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S4 vs VCI-400???? pros/cons

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S4 vs VCI-400???? pros/cons Posted on: 15.02.2012 by Dagmar Oblock I just purches the S4 for $760 brand new but I don't know if I messed up, should I wait to get the vci 400? What's the pros and cons with the two, please help thanks.
Rosemarie Legans 28.02.2012	Originally Posted by Agastya You're welcome. And yes, I do speak, write and read the language on a intermediate level. And I'm Asian, so sometimes they mistake me for a native Thai By the way, if the correct HS code for audio mixers is 85.18.40 then the import tax is 60% However, you might get lucky if the officer sees the "Made in Malaysia" (normally this should be supported by a CO, certificate of origin) on the device. Then it will be tax exempted, or 5% according to his mood. If I had known that the VCI-400 was made in Malaysia, I would maybe had made the trip down south to get one instead of making one of my friends fly one in. Then its not a mixer but a computer controller. If it wouldn't be the case (if I go with the VCI 400) that I wanted the Ean edition I would have done this another way too. But for that Ean one, I can't see any other way to go.
Lorilee Nadalin 28.02.2012	Originally Posted by vestax Thanks for the size. I just checked and last time I got 5% import (as on most electronics) and VAT 7%. Dont know if you speak the language but that does often help in general. You're welcome. And yes, I do speak, write and read the language on a intermediate level. And I'm Asian, so sometimes they mistake me for a native Thai By the way, if the correct HS code for audio mixers is 85.18.40 then the import tax is 60% However, you might get lucky if the officer sees the "Made in Malaysia" (normally this should be supported by a CO, certificate of origin) on the device. Then it will be tax exempted, or 5% according to his mood. If I had known that the VCI-400 was made in Malaysia, I would maybe had made the trip down south to get one instead of making one of my friends fly one in.
Rosemarie Legans 28.02.2012	Originally Posted by Agastya I hope everything will go well for you. About the DJ gear prices here in Thailand note that the distributor gets better rates (exemption from BOI, etc.) and is taxed on the import amount. What usually helps is that the import is done by a smaller freight forwarder, avoid FedEx, UPS and DHL. For the sizes of the device: 46cm x 32cm x 6cm, roughly. Thanks for the size, thats just a few cm less wide than S4. Good regarding my case. I just checked and last time I got 5% import (as on most electronics) and VAT 7%. Dont know if you speak the language but that does often help in general.
Lorilee Nadalin 28.02.2012	Originally Posted by vestax I know for example vehicles ends up with 210% tax. The last VCI 100 I ordered from DJTT and got about 10% tax. The same with other gear. If you check the prices of DJ gear in the stores they are not double to the USA price too which they would have been otherwise as with import cars. Maybe Ive been lucky. Guess I can let you know soon because I am about to order VCI 400 EG Edition or the S4. I just hope it will be as usual, otherwise :eek: I hope everything will go well for you. About the DJ gear prices here in Thailand note that the distributor gets better rates (exemption from BOI, etc.) and is taxed on the import amount. What usually helps is that the import is done by a smaller freight forwarder, avoid FedEx, UPS and DHL. For the sizes of the device: 46cm x 32cm x 6cm, roughly.
Chuck Intravia 28.02.2012	I live in indonesia, and yes things get pretty expensive. But if you put your money in the right pockets and smile you'll get away fine. But it's true that these customs offices kinda do whatever they want. Originally Posted by kooper1980 The s4 is only a midi controller and cannot be used as a standalone mixer. Therefore you can play regular vinyl through the channels but you have no control over the EQ or line volume. Sad but makes sense. Doesn't apply to timecodes does it?
