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Amazing DJ Commentary [Lots of Cussing]
Posted on: 01.05.2013 by Doreen Schurle


Fucking brilliant video.

Your dick's not gonna grow because you mix on vinyl.
Major hating on A-->B mixing, love it.
Johnetta Olewine
09.05.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Yes.... because if I was playing those genres I'd be doing turntablism. You don't see people doing turntablism and playing progressive house, do you?
Stop posting.
Arnulfo Morten
09.05.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Yes.... because if I was playing those genres I'd be doing turntablism. You don't see people doing turntablism and playing progressive house, do you?
I do here in the West Coast. Some baby scratches with filter on build ups and mixing tricks like doubles ups. nothing to crazy to confuse the the ravers lol. Check out Laidback Luke he throws in a little turntableism here and there as well as Kissy Sellout and myself just saying........
Doreen Schurle
10.05.2013
Originally Posted by oliosky
Weren't you saying earlier in the thread the only reason to have TTs is for turntableism?
Yes.... because if I was playing those genres I'd be doing turntablism. You don't see people doing turntablism and playing progressive house, do you?
Johnetta Olewine
09.05.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
If I was playing R'n'B or hip-hop, I'd want DVS'd TTs and a cuepoint/loop/beatjump controller (X1 most likely, although I could probably get away with dicers at a pinch).
Weren't you saying earlier in the thread the only reason to have TTs is for turntableism?
Dannie Dimora
08.05.2013
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
.
Sorry man, i misunderstood your post then. I apologize sincerely..


Originally Posted by Karlos Santos

Moving onto the subject of CDJ's... I get more shit for using an S4 from DJ's (or kids that don't gig) that use CDJ's than vinyl.

There is always talk about vinyl snobs and purists and little talk about CDJ snobs. I don't get it...!!!
True that, i guess it's more like controllerists vs everyone else nowadays..


Originally Posted by Karlos Santos

A. I find CDJ's to be ultimately boring to play on.
B: They are lifeless. Even more so than a controller that offers so many functions.
^this right here.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
08.05.2013
Originally Posted by Polygon
I do, may i stand behind my retarded argument now?
Dude. mate, I wasn't saying you're argument is retarded.
I was saying that the guy in the video was being retarded by perpetuating the ridiculous assumption at all vinyl DJ's believe that vinyl makes them look cool.

Also, when I say that I do not know any vinyl DJ's that do it just to be cool, what I mean is, DJ's that play and do gigs and are pro or semi-pro. I could care less for the attitude and intentions of bedroom DJ's on this subject. Young, bedroom DJ's do not have an opinion worth listening to. Of course they believe they are cool. When you are in your teens you believe the world revolves around you.

I bet there are 100's of 1000's of bedroom DJ's that believe they are cool cus they use vinyl. I know this cus I have to listen to their shit when they spaz out at me using an S4 at my weekly gigs.

If you are a gigging DJ using vinyl, you have spent a lot of time, money and learnt skill. Being cool is not high on the list when it's something you love.


Moving onto the subject of CDJ's... I get more shit for using an S4 from DJ's (or kids that don't gig) that use CDJ's than vinyl.

There is always talk about vinyl snobs and purists and little talk about CDJ snobs. I don't get it...!!!

CDJ's are not the be-all and end-all. I want to smash a guys teeth out when he tries to look down on me for using an S4 because he uses CDJ's. Not cus I am an old vinyl DJ who has owed CDJ's and now uses a controller but because:

A. I find CDJ's to be ultimately boring to play on.
B: They are lifeless. Even more so than a controller that offers so many functions.
C: It is IMPOSSIBLE to do a bad mix on a CDJ.

I just dont get it how the CDJ generation believes their shit dont stink.

I dont care at all what medium people use. I am not a DJ snob in anyway at all... but if I had to put any medium at the bottom of the food chain it would be the CDJ.
Doreen Schurle
09.05.2013
Originally Posted by Nicky H
What do you mean they offer nothing ... ?

Standardized set-up is pretty important to some people.
Irrelevant if you're using your own gear.

Originally Posted by Nicky H
Not having to carry all that gear is pretty important to some people.
Laziness. Clearly you've never had to lug 200 vinyls and a pair of TTs down to a venue.

Originally Posted by Nicky H
Not having to be a twat in the booth plugging your cables in and balancing your S4 on a piece of foam when the warm up is finishing his set is pretty important to some people.
See my previous post about cabling.

Originally Posted by Nicky H
Not worrying about your laptop crashing is pretty important to some people.
Laptops don't just "crash" for no reason, they crash if YOU make them. Plus you're acting like CDJs aren't computerized as well.

