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NEW Windows Tablet Posted on: 18.06.2012 by Jerica Salava No price confirmed yet, but rumors say $500 for the base and $1000 for the Pro. USB MIDI ? Wonder if the $500 base model will run Traktor ? >
Lina Rawie 23.06.2012	Originally Posted by synthet1c If it could run any windows program the hardware would cost $1500 - $2000, Imo it will follow apples closed app store model to generate money, although with the power of an i7 4gb ram there is nothing stopping the big boys from making their programs operate on it. There's 2 models. One runs Windows RT which is a more locked down version of Windows 8 designed to run on ARM-based tablets. That will only run software from the Windows Store and is basically an MS equivalent of an iPad, but with standard ports and the keyboard cover. The other model is x86-based and runs the full version of Windows 8, so you can run any software that will run on Windows. Originally Posted by deevey The Fact is - we don't have any real-world facts yet to base anything technical on (like how well traktor or serato will run, or IF they will even run). If they will run on Windows 8, they will run on the Pro version of the Surface. If you have a regular laptop with Windows 8 on it, the only difference between that and the Surface Pro is the form factor/keyboard. The architecture is the same.
21.06.2012	Originally Posted by DJ JesC what I was refering to is, when I walk into a brick and motar ie Best Buy, Target or game store. If I want to purchase a XBOX HD, the only ones they sell are the MS branded ones. I know that you can stick just about any HD but MS doesnt like that and you run the RISK of getting ur xbox getting banned from Live. You're missing the point, this is a software thing, not a hardware thing. MS doesn't care about the brand of HD in your machine, if they did they could easily do as Apple have done and developed a custom HD firmware and/or proprietary connector and easily banned people from Live that way. The thing they want to stop is people filling their HDs with copies of games and running them from there as happened with the previous xbox. All console manufacturers make a loss on the hardware (apart from maybe Nintendo), the software is where the money is and that is the focus of their bans on live. What you're describing is an anti-software piracy measure, not a hardware lock-in. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make about xbox remotes, there are some high quality 3rd party ones and some cheap shitty ones, just like 3rd party add-ons for any other console or computer you care to mention.
Cristian Carmona 20.06.2012	Originally Posted by attila The Pro version will be mine. Hell I can get a smaller dj bag now. All I need is a Surface and an S2. Picture the surface with Traktor, Serato, Ableton & Recordbox loaded on the tablet. You get to the club and 1 USB cable to hook up either to the pioneer mixer or Rane mixer and your ready to go.
20.06.2012	Originally Posted by deevey You are the one coming off as a fanboi dude, and what platforms are you even talking about LOL, you seem to just be flaming everybody for the sake of it ....time of the month maybe ? Who could I possibly be a fanboi for? You're the one making shit up about things, just stop spreading FUD, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Originally Posted by deevey Ipad/galaxy etc... are designed as a tablets to be held in your hand during use OR be used with the designed keyboard for occasions where you might want to type something lengthily. The surface tablet on the other hand appears to be designed for (wait for it)..... a surface. And there you go again! What are you basing that on? As far as I can see the keyboard use is optional, it'll behave just like a tablet. Originally Posted by deevey Other manufacturers DO on occasions do this - HP used to do it at one point, I believe Dell did as well. And there's the hat trick of bollocks. Good man When did they do this? It's just that I'm actually HP and Dell qualified for hardware as part of my job and in my 15 years in the industry I've never known it to be true. So please enlighten me or just stop making things up.
Rolanda Clodfelder 20.06.2012	Originally Posted by Jack Bastard Goes back to what I was saying about not listening to fanboys about technical stuff. You lot are hilarious, I especially loved the bloke a couple of pages back saying that it was rubbish because it was flat. Stop spreading FUD about platforms you've decided you don't like. You are the one coming off as a fanboi dude, and what platforms are you even talking about LOL, you seem to just be flaming everybody for the sake of it ....time of the month maybe ? The issue is not "the platform" or the OS or the Company involved. Its the execution, the design thought behind them and the intended market segment, of which this particular tablet with its variations seems to want to be a jack-of-all-trades and not quite a master of anything. Going back to your flat comment: So the completely flat Ipad is absolutely fine, but the completely flat Surface isn't? Don't get me wrong, I don't give a fuck about tablets but you fanbois sure are funny. Ipad/galaxy etc... are designed as a tablets to be held in your hand during use OR be used with the designed keyboard for occasions where you might want to type something lengthily. The surface tablet on the other hand appears to be designed for (wait for it)..... a surface. This negates the need for a tablet in the first place (verging on ultra book territory). I don't have a tablet, and have not seen the need for one - this may open up new doors or close them forever, depending how well it handles day to day tasks. and only time will tell if this will change the laptop/tablet market. The Fact is - we don't have any real-world facts yet to base anything technical on (like how well traktor or serato will run, or IF they will even run). Sorry, I meant outside of Apple a hd is just an hd. No one else apart from Apple does this. God they're bastards aren't they? Other manufacturers DO on occasions do this - HP used to do it at one point, I believe Dell did as well.