Rosemarie Legans 28.02.2012	Originally Posted by Agastya You better explain me how then because I have several litigations running with the Thai Customs about incorrect duty calculations. Every product has a HS code, it's called the harmonized system used to import and export goods. These codes are supposed to facilitate customs to classify the goods in order to calculate the correct import tax. Unfortunately what I've encountered with import here in Thailand is that these codes are not respected by the customs officers. Both for private imports and imports for my company that concerns mostly with FTA tax exemptions. And if you don't pay the "tea money" to the right persons, you can say goodbye to your shipment or pay the fine that's 200% of the taxation excluding administration fees. I know for example vehicles ends up with 210% tax. The last VCI 100 I ordered from DJTT and got about 10% tax. The same with other gear. If you check the prices of DJ gear in the stores they are not double to the USA price too which they would have been otherwise as with import cars. Maybe Ive been lucky. Guess I can let you know soon because I am about to order VCI 400 EG Edition or the S4. I just hope it will be as usual, otherwise :eek:
Lorilee Nadalin 28.02.2012	Originally Posted by vestax Not true at all. I done it with different things including things from DJTT. Yes import fees as anywhere but take away about 90% of what you said You better explain me how then because I have several litigations running with the Thai Customs about incorrect duty calculations. Every product has a HS code, it's called the harmonized system used to import and export goods. These codes are supposed to facilitate customs to classify the goods in order to calculate the correct import tax. Unfortunately what I've encountered with import here in Thailand is that these codes are not respected by the customs officers. Both for private imports and imports for my company that concerns mostly with FTA tax exemptions. And if you don't pay the "tea money" to the right persons, you can say goodbye to your shipment or pay the fine that's 200% of the taxation excluding administration fees.
Kristofer Krauel 28.02.2012	Originally Posted by Pedrotax I see, thanks. The s4 does have VU also next to master output. There are just minuscule. Anyone know about the line faders VU? Yes you can. You just need your laptop to be on. Vinyls through S4 and vinyls through soundcard with VCI... The s4 is only a midi controller and cannot be used as a standalone mixer. Therefore you can play regular vinyl through the channels but you have no control over the EQ or line volume.
Leoma Larouche 03.06.2012	I hear where you are coming from but I don't completely agree. Both controllers have MIDI out, so even if driver support were to stop you'd still be able to use your controller through MIDI (assuming nothing is physically broken) for many years to come. And even if, say, a couple of knobs were damaged it'd still do a pretty good job as a VST plugin controller. I am sure the S4 is up to the job, but a great number of us appreciate quality, I guess it's a personal quirk. For me working with a piece of kit I am not fully satisfied with is a massive turn-off, so I'd rather spend a little more and have a quality device. Incidentally, is there anything the S4 can do that the VCI400 can't, and vice versa? In theory there should not be any limitations, right? If you need more buttons you can always get an F1 or any other MIDI controller, even a MIDI keyboard would do. One thing I notice with regards to the layout is the location of the decks. On the VCI400 these are located near the front of the unit, whereas on the S4 they are at the back. Not sure how critical this is in practice but I suspect depending on your DJing style one layout may be more suitable than the other. On the VC400 there are four buttons just above each deck, and only a narrow gap between them--I wonder whether the deck would get in the way when trying to hit those buttons.