Originally Posted by Nicky H
Being able to mingle, with actual people, without worrying if somebody's run off with your MacBook is pretty important to some people.
Wtf? Are you there to DJ or to club? You shouldn't have TIME to "mingle".
Janyce Henningson
08.05.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
This WHOLE argument right here is my issue with CDJs. Vinyl has tactile control, CDJs do not. In this day and age, I can understand people still using Vinyl for whatever they want to do with it - although I DO still believe it offers you less capabilities than Traktor, unless you're a turntablist - because it does, at least, offer ONE benefit over MIDI controllers. CDJs offer nothing, which is why I just can't understand using them now.
What do you mean they offer nothing ... ?

Standardized set-up is pretty important to some people.
Not having to carry all that gear is pretty important to some people.
Not having to be a twat in the booth plugging your cables in and balancing your S4 on a piece of foam when the warm up is finishing his set is pretty important to some people.
Not worrying about your laptop crashing is pretty important to some people.
Being able to mingle, with actual people, without worrying if somebody's run off with your MacBook is pretty important to some people.
etc. etc.

To say they offer nothing is bollocks pal.

It makes me laugh how some button mashing/fx chomping "controllerists" are so defensive over their gear , get over it, or get some cdj's and stfu.
Dannie Dimora
08.05.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Well that's my point isn't it? Their position is based on their name, not the actual capabilities of the unit.
Yes, you're completely right. Still, you cannot deny that because of their name, the cdj line are the only HID compatible devices (both with traktor and ssl) currently on the market... And their top of the line 2000nxs have more functions than any other media player available now (maybe the sc3900 is there, but nothing else)
Dannie Dimora
08.05.2013
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
I genuinely cannot say I know of anyone that has got into vinyl because they believe it makes them cool.
I do, may i stand behind my retarded argument now?
Margie Pavell
10.05.2013		just the current state of affairs at the DJTT community s...there are a few lately...
Len Lukawski
10.05.2013		Someone needs troll status. This child has managed to annoy and bore me in exactly equal parts.
Johnetta Olewine
09.05.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Yes.... because if I was playing those genres I'd be doing turntablism. You don't see people doing turntablism and playing progressive house, do you?
Stop posting.
Arnulfo Morten
09.05.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Yes.... because if I was playing those genres I'd be doing turntablism. You don't see people doing turntablism and playing progressive house, do you?
I do here in the West Coast. Some baby scratches with filter on build ups and mixing tricks like doubles ups. nothing to crazy to confuse the the ravers lol. Check out Laidback Luke he throws in a little turntableism here and there as well as Kissy Sellout and myself just saying........
Doreen Schurle
10.05.2013
Originally Posted by oliosky
Weren't you saying earlier in the thread the only reason to have TTs is for turntableism?
Yes.... because if I was playing those genres I'd be doing turntablism. You don't see people doing turntablism and playing progressive house, do you?
Janyce Henningson
09.05.2013		Most of it bollox
Augustine Mitzen
09.05.2013		he says a lot of things.
Johnetta Olewine
09.05.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
If I was playing R'n'B or hip-hop, I'd want DVS'd TTs and a cuepoint/loop/beatjump controller (X1 most likely, although I could probably get away with dicers at a pinch).
Weren't you saying earlier in the thread the only reason to have TTs is for turntableism?
Doreen Schurle
08.05.2013		The ironic thing is, these CDJ snob assholes you find everywhere were the same people getting ripped on mercilessly by Vinyl DJs a decade ago. I know this, because I was one of those vinyl DJs who took the piss out of anyone who used CDs. It wasn't until MIDI controllers came out that I realised there was a better solution than playing vinyl.

HOWEVER, if you ask them, most of the CDJ users who look down on controllerists have two very important characteristics:

a) They STARTED DJing on CDJs. People who moved from Vinyl to CDJs are usually a lot more forgiving because they understand that the technology evolves.
b) They've rarely owned/used a controller exclusively, so they're talking from a point of assumption rather than one of experience

The one exception to b) are those who care more about image than they do about their own performances. I know a few people who've said stupid shit like "I hate CDJs but I don't believe anyone will take my seriously if I use my <insert controller here>"; those are the ones who worry me the most... I kinda feel sorry for them and usually try to encourage them to keep using their controller and ignore what anyone else says, because ultimately their mixing will be better using the gear that they feel most comfortable with.