20.06.2012	Originally Posted by deevey Oh and FYI - a hard drive is not just a hard drive...An iMac's hard drive for example has Apple embedded code in the firmware which prevents the fans running properly - replacing with a generic drive causes the fans to spin up to high continually. Sorry, I meant outside of Apple a hd is just an hd. No one else apart from Apple does this. God they're bastards aren't they?
Rolanda Clodfelder 20.06.2012	Originally Posted by Jack Bastard A hd is a hd, the xbox doesn't care as long as it's prepared correctly. Honestly, do you lot just pull this stuff out of your arse or what? (Don't answer that, a quick google confirms you do). This is why fanbois should never be consulted on technical matters. google all you like.... you said the magic words, "prepared correctly", if you fuck up your console can get banned, stick a generic hard drive in and boot and see what happens. And ... fanboy what ? Out of my arse ?, eh nope, my GF worked in Xbox support and it was pretty usual to have consoles banned for upgrades by individuals who don't know better. Anyhow back on topic - the MS tablet thingy could be interesting, depends on how well windows8 works on a tablet-like machine and if other manufacturers are ahead of the game by the time it gets released - assuming windows 8 is coming out in the 4th quarter, we might be as far as 9 months away from seeing it in the wild. Anti-climax much. Oh and FYI - a hard drive is not just a hard drive...An iMac's hard drive for example has Apple embedded code in the firmware which prevents the fans running properly - replacing with a generic drive causes the fans to spin up to high continually. Just google it .. (you seem to know how) or click here
20.06.2012	Originally Posted by deevey But you can do it but will probably get banned from Live for a non-xbox hard drive A hd is a hd, the xbox doesn't care as long as it's prepared correctly. Honestly, do you lot just pull this stuff out of your arse or what? (Don't answer that, a quick google confirms you do). This is why fanbois should never be consulted on technical matters.
Rolanda Clodfelder 20.06.2012	Originally Posted by Jack Bastard Yes mate, have a google. But you can do it but will probably get banned from Live for a non-xbox hard drive
20.06.2012	Originally Posted by DJ JesC oh really? Yes mate, have a google.
Cristian Carmona 20.06.2012	Originally Posted by Jack Bastard Neither of those things is true. oh really?
19.06.2012	Originally Posted by DJ JesC Look at a XBOX, only works with MS BT headseat & MS hard drive. Neither of those things is true.
Lina Rawie 23.06.2012	Originally Posted by synthet1c If it could run any windows program the hardware would cost $1500 - $2000, Imo it will follow apples closed app store model to generate money, although with the power of an i7 4gb ram there is nothing stopping the big boys from making their programs operate on it. There's 2 models. One runs Windows RT which is a more locked down version of Windows 8 designed to run on ARM-based tablets. That will only run software from the Windows Store and is basically an MS equivalent of an iPad, but with standard ports and the keyboard cover. The other model is x86-based and runs the full version of Windows 8, so you can run any software that will run on Windows. Originally Posted by deevey The Fact is - we don't have any real-world facts yet to base anything technical on (like how well traktor or serato will run, or IF they will even run). If they will run on Windows 8, they will run on the Pro version of the Surface. If you have a regular laptop with Windows 8 on it, the only difference between that and the Surface Pro is the form factor/keyboard. The architecture is the same.
21.06.2012	Originally Posted by DJ JesC what I was refering to is, when I walk into a brick and motar ie Best Buy, Target or game store. If I want to purchase a XBOX HD, the only ones they sell are the MS branded ones. I know that you can stick just about any HD but MS doesnt like that and you run the RISK of getting ur xbox getting banned from Live. You're missing the point, this is a software thing, not a hardware thing. MS doesn't care about the brand of HD in your machine, if they did they could easily do as Apple have done and developed a custom HD firmware and/or proprietary connector and easily banned people from Live that way. The thing they want to stop is people filling their HDs with copies of games and running them from there as happened with the previous xbox. All console manufacturers make a loss on the hardware (apart from maybe Nintendo), the software is where the money is and that is the focus of their bans on live. What you're describing is an anti-software piracy measure, not a hardware lock-in. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make about xbox remotes, there are some high quality 3rd party ones and some cheap shitty ones, just like 3rd party add-ons for any other console or computer you care to mention.
Ricki Markman 20.06.2012	The Pro model has an i5 and just runs a regular desktop OS. Also said the Pro model will cost around the same as ultrabooks, so it's safe to assume it'll be 750-1000.