Leoma Larouche 02.06.2012	Hi everybody, first post here. I am also torn between the excellent build quality of the VCI-400 and the perfect integration of the S4. I own other NI gear (Audio Kontrol 1 and Kore 1) and I would like to add my 2c to the discussion: 1. ASIO multiclient driver: Most ASIO drivers are NOT multi-client, whereas NI ASIO drivers are multiclient and support any number of clients. I have an RME Fireface 400 sound card, which is supposed to be of very good quality, and it has some sort of half-assed ASIO multiclient whereby you can have several ASIO clients e.g. Traktor and Live usind the Fireface at the same time BUT they must output to different channels. By contrast, with NI drivers you can have any number of ASIO clients outputting to the same chanel, which is amazing. So my question is: is the VCI-400 multiclient ASIO or single clietn? 2. User configurable MIDI messages: All NI controllers can be edited using NI's "Controller Editor". This means that any knob can be configured to send any MIDI message of your choice, if you so wish. This makes the S4 very suitable not only for DJing but also for controlling VST plugins in Live, Cubase etc if you also produce music, and have several "scenes" which can be switched on the fly. In addition, all MIDI controller editors I have seen require you to first assign the MIDI data in the software and then dump it to the device, wherease NI's controller editor effects your assignments immediately. It also supports a number of operation modes such as Mackie Control (I wish it could send HID messages too not just MIDI). So my question is: can I configure a knob in the VCI-400 to send any MIDI message I fancy? Is there a MIDI editor for the VCI-400? (Note: this is not the same as editing mappings inside Traktor, I want the mappings to be stored IN the hardware). 3. Build quality: I have taken apart my NI gear and I was not impressed at all by the build quality (I am also an electronic engineer). TRS connections are often flaky, no sold feel to knobs etc, acrylic surfaces are too easy to scratch (not good for a DJ controller that's likely to take a good battering), and a lot of things are glued. Taking apart NI hardware for repair or cleaning is a pain in the ass, because a lot of the screws are on the top face, concealed by the acrylic layer which is held in place by a double-sided adhesive sheet. Once you remove the acrylic you gain access to the screws, but the adhesive is easily damaged during removal and the acrylic can break. Furthermore, dust quickly sticks to the glue, reducing its bonding properties when you try to re-attach it. In other words, NI hardware is NOT designed to be serviced and therefore it's not designed to last, whereas the VCI-400 is entirely held together by screws, it's all metal on metal, no cheap glue, and is made from top quality materials. 4. Form factor: I want to point out about NI hardware is that the original Kore 1 form factor they adopted back in they has been preserved. I am referring to the extruded aluminium shell. The problem with this shell, apart from being more prone to scratches than steel shells, is that the corners are very sharp, and if you are not careful you can easily scratch any gear sitting next to your S4. I own a Kore 1 which I use as a MIDI controller and over the years it has scratched the following items in my home studio: M-Audio Axiom 49, M-Audio Oxygen8 v2, Frontier Tranzport, and several computer mice. I am pleased to see that the VCI-400 has nice rounded corners and a steel body. So my conclusions are, ignoring price, layout and looks: NI S4 Pros: Perfect integration with Traktor (and always ahead of 3rd party controllers), ASIO multiclient, amazing MIDI editor. Cons: Average build quality, hard to service/repair. Vestaxk VCI-400 Pros: Top build quality, easy to service/replace parts. Cons: Integration not as tight as S4 (still very good though), no ASIO multiclient, no MIDI editor.
Rosemarie Legans 28.02.2012	Originally Posted by Agastya You're welcome. And yes, I do speak, write and read the language on a intermediate level. And I'm Asian, so sometimes they mistake me for a native Thai By the way, if the correct HS code for audio mixers is 85.18.40 then the import tax is 60% However, you might get lucky if the officer sees the "Made in Malaysia" (normally this should be supported by a CO, certificate of origin) on the device. Then it will be tax exempted, or 5% according to his mood. If I had known that the VCI-400 was made in Malaysia, I would maybe had made the trip down south to get one instead of making one of my friends fly one in. Then its not a mixer but a computer controller. If it wouldn't be the case (if I go with the VCI 400) that I wanted the Ean edition I would have done this another way too. But for that Ean one, I can't see any other way to go.
Lorilee Nadalin 28.02.2012	Originally Posted by vestax Thanks for the size. I just checked and last time I got 5% import (as on most electronics) and VAT 7%. Dont know if you speak the language but that does often help in general. You're welcome. And yes, I do speak, write and read the language on a intermediate level. And I'm Asian, so sometimes they mistake me for a native Thai By the way, if the correct HS code for audio mixers is 85.18.40 then the import tax is 60% However, you might get lucky if the officer sees the "Made in Malaysia" (normally this should be supported by a CO, certificate of origin) on the device. Then it will be tax exempted, or 5% according to his mood. If I had known that the VCI-400 was made in Malaysia, I would maybe had made the trip down south to get one instead of making one of my friends fly one in.
