traktor[/edit] About the timing of the rmx it sucks that the feature of the 8 size buttons is gone, but in the promo vid dashi dance is using one of the build noise effects and changing the "sub parameter 2" knob to change the lfo filter frequency on the white noise, the efx1000's bpm timing is perfect 99% of the time so it should be the same for this, and there is a tap button for when it is wrong, but if it is just using the knob or the x pad it won't be as precise as it's predecessor. I wonder if this has modular routing options like the efx1000, with that you can choose the signal flow from left to right or right to left, if you can route the noise generators to say a transform then an echo it would be pretty cool, but I believe the most interesting feature of this device is the release effects, hopefully there is a knob to control the decay of the echo so you can have a slow or non degrading echo. |
| Cliff Lohman 16.03.2012 | Looks like itll be 800 street price usd |
| Cliff Lohman 16.03.2012 |
Originally Posted by gaki
As for post fader, it will depend how u route it in ur audio setup. If u send ur master out of s4 and into the rmx then out to the speakers, yes itll be post fader. |
| Random X 16.03.2012 |
Originally Posted by papo
Love their shop and their mentality. (Probably why I like it on the boards here as well ) |
| Albertina Blau 16.03.2012 | Hey I am very interested for this unit, so I have few questions, how will we be able to control time parameters for those echoes, reverbs etc., I don’t see time parameter buttons (1/2, 3/4, 1/1…), also I have question, I would really like to use this unit with s4, because traktor doesn’t have good post fader echo effect, filter is not the best, there is no crush, white noise…. so I am asking is it possible to connect this rmx 1000 with s4 and to use those effects as post fader effects, in other words when I turn on echo and pull down volume fader will there be echo trail like on the pioneer mixers? |
| Leeanna Ayla 16.03.2012 |
Originally Posted by TheSoundBureau
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| Carlotta Fabick 16.03.2012 | I'm curious to see if Allen & Heath will come up with something to compete. Their effects are in a different league |
| Boyce Engbrecht 16.03.2012 | The VST aspect of this is what is interesting me the most. Means I can finally properly use an effects processor alongside my S4! Hope the VST will be sold separately too. Now just trying to believe what other controller I could map all this stuff out to! Any suggestions? |
| Albertina Fay 16.03.2012 |
Originally Posted by tekki
cool! thanks for the info.. |
| Kristofer Krauel 16.03.2012 |
Originally Posted by geminimech
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| Verlene Geevarghese 16.03.2012 | The software based bedroom enthusiasts are KILLING this thing on the blog post. I've seen a lot of 'I can buy a laptop, lpd8, and ableton and do the same thing'. News flash Walter Cronkite, this ain't aimed at you I don't have a use for this as a 'room hobbyist, but I can see it's market. |
| Kristofer Krauel 16.03.2012 |
Originally Posted by DJ Bob
Based on the facts this is a relatively cheap device that has been announced with very little fuss or showmanship. (in comparison to other recent releases). If you are not a software dj I can see this adding sufficient creativity to your set up to warrant the cost. Up until now this level and quality of effects is only available from pioneer if you spunk |
| Random X 16.03.2012 | Ahhhhh, papo already posted it. Don't sweat it Bro', @ToneControlODS is a legit webshop. I have done a few reviews for them and I try to buy my gear from them as well. Honest people trying to help you out best way possible.(Same as this community ) |
| Random X 16.03.2012 | Here's a link for my Dutch friends: http://t.co/84bbyLT |
| Amira Gotcher 16.03.2012 | Just to be clear 'game changer' was from a tweet by Sasha after having seen the RMX for the first time yesterday, it was just some personal opinion. Pioneer haven't used this term themselves. It's being priced at |
| Cliff Lohman 16.03.2012 | Looks interesting and good to see there are hardware-only options still coming. I am surprised they didnt really target feedback looping (as far as i can tell) as that was one thing the efx1000 was really good at. I still havent seen software do it like the efx1000 did. Am i missing something in the rmx1000 or will feedback looping not be possible with it? |
| Shonda Soulier 16.03.2012 | Looks like a fantastic piece of hardware. I don't believe it's a ripoff (or game-changer) by any means like some initial reactions. I posted this in the article comments: The idea is rock solid and the capabilities are immense, but for the price I can't wrap my head around the following: why there aren't more inputs, why it's not made from more rugged materials, and why the drum pads aren't a tad bit larger and doubled (8 total). 1.) Many DJs are running 4 deck setups now...there should be 4in/4out Line/Phono with switches to select which deck(s) you're controlling effects for. 2.) Would it have diminished profit margins so much to give it an aluminum chassis? That would have gone a long way in itself. It just looks cheap...when I first saw it I thought $400 tops. 3.) I'm not saying they have to reinvent the MPC but 8 slightly larger drum pads would have been a huge difference-maker. The versatility would skyrocket--you could either have 2 active kits or 1 huge kit. If it had those features, $999 would be a much more understandable price point. |
| Leeanna Ayla 16.03.2012 | merged |
| Brunilda Kora 16.03.2012 | Might have been of more interest if it had more inputs (1 per deck - up to 4 decks???) I'm interested in HOW it does what it does, and why it can't be/isn't being emulated in software (ie - take a live input and sync all of its effects/functions to the tempo of the input...) |
| Leeanna Ayla 16.03.2012 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
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| nayit ruiz jaramillo 16.03.2012 | As i suspected. My "game" has not been "changed". Looks fun but... Game Changer Meh when are people gonna use that term and it actually mean anything. It doesnt change the game it just changes how you mess about with a track. Or am i being too cynical..? |
| Palma Hanslip 16.03.2012 |
Originally Posted by DJ Bob
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| Amira Gotcher 16.03.2012 |
Originally Posted by Liambo
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| Palma Hanslip 16.03.2012 | I like the idea of it. Not sure how much of it i could put to use and if i could buy it, but Pioneer has came up with something quite interesting and fun. I'm really starting to get irritated by Pioneers pricing though and i'm a huge fanboy that has normally never cared about pricing. |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 16.03.2012 | I believe I prefer the interface of the efx1000, it was built with no flashy futuristic bullshit, yet ergonomic in its use with the round size buttons, would have been awesome if the jog was touch sensitive and it could send midi not just receive it... but the main thing I want to know is can it do a feedback loop |
| Ulysses Vittetoe 16.03.2012 | $999 MSRP mean it should be pretty good at street price. Looks like a really fun piece of kit. I want to see the software it comes with... |
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