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Nobody wants to work at it anymore? Posted on: 31.07.2011 by Cordia Clemensen What's with the insane number of "I want to be a DJ. Tell me what tunes and gear I should get." or "I want to produce music like deadmau5/swedish house mafia/guetta/rusko, what synth/samples should I use?" threads recently? Nobody knows how to use google? Nobody listens to tunes and figures out things for themselves? Sound On Sound, Electronic Musician, loads of other blogs and mags online at your googling finger tips. With the massive amounts of youtube/social media these guys produce it's dead easy to trainspot their gear and plugins. And invariably the OP is just going to end up getting crystalised-form-of-cocaine versions of the software anyways. I'm all for helping ppl out and sharing knowledge but I believe there's a base level you should sort out for yourself. Post here if you're trying to get a weird mapping in Traktor or trying to figure out how to get ableton's automation to not suck bollocks and freak out once you get more than 30 tracks running. What's next? "I want to be a DJ - can someone mix me a few killer sets I can slip into a CDJ and knob twiddle for a few hours." "I want to produce music - can someone make me a torrent with a DAW, soft synths, plugins, samples and 10-15 session files with killer beats and hooks in them?" Srlsy?!
Stanley Topoleski 03.08.2011	Originally Posted by dj stifffy Nice to hear a real musician on this site, been playing guitar for 4 years myself and bass for 11, love when people come upto me and say sure you can dj but that doesnt make you a real musician, I like to reply with what instruments do you play then? Usually say summit like drums then I ask how long and hear like 2 years... Its great to argue with people that dont have a clue. And yes it helps you appreciate live music. haha same here. i too play guitar among other instruments its nice and feels great and to actually understand music rather then just being able to mix 2 songs together
Stanley Topoleski 04.08.2011	Originally Posted by keithace Sifting through the ass loads of music is still fun for me...i know that i have to turn stones over to find my sound...of course i get sidetracked with producers and labels...but thats part of the fun... The internet gives me access to music i could never get close to back in the vinyl days... AMEN!!! if it wasn't for the internet i would probably be sitting in front an idiot box playing games, i wouldn't know who people like Armin Van Buuren and Tiesto are. i wouldn't even be making music
Spencer Kilcoyne 03.08.2011	Originally Posted by Grifff Whereas, another friend who was interested in DJing before I was, went out straight away without even considering any options and bought 2 Pioneer 800 mk2's and the Behringer mixer that I ended up buying many months later. He then realised that DJing was hard and that you couldn't beatmatch perfectly on your first go so he got bored of it and sold them Which meant you could pick up on some barely used kit for a far lower price. Sometime the clueless types fwith more cash than sense do do us a favour ...
Kassandra Guthmiller 03.08.2011	Originally Posted by MaxOne Now I have to spend hours wading through endless dross to find the good stuff. And there's a lot more stuff to go through too than vinyl days... Yeah, you do have a point. Countless hours have been spent on beatport Originally Posted by MaxOne I believe a live chat service with dudes on beatport / juno would be wicked. If you could get to know someone and they get to know you etc. Probably unrealistic but it's a good idea I'd like to see this implemented. Fat chance though
Kassandra Guthmiller 03.08.2011	Originally Posted by Ciar2001 when i started i got a 10 minute lesson from a good friend on how to use 1210's that was it! Similar situation to me, I was at a house party and was listening to my friend explaining to another how to beatmatch and use a cd deck. 6 months later, I went out and bought 2 Citronic MP3CD-S3's and a Behringer DJX 700, all the time still remembering what he said and learnt to beatmatch and DJ from trial and error. I then later on progressed to buy one Pioneer 800mk2, and then another later still. Whereas, another friend who was interested in DJing before I was, went out straight away without even considering any options and bought 2 Pioneer 800 mk2's and the Behringer mixer that I ended up buying many months later. He then realised that DJing was hard and that you couldn't beatmatch perfectly on your first go so he got bored of it and sold them
Hipolito Scionti 03.08.2011	Originally Posted by Grifff Exactly It even kindly orders the music into a top 100 format which can then be even further organised according to genre of music. And when you click on your favourite genre(s) it then has a load of DJs and producers top ten of that week. It isn't even remotely difficult for people to search for good music if they bothered their arses trying to find it. TBH, I find it harder to find good music now. I used to walk into my local record shops every week and the guys new the sort of shit I would like and hand me a stack to go through. Now I have to spend hours wading through endless dross to find the good stuff. And there's a lot more stuff to go through too than vinyl days... Having to get tunes pressed up on vinyl was like a dross filter Just sayin I believe a live chat service with dudes on beatport / juno would be wicked. If you could get to know someone and they get to know you etc. Probably unrealistic but it's a good idea
Kassandra Guthmiller 03.08.2011	Originally Posted by DigitalDevil On top of that, every time I open beatport it shouts out at me "Hey! You know that label that always releases tracks that you love? Well, they just released some more tracks for you to check out!" pensive hardware is obviously far too much to ask for. Exactly It even kindly orders the music into a top 100 format which can then be even further organised according to genre of music. And when you click on your favourite genre(s) it then has a load of DJs and producers top ten of that week. It isn't even remotely difficult for people to search for good music if they bothered their arses trying to find it.