Rosemarie Legans 28.02.2012	Originally Posted by Agastya I hope everything will go well for you. About the DJ gear prices here in Thailand note that the distributor gets better rates (exemption from BOI, etc.) and is taxed on the import amount. What usually helps is that the import is done by a smaller freight forwarder, avoid FedEx, UPS and DHL. For the sizes of the device: 46cm x 32cm x 6cm, roughly. Thanks for the size, thats just a few cm less wide than S4. Good regarding my case. I just checked and last time I got 5% import (as on most electronics) and VAT 7%. Dont know if you speak the language but that does often help in general.
Lorilee Nadalin 28.02.2012	Originally Posted by vestax I know for example vehicles ends up with 210% tax. The last VCI 100 I ordered from DJTT and got about 10% tax. The same with other gear. If you check the prices of DJ gear in the stores they are not double to the USA price too which they would have been otherwise as with import cars. Maybe Ive been lucky. Guess I can let you know soon because I am about to order VCI 400 EG Edition or the S4. I just hope it will be as usual, otherwise :eek: I hope everything will go well for you. About the DJ gear prices here in Thailand note that the distributor gets better rates (exemption from BOI, etc.) and is taxed on the import amount. What usually helps is that the import is done by a smaller freight forwarder, avoid FedEx, UPS and DHL. For the sizes of the device: 46cm x 32cm x 6cm, roughly.
Chuck Intravia 28.02.2012	I live in indonesia, and yes things get pretty expensive. But if you put your money in the right pockets and smile you'll get away fine. But it's true that these customs offices kinda do whatever they want. Originally Posted by kooper1980 The s4 is only a midi controller and cannot be used as a standalone mixer. Therefore you can play regular vinyl through the channels but you have no control over the EQ or line volume. Sad but makes sense. Doesn't apply to timecodes does it?
Rosemarie Legans 28.02.2012	Anyone have the size of the VCI400? Can't find it anywhere not even on the Vestax web.
Rosemarie Legans 28.02.2012	Originally Posted by Agastya You better explain me how then because I have several litigations running with the Thai Customs about incorrect duty calculations. Every product has a HS code, it's called the harmonized system used to import and export goods. These codes are supposed to facilitate customs to classify the goods in order to calculate the correct import tax. Unfortunately what I've encountered with import here in Thailand is that these codes are not respected by the customs officers. Both for private imports and imports for my company that concerns mostly with FTA tax exemptions. And if you don't pay the "tea money" to the right persons, you can say goodbye to your shipment or pay the fine that's 200% of the taxation excluding administration fees. I know for example vehicles ends up with 210% tax. The last VCI 100 I ordered from DJTT and got about 10% tax. The same with other gear. If you check the prices of DJ gear in the stores they are not double to the USA price too which they would have been otherwise as with import cars. Maybe Ive been lucky. Guess I can let you know soon because I am about to order VCI 400 EG Edition or the S4. I just hope it will be as usual, otherwise :eek:
Lorilee Nadalin 28.02.2012	Originally Posted by vestax Not true at all. I done it with different things including things from DJTT. Yes import fees as anywhere but take away about 90% of what you said You better explain me how then because I have several litigations running with the Thai Customs about incorrect duty calculations. Every product has a HS code, it's called the harmonized system used to import and export goods. These codes are supposed to facilitate customs to classify the goods in order to calculate the correct import tax. Unfortunately what I've encountered with import here in Thailand is that these codes are not respected by the customs officers. Both for private imports and imports for my company that concerns mostly with FTA tax exemptions. And if you don't pay the "tea money" to the right persons, you can say goodbye to your shipment or pay the fine that's 200% of the taxation excluding administration fees.