Jonathan Chiuchiolo 20.06.2012	If it could run any windows program the hardware would cost $1500 - $2000, Imo it will follow apples closed app store model to generate money, although with the power of an i7 4gb ram there is nothing stopping the big boys from making their programs operate on it.
Ricki Markman 20.06.2012	It's almost too ideal to be this close to happening haha This is seriously THE device I've been waiting for. Beyond being able to produce in Ableton out of the house, just experimenting with my softsynths anywhere will be invaluable (especially if I can tweak all the knobs through touch!!!)
Cristian Carmona 20.06.2012	Originally Posted by attila The Pro version will be mine. Hell I can get a smaller dj bag now. All I need is a Surface and an S2. Picture the surface with Traktor, Serato, Ableton & Recordbox loaded on the tablet. You get to the club and 1 USB cable to hook up either to the pioneer mixer or Rane mixer and your ready to go.
Ricki Markman 20.06.2012	The Pro version will be mine. Hell I can get a smaller dj bag now. All I need is a Surface and an S2.
Cristian Carmona 20.06.2012	what I was refering to is, when I walk into a brick and motar ie Best Buy, Target or game store. If I want to purchase a XBOX HD, the only ones they sell are the MS branded ones. I know that you can stick just about any HD but MS doesnt like that and you run the RISK of getting ur xbox getting banned from Live. Heck this is coming from someone that owns 3 Xboxs & 2 PS3s. If I want to upgrade my PS3 HD, I just pop a sata HD in it and call it a day. My point was that the majority of the accessories with that MS tablet are going to be MS branded. And the 3rd party stuff is going to be 2nd or 3rd tier quality. Look at the after market remotes for the xbox. Im not a apple or MS fanboi, Im a tech fanboi of things that work and Im willing to try any software and hardware out. Back on topic, Ill be sure to goto the MS store to give this bad boy a run. if it works great. I might just pick it up to run SSL for me.
Ashly Romney 20.06.2012	Wanna get away?
20.06.2012	Originally Posted by deevey You are the one coming off as a fanboi dude, and what platforms are you even talking about LOL, you seem to just be flaming everybody for the sake of it ....time of the month maybe ? Who could I possibly be a fanboi for? You're the one making shit up about things, just stop spreading FUD, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Originally Posted by deevey Ipad/galaxy etc... are designed as a tablets to be held in your hand during use OR be used with the designed keyboard for occasions where you might want to type something lengthily. The surface tablet on the other hand appears to be designed for (wait for it)..... a surface. And there you go again! What are you basing that on? As far as I can see the keyboard use is optional, it'll behave just like a tablet. Originally Posted by deevey Other manufacturers DO on occasions do this - HP used to do it at one point, I believe Dell did as well. And there's the hat trick of bollocks. Good man When did they do this? It's just that I'm actually HP and Dell qualified for hardware as part of my job and in my 15 years in the industry I've never known it to be true. So please enlighten me or just stop making things up.
Rolanda Clodfelder 20.06.2012	Originally Posted by Jack Bastard Goes back to what I was saying about not listening to fanboys about technical stuff. You lot are hilarious, I especially loved the bloke a couple of pages back saying that it was rubbish because it was flat. Stop spreading FUD about platforms you've decided you don't like. You are the one coming off as a fanboi dude, and what platforms are you even talking about LOL, you seem to just be flaming everybody for the sake of it ....time of the month maybe ? The issue is not "the platform" or the OS or the Company involved. Its the execution, the design thought behind them and the intended market segment, of which this particular tablet with its variations seems to want to be a jack-of-all-trades and not quite a master of anything. Going back to your flat comment: So the completely flat Ipad is absolutely fine, but the completely flat Surface isn't? Don't get me wrong, I don't give a fuck about tablets but you fanbois sure are funny. Ipad/galaxy etc... are designed as a tablets to be held in your hand during use OR be used with the designed keyboard for occasions where you might want to type something lengthily. The surface tablet on the other hand appears to be designed for (wait for it)..... a surface. This negates the need for a tablet in the first place (verging on ultra book territory). I don't have a tablet, and have not seen the need for one - this may open up new doors or close them forever, depending how well it handles day to day tasks. and only time will tell if this will change the laptop/tablet market. The Fact is - we don't have any real-world facts yet to base anything technical on (like how well traktor or serato will run, or IF they will even run). Sorry, I meant outside of Apple a hd is just an hd. No one else apart from Apple does this. God they're bastards aren't they? Other manufacturers DO on occasions do this - HP used to do it at one point, I believe Dell did as well.
20.06.2012	Originally Posted by deevey Oh and FYI - a hard drive is not just a hard drive...An iMac's hard drive for example has Apple embedded code in the firmware which prevents the fans running properly - replacing with a generic drive causes the fans to spin up to high continually. Sorry, I meant outside of Apple a hd is just an hd. No one else apart from Apple does this. God they're bastards aren't they?