Loralee Erban 02.08.2011	Originally Posted by MaxOne If someone came up to me and said are you a musician i'd say "no, i'm a dj" I don't believe being a musician automatically makes for a better dj... doesn't help you read a crowd and pull out the right song selection for the mood in the place. Doesn't help with stage presence... It helps with producing, no doubt I believe it does help with stage presence and nerves providing you play for an audience, it helps with knowing keys depending on your ability, helps with breaking down songs into different instruments, it opens up your musical taste to more then just edm. I personally believe if I didnt play instruments I wouldnt appreciate music as much. Drums help people with timing, im pretty sure a drummer would make a fairly good cue point juggler, being a bassist helps with rythm and once midi guitars get better im pretty sure you will see "slash" style solo scratching. All in all we have a love for music regardless of being a dj, musician, producer or just a clubber.
Stanley Topoleski 03.08.2011	Originally Posted by dj stifffy Nice to hear a real musician on this site, been playing guitar for 4 years myself and bass for 11, love when people come upto me and say sure you can dj but that doesnt make you a real musician, I like to reply with what instruments do you play then? Usually say summit like drums then I ask how long and hear like 2 years... Its great to argue with people that dont have a clue. And yes it helps you appreciate live music. haha same here. i too play guitar among other instruments its nice and feels great and to actually understand music rather then just being able to mix 2 songs together
Stanley Topoleski 04.08.2011	Originally Posted by keithace Sifting through the ass loads of music is still fun for me...i know that i have to turn stones over to find my sound...of course i get sidetracked with producers and labels...but thats part of the fun... The internet gives me access to music i could never get close to back in the vinyl days... AMEN!!! if it wasn't for the internet i would probably be sitting in front an idiot box playing games, i wouldn't know who people like Armin Van Buuren and Tiesto are. i wouldn't even be making music
Margie Pavell 03.08.2011	Sifting through the ass loads of music is still fun for me...i know that i have to turn stones over to find my sound...of course i get sidetracked with producers and labels...but thats part of the fun... The internet gives me access to music i could never get close to back in the vinyl days...
Stanley Topoleski 03.08.2011	and nothing is more common then the words " cool music what program did you use "
Leeanna Ayla 03.08.2011	I believe following of interest items on the music sites help to weed it out, but there's still way more crap to go through.
Spencer Kilcoyne 03.08.2011	Originally Posted by Grifff Whereas, another friend who was interested in DJing before I was, went out straight away without even considering any options and bought 2 Pioneer 800 mk2's and the Behringer mixer that I ended up buying many months later. He then realised that DJing was hard and that you couldn't beatmatch perfectly on your first go so he got bored of it and sold them Which meant you could pick up on some barely used kit for a far lower price. Sometime the clueless types fwith more cash than sense do do us a favour ...