Rosemarie Legans 28.02.2012	I have the same problem. VCI 400 EG Edition or the S4. Haven't tried any of them so its damn hard to tell which one would suit me best. Really don't care about price difference as long as what I buy is what is best for me. No scratching here. Anyone have opinions regarding the loop section comparing these two? Just bought a custom made flightcase for the planned S4, will the VCI 400 be lost in there? Almost wished I had bigger problems to believe about....
Kristofer Krauel 28.02.2012	Originally Posted by Pedrotax I see, thanks. The s4 does have VU also next to master output. There are just minuscule. Anyone know about the line faders VU? Yes you can. You just need your laptop to be on. Vinyls through S4 and vinyls through soundcard with VCI... The s4 is only a midi controller and cannot be used as a standalone mixer. Therefore you can play regular vinyl through the channels but you have no control over the EQ or line volume.
Rosemarie Legans 28.02.2012	Originally Posted by Agastya I have full confidence in DJTT that it will. For example, for me it would be difficult to order a SE from San Francisco to Thailand. It would be double the price when it would arrive with the custom fees, Not true at all. I done it with different things including things from DJTT. Yes import fees as anywhere but take away about 90% of what you said
Chuck Intravia 28.02.2012	Originally Posted by Timmyboy As far as I can tell it looks like the vci400 does not have phono preamps. Mine just says line next to the external inputs. This means you won't be able to run Turntables through it and may be one of the reasons it isn't scratch certified. Sorry I wasn't clear, I meant through external soundcard. This indeed deserved to be checked though...
Chuck Intravia 28.02.2012	Just got the S4, and OH MY. First thing I can say when comparing to a vestax: the resolution makes a difference. I dunno if this has been improved on the VCI-400 but the S4 is almost like CDJ controls. Not in terms of feel, but in terms of reactivity; its kinda brilliant. Next week I'm gonna hook up turntables and timecodes straight up, no soundcard required. The VCI can do it with soundcard, but basically what I'm trying to say here is that it's actually pretty good value since it's packed with TP2, or the other way of putting it is, the VCI is just too expensive. However, for someone who wants a reliable piece of kit and that has already a lot of experience and money to spend, I believe that the VCI is very versatile, and has tons of mappable buttons. But honestly, that S4 is good. For a "all-star" kind of controller, you can push it far and get pretty crazy with it. It's a cheaper way to show off what Digital DJing can do. One last thing. IMHO, and once again this might be a matter of taste, the S4 looks more professional than the VCI. I can see myself rocking to a gig no problem with this thing. It is true that the Ean Golden upgrade on the VCI kinda cures that problem with that nice dark finish, but once again, not the same price. Verdict: VCI: for the experimented user. Basically, if you know you want it, get one. I wasn't disappointed by the VCI-100 and I'm sure the VCI-400 is astonishing. S4: Traktor integration, cheaper in the long run. I really believe you won't be disappointed of not having the bucks to buy a VCI. It's a really really really nice controller, and timecode is actually a pretty good argument. Yes I am biased, and no I haven't tried to VCI-400; this is just me sharing my point of view and power to you to interpret it the way you want. Happy DJing!
Lorilee Nadalin 28.02.2012	Originally Posted by Timmyboy As far as I can tell it looks like the vci400 does not have phono preamps. Mine just says line next to the external inputs. This means you won't be able to run Turntables through it and may be one of the reasons it isn't scratch certified. It's true that this remains very unclear. So we'll need someone to test it. However on page 16 of the manual it is written than line in 1/2 can be used to connect turntables.
Jonathan Lokey 28.02.2012	Yes you can. You just need your laptop to be on. Vinyls through S4 and vinyls through soundcard with VCI... As far as I can tell it looks like the vci400 does not have phono preamps. Mine just says line next to the external inputs. This means you won't be able to run Turntables through it and may be one of the reasons it isn't scratch certified.