Hell, that's why I personally own a bunch of different controllers, because for playing different genres, in different types of venues, different gear feels most comfortable to me. If I'm playing in a Top 40 venue, I want something with big jogwheels, good transport controls, loop/beatjump encoders (ideally with buttons as well) and a pitchfader. If I'm playing trance or progressive house, I primarily want FX control and a nice smooth mixer section, or the ability to set my gear up close to the house mixer. If I was playing R'n'B or hip-hop, I'd want DVS'd TTs and a cuepoint/loop/beatjump controller (X1 most likely, although I could probably get away with dicers at a pinch).

I can't believe of ANY genre I'd play where I'd believe to myself, "oh yeah, I'd love some CDJs", because they don't tick enough boxes. They don't have moving platters, so they can't replace TTs, and they don't have decent loop/beatjump functionality, so they can't replace MIDI transport controllers. I understand how they were a brilliant alternative to turntables when they were the ONLY alternative, but a MIDI controller + software package does everything a CDJ does and a hell of a lot more, in a much more flexible way; and no amount of people praising them for XYZ is going to change that fact.
Dannie Dimora
08.05.2013
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
.
Sorry man, i misunderstood your post then. I apologize sincerely..


Originally Posted by Karlos Santos

Moving onto the subject of CDJ's... I get more shit for using an S4 from DJ's (or kids that don't gig) that use CDJ's than vinyl.

There is always talk about vinyl snobs and purists and little talk about CDJ snobs. I don't get it...!!!
True that, i guess it's more like controllerists vs everyone else nowadays..


Originally Posted by Karlos Santos

A. I find CDJ's to be ultimately boring to play on.
B: They are lifeless. Even more so than a controller that offers so many functions.
^this right here.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
08.05.2013
Originally Posted by Polygon
I do, may i stand behind my retarded argument now?
Dude. mate, I wasn't saying you're argument is retarded.
I was saying that the guy in the video was being retarded by perpetuating the ridiculous assumption at all vinyl DJ's believe that vinyl makes them look cool.

Also, when I say that I do not know any vinyl DJ's that do it just to be cool, what I mean is, DJ's that play and do gigs and are pro or semi-pro. I could care less for the attitude and intentions of bedroom DJ's on this subject. Young, bedroom DJ's do not have an opinion worth listening to. Of course they believe they are cool. When you are in your teens you believe the world revolves around you.

I bet there are 100's of 1000's of bedroom DJ's that believe they are cool cus they use vinyl. I know this cus I have to listen to their shit when they spaz out at me using an S4 at my weekly gigs.

If you are a gigging DJ using vinyl, you have spent a lot of time, money and learnt skill. Being cool is not high on the list when it's something you love.


Moving onto the subject of CDJ's... I get more shit for using an S4 from DJ's (or kids that don't gig) that use CDJ's than vinyl.

There is always talk about vinyl snobs and purists and little talk about CDJ snobs. I don't get it...!!!

CDJ's are not the be-all and end-all. I want to smash a guys teeth out when he tries to look down on me for using an S4 because he uses CDJ's. Not cus I am an old vinyl DJ who has owed CDJ's and now uses a controller but because:

A. I find CDJ's to be ultimately boring to play on.
B: They are lifeless. Even more so than a controller that offers so many functions.
C: It is IMPOSSIBLE to do a bad mix on a CDJ.

I just dont get it how the CDJ generation believes their shit dont stink.

I dont care at all what medium people use. I am not a DJ snob in anyway at all... but if I had to put any medium at the bottom of the food chain it would be the CDJ.
Margie Pavell
08.05.2013		Nicky wins.

/thread
Doreen Schurle
09.05.2013
Originally Posted by Nicky H
What do you mean they offer nothing ... ?

Standardized set-up is pretty important to some people.
Irrelevant if you're using your own gear.

Originally Posted by Nicky H
Not having to carry all that gear is pretty important to some people.
Laziness. Clearly you've never had to lug 200 vinyls and a pair of TTs down to a venue.

Originally Posted by Nicky H
Not having to be a twat in the booth plugging your cables in and balancing your S4 on a piece of foam when the warm up is finishing his set is pretty important to some people.
See my previous post about cabling.

Originally Posted by Nicky H
Not worrying about your laptop crashing is pretty important to some people.
Laptops don't just "crash" for no reason, they crash if YOU make them. Plus you're acting like CDJs aren't computerized as well.