20.06.2012	Firstly JesC said that had to buy MS branded HDs and headsets, I corrected him on that then you said that you could get banned from Xbox live for not buying an non xbox HD, obviously when you buy a hd you have to format it for use on your system, whatever your system, you don't just stick stuff in and hope for the best do you? No, you read the instructions. Goes back to what I was saying about not listening to fanboys about technical stuff. You lot are hilarious, I especially loved the bloke a couple of pages back saying that it was rubbish because it was flat. Stop spreading FUD about platforms you've decided you don't like.
Rolanda Clodfelder 20.06.2012	Originally Posted by Jack Bastard A hd is a hd, the xbox doesn't care as long as it's prepared correctly. Honestly, do you lot just pull this stuff out of your arse or what? (Don't answer that, a quick google confirms you do). This is why fanbois should never be consulted on technical matters. google all you like.... you said the magic words, "prepared correctly", if you fuck up your console can get banned, stick a generic hard drive in and boot and see what happens. And ... fanboy what ? Out of my arse ?, eh nope, my GF worked in Xbox support and it was pretty usual to have consoles banned for upgrades by individuals who don't know better. Anyhow back on topic - the MS tablet thingy could be interesting, depends on how well windows8 works on a tablet-like machine and if other manufacturers are ahead of the game by the time it gets released - assuming windows 8 is coming out in the 4th quarter, we might be as far as 9 months away from seeing it in the wild. Anti-climax much. Oh and FYI - a hard drive is not just a hard drive...An iMac's hard drive for example has Apple embedded code in the firmware which prevents the fans running properly - replacing with a generic drive causes the fans to spin up to high continually. Just google it .. (you seem to know how) or click here
20.06.2012	Originally Posted by deevey But you can do it but will probably get banned from Live for a non-xbox hard drive A hd is a hd, the xbox doesn't care as long as it's prepared correctly. Honestly, do you lot just pull this stuff out of your arse or what? (Don't answer that, a quick google confirms you do). This is why fanbois should never be consulted on technical matters.
Rolanda Clodfelder 20.06.2012	Originally Posted by Jack Bastard Yes mate, have a google. But you can do it but will probably get banned from Live for a non-xbox hard drive
20.06.2012	Originally Posted by DJ JesC oh really? Yes mate, have a google.
Cristian Carmona 20.06.2012	Originally Posted by Jack Bastard Neither of those things is true. oh really?
19.06.2012	Originally Posted by DJ JesC Look at a XBOX, only works with MS BT headseat & MS hard drive. Neither of those things is true.
Nedra Fresneda 19.06.2012
Cristian Carmona 19.06.2012	Originally Posted by synthet1c this is the fine print 1Works exclusively with apps from the Windows Store. HD Video Out also requires the HD Digital AV Adapter (sold separately). Surface for Windows RT includes Office 15 Apps. 2Works exclusively with printers, mice, and keyboards certified for Windows RT im not surprised.
Jonathan Chiuchiolo 19.06.2012	this is the fine print 1Works exclusively with apps from the Windows Store. HD Video Out also requires the HD Digital AV Adapter (sold separately). Surface for Windows RT includes Office 15 Apps. 2Works exclusively with printers, mice, and keyboards certified for Windows RT
Cristian Carmona 19.06.2012	Its dope to hear that it has a usb port and a i-series processor & ARM. , but looks like a iPad 1st Gen with the case being used as a stand & a plastic keyboard. If its anything like MS previous hardware/software combos. Its going to be more locked down than a iPad. Look at a XBOX, only works with MS BT headseat & MS hard drive. Only time will tell, and see what this little beast of capable of. I would say to keep a close eye on GEEKBENCH to see if any performance stats pop up.
19.06.2012	Originally Posted by happydan Yes, I know, but that thing is useless for anything other than a completely flat surface. I guess that's why they named it that? I get why this is a cool product. I just believe they didn't believe it through! So the completely flat Ipad is absolutely fine, but the completely flat Surface isn't? Don't get me wrong, I don't give a fuck about tablets but you fanbois sure are funny.
Evalyn Voges 19.06.2012	Originally Posted by loverocket it's not a laptop. Yes, I know, but that thing is useless for anything other than a completely flat surface. I guess that's why they named it that? I get why this is a cool product. I just believe they didn't believe it through!
Kristin Tesfamichael 19.06.2012	quick someone put a patent on a tablet DJ stand!!
Jerica Salava 19.06.2012	Originally Posted by happydan You can't just use the thing like a laptop. For example, how often do you have a fully flat surface in a DJ booth? this thing won't even stay on a laptop stand... it's not a laptop.
Evalyn Voges 19.06.2012	Originally Posted by StephanV And what's the problem with using the kickstand? You can't just use the thing like a laptop. For example, how often do you have a fully flat surface in a DJ booth? this thing won't even stay on a laptop stand...

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