Vincent Carnicle 23.02.2012	First of all hello everybody. I've been reading you guys for months but that's actually my first time I say something I have 2x SL1210, DJM600, Audio 4 DJ, TP2 Scratch, vci 100 se, mpd24 and x1. At first I wanted to sell DJM600, VCI 100SE and A2DJ and buy S4 but then VCI400 brought my attention. I thought then about keeping A4DJ and getting VCI400. In that scenario I don't need software and audio interface with scratch feature because I hold one already. I'm quite puzzled because I can't find clear answer which one will suit me more. I need scratch feature and solid fader because I'm turntablist (not a hard core one thou). I want to get Kontrol F1 as well when it will come out because my aim is to play my own tunes/remixes live in traktor but previously done in ableton and top it up with turntablist elements. What would you guys suggest? I heard somewhere that effects sections in vci400 are pretty rubbish because dry/wet knob is 360. If anyone who owns one could say something about it if it's really that frustrating. Thanks in advance for your attention guys.
Chuck Intravia 23.02.2012	Originally Posted by vanaema78 VCI-400 has imo two aditional VU meters next to the line fader ones. So atleast you've got more VU meters and imo they're better too. I see, thanks. The s4 does have VU also next to master output. There are just minuscule. Anyone know about the line faders VU? Originally Posted by GrooveStylist Hi, I got the same dilemma! Which to go for?!?! I also looked at 4Trak but these two are winning the battle. I'll be using the controller as a mixer for my 1210's too, so can both controllers handle this? Not for scratch. I get that the S4 can deal with scratch with its internal sound card and the 400 needs audio 6/8/10 Dj soundcard to do so but I like to bust out some vinyls too. Can I mix the vinyls thru the traktor mixer using the controllers? I hope I've explained myself ok! Cheers. Yes you can. You just need your laptop to be on. Vinyls through S4 and vinyls through soundcard with VCI...
Tomeka Mckensie 23.02.2012	Hi, I got the same dilemma! Which to go for?!?! I also looked at 4Trak but these two are winning the battle. I'll be using the controller as a mixer for my 1210's too, so can both controllers handle this? Not for scratch. I get that the S4 can deal with scratch with its internal sound card and the 400 needs audio 6/8/10 Dj soundcard to do so but I like to bust out some vinyls too. Can I mix the vinyls thru the traktor mixer using the controllers? I hope I've explained myself ok! Cheers.
Janyce Henningson 22.02.2012	Originally Posted by Agastya No control vinyl/cd. Think about it, where would you put the control vinyl/cd if your setup consists of only a laptop, VCI-400, monitor speakers and a headphone. Anyway, I'll contact NI to see what they have to say about this. Don't really expect a clear answer from them. Yes I know, that was my point... Any midi controller works with Scratch - you said it works with Scratch like you had the control vinyl working.. There's a clip on the facebook vci-400 page where the vinyl scratch mode is shown using Traktor Scratch. ... we hooked it up on a laptop running Traktor Scratch Pro using the built in sound card of the Vestax (So no NI Audio device) and with the standard mapping you have scratch functionality. No calibration needed. So what I speculate here is that a "Certification" for the VCI-400 might soon appear. What you actually mean is the jogs work BTW they work in Traktor Pro - and Traktor Scratch Pro
Edwina Fagel 22.02.2012	VCI-400 has imo two aditional VU meters next to the line fader ones. So atleast you've got more VU meters and imo they're better too.
Chuck Intravia 21.02.2012	Hi guys, just bought my S4 from DJTT and obviously looking at this is salivating. I'm not regretting too much though because the overall package for the S4 is much cheaper (TP2 + DVS functionality) while the VCI would force me to buy an audio 6 or 8 with TP2 and that's really not cheap. However the VCI is looking fly now it's all Ean Goldened. I'm believeing of sticking with the S4 now and upgrading to the VCI if I get a bit of cash/if it reveals necessary... I get the feeling that both are very good controllers, they are just made for a slightly different audience: one is more versatile and controllerist friendly, while the other seems to become an industry standard in its own niche, which is not negligible either. Now to anyone who owns the VCI, there's something that is kinda crucial which is bothering me on the S4. Although not very good, the VU meters on the S4 are at least clear, and when you're clipping you know it. However, itt seems that the VU meters on the VCI are small and kinda toyish. i like the fact that they are in different colors, but the S4 is missing yellow. The VCI seems to just have colorful but cramped VUs?