Kassandra Guthmiller 03.08.2011	Originally Posted by MaxOne Now I have to spend hours wading through endless dross to find the good stuff. And there's a lot more stuff to go through too than vinyl days... Yeah, you do have a point. Countless hours have been spent on beatport Originally Posted by MaxOne I believe a live chat service with dudes on beatport / juno would be wicked. If you could get to know someone and they get to know you etc. Probably unrealistic but it's a good idea I'd like to see this implemented. Fat chance though
Kassandra Guthmiller 03.08.2011	Originally Posted by Ciar2001 when i started i got a 10 minute lesson from a good friend on how to use 1210's that was it! Similar situation to me, I was at a house party and was listening to my friend explaining to another how to beatmatch and use a cd deck. 6 months later, I went out and bought 2 Citronic MP3CD-S3's and a Behringer DJX 700, all the time still remembering what he said and learnt to beatmatch and DJ from trial and error. I then later on progressed to buy one Pioneer 800mk2, and then another later still. Whereas, another friend who was interested in DJing before I was, went out straight away without even considering any options and bought 2 Pioneer 800 mk2's and the Behringer mixer that I ended up buying many months later. He then realised that DJing was hard and that you couldn't beatmatch perfectly on your first go so he got bored of it and sold them
Hipolito Scionti 03.08.2011	Originally Posted by Grifff Exactly It even kindly orders the music into a top 100 format which can then be even further organised according to genre of music. And when you click on your favourite genre(s) it then has a load of DJs and producers top ten of that week. It isn't even remotely difficult for people to search for good music if they bothered their arses trying to find it. TBH, I find it harder to find good music now. I used to walk into my local record shops every week and the guys new the sort of shit I would like and hand me a stack to go through. Now I have to spend hours wading through endless dross to find the good stuff. And there's a lot more stuff to go through too than vinyl days... Having to get tunes pressed up on vinyl was like a dross filter Just sayin I believe a live chat service with dudes on beatport / juno would be wicked. If you could get to know someone and they get to know you etc. Probably unrealistic but it's a good idea
Scarlett Saupp 03.08.2011	In the words of Johnny Drama "I got into this business so I wouldn't have to work" .. and the gen-y sentiment echoes on
Kassandra Guthmiller 03.08.2011	Originally Posted by DigitalDevil On top of that, every time I open beatport it shouts out at me "Hey! You know that label that always releases tracks that you love? Well, they just released some more tracks for you to check out!" pensive hardware is obviously far too much to ask for. Exactly It even kindly orders the music into a top 100 format which can then be even further organised according to genre of music. And when you click on your favourite genre(s) it then has a load of DJs and producers top ten of that week. It isn't even remotely difficult for people to search for good music if they bothered their arses trying to find it.
Hipolito Scionti 02.08.2011	I'm not saying it hurts... I agree, plenty of crossover skills. i just personally don't play an instrument but i know I have a proper feel for djing and a love for music. I have been djing over 15 years and always rock it. I wouldn't be able to tell you what key a song is in from ear but i know when two songs blend musically. 8/10 the song i instinctively pick next when playing out seems to fit in key... if it doesn't though i make it work by dropping on the instrumental sections cause i trust my instict rather than let the "key" dictate the flow and mix. I've always felt i've got a knack for putting on the right song for the right moment and being able to read a room of people... Not saying if i could play an instrument i'd be any worse or better but i don't believe one leads directly to the other. I've heard MJ Cole dj and he's awful and he's incredibly musically gifted and classically trained. Just sayin
Loralee Erban 02.08.2011	Originally Posted by MaxOne If someone came up to me and said are you a musician i'd say "no, i'm a dj" I don't believe being a musician automatically makes for a better dj... doesn't help you read a crowd and pull out the right song selection for the mood in the place. Doesn't help with stage presence... It helps with producing, no doubt I believe it does help with stage presence and nerves providing you play for an audience, it helps with knowing keys depending on your ability, helps with breaking down songs into different instruments, it opens up your musical taste to more then just edm. I personally believe if I didnt play instruments I wouldnt appreciate music as much. Drums help people with timing, im pretty sure a drummer would make a fairly good cue point juggler, being a bassist helps with rythm and once midi guitars get better im pretty sure you will see "slash" style solo scratching. All in all we have a love for music regardless of being a dj, musician, producer or just a clubber.
Hipolito Scionti 02.08.2011	If someone came up to me and said are you a musician i'd say "no, i'm a dj" I don't believe being a musician automatically makes for a better dj... doesn't help you read a crowd and pull out the right song selection for the mood in the place. Doesn't help with stage presence... It helps with producing, no doubt
Cordia Clemensen 02.08.2011	Originally Posted by Sherlock Ohms ...muttering some gibberish about 'apples and pears'... Heh. I am drinking a variety of organic ciders and perries toevening .
Gregory Finely 02.08.2011	Originally Posted by Sherlock Ohms <insert mental image of Ciar in a Pearly King outfit, playing the spoons, and muttering some gibberish about 'apples and pears'> Actually that's not too far off the truth ... rofl ;-) spoons rock maybe i should try modding a set to use them midi!