Lorilee Nadalin 21.02.2012	Originally Posted by davidvizion That will be dope, so I paid $900 for the SE and they $99 for the update kit, so that means I got it for $1000, ill be saving around $175, thats cool. But will that happen? I have full confidence in DJTT that it will. For example, for me it would be difficult to order a SE from San Francisco to Thailand. It would be double the price when it would arrive with the custom fees, even if the shipment value would have been marked down. So luckily a friend that came visiting me brought a standard edition from the UK. And therefore this upgrade kit would still satisfy many customers around the globe that still would like to enjoy the improved features.
Dagmar Oblock 21.02.2012	Originally Posted by Agastya Pretty soon, here's what Ean said on the blog: "It seems like the people have spoken - A firmware/mapping/overlay/knobs combo upgrade package needs to happen. WIth all of those items it will probably be about $99. How do you feel about that price?" So for 99$ you get to mod your standard edition to a SE. That will be dope, so I paid $900 for the SE and they $99 for the update kit, so that means I got it for $1000, ill be saving around $175, thats cool. But will that happen?
Lorilee Nadalin 21.02.2012	Originally Posted by davidvizion ok guys thanks for the info, I sold the S4 that I just got and ordered the VCI-400 not the Ean Golden edition. Now is there a difference between the two? Can I get the firmware and mapping for my new controller? Pretty soon, here's what Ean said on the blog: "It seems like the people have spoken - A firmware/mapping/overlay/knobs combo upgrade package needs to happen. WIth all of those items it will probably be about $99. How do you feel about that price?" So for 99$ you get to mod your standard edition to a SE.
Dagmar Oblock 21.02.2012	ok guys thanks for the info, I sold the S4 that I just got and ordered the VCI-400 not the Ean Golden edition. Now is there a difference between the two? Can I get the firmware and mapping for my new controller?
Lorilee Nadalin 21.02.2012	Originally Posted by Nicky H Yeah it will work with Scratch Pro - it's a midi controller... But were you using control vinyl / cd's ? No control vinyl/cd. Think about it, where would you put the control vinyl/cd if your setup consists of only a laptop, VCI-400, monitor speakers and a headphone. Anyway, I'll contact NI to see what they have to say about this. Don't really expect a clear answer from them.
Kristofer Krauel 21.02.2012	Originally Posted by Nicky H Yeah it will work with Scratch Pro - it's a midi controller... But were you using control vinyl / cd's ? haha you beat me to it!! It definitely works with scratch pro but you don't get scratch functionality or the use of timecode!
Janyce Henningson 21.02.2012	Yeah it will work with Scratch Pro - it's a midi controller... But were you using control vinyl / cd's ?
Lorilee Nadalin 21.02.2012	As everyone says, I confirm that this controller is not (yet) certified for Scratch Pro. However we hooked it up on a laptop running Traktor Scratch Pro using the built in sound card of the Vestax (So no NI Audio device) and with the standard mapping you have scratch functionality. No calibration needed. I don't have Scratch Pro myself, I use Traktor Pro. And I'd hate to drive 300km again to Bangkok just to get evidence (It's not the distance, it's the traffic and near suicide). But I've seen it with my own eyes, it works. Maybe someone else on the community who has Scratch Pro can confirm this. So what I speculate here is that a "Certification" for the VCI-400 might soon appear.
Mathilda Loeffel 20.02.2012	From what others have told me it is NOT certified. The only way to do it would be to use a NI sound card and get TSP2. Which in the long run is more expensive than getting the S4 plus scratch upgrade. Now that the VCI-400 SE is out damn. I really want it. Just not ready to drop the money. I hope they sell out and then make a second run and/or have an upgrade for the regular 400 users.

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