Spencer Kilcoyne 02.08.2011	Originally Posted by Ciar2001 wow I mention a bloody instrument and it all turns funny lol, I still play the macbook pro with Ableton when producing like I did last evening for a couple of hours, I still play my xone 4d with Traktor all i was saying is by getting my first ever guitar that's it's brought back the enjoyment of learning... P.s I can also play the bodhran self taught years ago :-P and the spoons cause being a cockney i was born playing em... i fank joo! <insert mental image of Ciar in a Pearly King outfit, playing the spoons, and muttering some gibberish about 'apples and pears'> Actually that's not too far off the truth ...
Gregory Finely 02.08.2011	wow I mention a bloody instrument and it all turns funny lol, I still play the macbook pro with Ableton when producing like I did last evening for a couple of hours, I still play my xone 4d with Traktor all i was saying is by getting my first ever guitar that's it's brought back the enjoyment of learning... P.s I can also play the bodhran self taught years ago :-P and the spoons cause being a cockney i was born playing em... i fank joo!
Cordia Clemensen 02.08.2011	Originally Posted by dj stifffy love when people come upto me and say sure you can dj but that doesnt make you a real musician, I like to reply with what instruments do you play then? 20 years of piano/keyboard/organ, 10-15 years of bass & guitar, classical voice training and learning the shakuhachi at the moment. And post-graduate music degrees from the conservatorium of music. No smoke on the water doesn't qualify you as a musican, pal. ^_^
Lawana Spratlen 01.08.2011	Originally Posted by keithace what was that for? Seems a little bit of the Pot calling the Kettle Black!
Margie Pavell 01.08.2011	<---- confused
May Artman 01.08.2011	Originally Posted by BFLY http://www.djranking s.com/community /showthread.php?t=19889 http://www.djranking s.com/community /showthread.php?t=20189
Margie Pavell 01.08.2011	Originally Posted by BFLY http://www.djranking s.com/community /showthread.php?t=19889 what was that for?
Loralee Erban 01.08.2011	Originally Posted by Sherlock Ohms Does playing 'em for ten years count? maybe but a lot of people disregard djs as people that hit the play button I like to then turn around and see what tallents theve got
Lawana Spratlen 01.08.2011	http://www.djranking s.com/community /showthread.php?t=19889
Kesha Orde 01.08.2011	Originally Posted by tekki Yeah, that's something you can expect from someone with a name that's 'slutty' in dutch. Oh, I thought it meant 'lazy'...
Random X 01.08.2011	Originally Posted by Alex Wild http://www.djranking s.com/community /showthread.php?t=34442 Yeah, that's something you can expect from someone with a name that's 'slutty' in dutch.
Spencer Kilcoyne 01.08.2011	Originally Posted by dj stifffy Usually say summit like drums then I ask how long and hear like 2 years... Its great to argue with people that dont have a clue. Does playing 'em for ten years count?
Loralee Erban 01.08.2011	Originally Posted by Ciar2001 . got a guitar at Xmas i have lessons love it, it's brought all that wanting to learn back to me again which i kinda lost with mixing and making tunes, guitar is hard and i love it been at it since January and it's honestly makes me appreciate real music/live music a ton more than i used to do. Nice to hear a real musician on this site, been playing guitar for 4 years myself and bass for 11, love when people come upto me and say sure you can dj but that doesnt make you a real musician, I like to reply with what instruments do you play then? Usually say summit like drums then I ask how long and hear like 2 years... Its great to argue with people that dont have a clue. And yes it helps you appreciate live music.
Gregory Finely 01.08.2011	it's why I don't frequent community s like i did, want too many of those type of threads, when i started i got a 10 minute lesson from a good friend on how to use 1210's that was it! i went of and started up myself (before the interweb this the mid to late 80's, I learnt traktor by myself as well and as for Ableton I had lessons once every couple of weeks along with google it's really not that hard, I just believe the human race has become more lazy and wants it all on a plate nowadays. got a guitar at Xmas i have lessons love it, it's brought all that wanting to learn back to me again which i kinda lost with mixing and making tunes, guitar is hard and i love it been at it since January and it's honestly makes me appreciate real music/live music a ton more than i used to do. i believe in general the internet is a good thing and a bad thing and i reckon most people understand why.
May Artman 01.08.2011	Considering the people making such threads manage to ignore the FAQ (and the rest of the site), I doubt a newbie section would really alleviate much.
Lin Danek 31.07.2011	Originally Posted by keithace tech knowledge everything else comes from within Well said Keith. One is in the manual/'search' box/can be googled. The other not.

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