Originally Posted by Nicky H
Being able to mingle, with actual people, without worrying if somebody's run off with your MacBook is pretty important to some people.
Wtf? Are you there to DJ or to club? You shouldn't have TIME to "mingle".
Janyce Henningson
08.05.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
This WHOLE argument right here is my issue with CDJs. Vinyl has tactile control, CDJs do not. In this day and age, I can understand people still using Vinyl for whatever they want to do with it - although I DO still believe it offers you less capabilities than Traktor, unless you're a turntablist - because it does, at least, offer ONE benefit over MIDI controllers. CDJs offer nothing, which is why I just can't understand using them now.
What do you mean they offer nothing ... ?

Standardized set-up is pretty important to some people.
Not having to carry all that gear is pretty important to some people.
Not having to be a twat in the booth plugging your cables in and balancing your S4 on a piece of foam when the warm up is finishing his set is pretty important to some people.
Not worrying about your laptop crashing is pretty important to some people.
Being able to mingle, with actual people, without worrying if somebody's run off with your MacBook is pretty important to some people.
etc. etc.

To say they offer nothing is bollocks pal.

It makes me laugh how some button mashing/fx chomping "controllerists" are so defensive over their gear , get over it, or get some cdj's and stfu.
Hank Guidas
08.05.2013		Hmm, in Denmark I haven't really seen any controllers - atleast not in Copenhagen. Seems like there's a big market for vinyl here and it seems many dj's strictly play vinyl. Any thoughts on this?

Not hating on controllers btw
Dannie Dimora
08.05.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Well that's my point isn't it? Their position is based on their name, not the actual capabilities of the unit.
Yes, you're completely right. Still, you cannot deny that because of their name, the cdj line are the only HID compatible devices (both with traktor and ssl) currently on the market... And their top of the line 2000nxs have more functions than any other media player available now (maybe the sc3900 is there, but nothing else)
Dannie Dimora
08.05.2013
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
I genuinely cannot say I know of anyone that has got into vinyl because they believe it makes them cool.
I do, may i stand behind my retarded argument now?
Doreen Schurle
08.05.2013
Originally Posted by Polygon
They offer..... market dominance.
That's the whole deal with cdj's, as far as i understand.
Well that's my point isn't it? Their position is based on their name, not the actual capabilities of the unit.
Dannie Dimora
08.05.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
This WHOLE argument right here is my issue with CDJs. Vinyl has tactile control, CDJs do not. In this day and age, I can understand people still using Vinyl for whatever they want to do with it - although I DO still believe it offers you less capabilities than Traktor, unless you're a turntablist - because it does, at least, offer ONE benefit over MIDI controllers. CDJs offer nothing, which is why I just can't understand using them now.
They offer..... market dominance.
That's the whole deal with cdj's, as far as i understand.
Dannie Dimora
08.05.2013
Originally Posted by Patch
So? It has nothing to do with what MEDIA the tune is on. I have TONS of Hip-Hop vinyl from the 80's, but I haven't played any of 'em for over 5 years. But I've played the tunes on that vinyl many times in DJ Decks with timecode. (I've ripped 'em!)

You don't get credit for owning pieces of vinyl. You get credit for owning amazing tunes.
Originally Posted by Polygon

If you see benefit in vinyl, well, that's your thing. Does it have a different feeling than loading a track from a folder? fuck yeah! Going to the record store, taking your time to carefully select your records, digging in the vinyl crate, feeling something in your hands, preparing the disc, lowering the needle. Yes, it's definitely more tactile than browsing with a knob and pressing a button to load .

But what bugs me (and the guy in the video) is that many believe people who spin wax should be given more respect a priori.
Should bl3nd be given more respect than AZ since he mixes with vinyl?
Of course it's because of the tracks, but we weren't talking about that.
Doreen Schurle
08.05.2013
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
The one thing that people on DJTT seem forget is that DJ's using vinyl, be it timecode or records do it for one MASSIVE reason.

Tactile Control.

Fuck being 'cool'. Fuck the 'task'. Fuck the fact that it can be done so much cheaper with a small setup like a controller.

I genuinely cannot say I know of anyone that has got into vinyl because they believe it makes them cool.
This is a massive lie perpetuated by people that do not use vinyl to justify controllerism when they don't need to justify anything. Just do what you like.

It is exactly the same as the idiot morons that perpetuate the myth that people only by Macs cus they believe it makes them look cool. Fuck off. That is stupid. Stop being so self righteous.

If you are happy pressing a button. Do it. Fuck knows I love my controllers (all 12 of them).
If you are happy using a record, just do it. I love my 1210's and my record collection.

This argument is so fucking retarded.

DJTT is like dog chasing its tail at the moment and it is boring me.
This WHOLE argument right here is my issue with CDJs. Vinyl has tactile control, CDJs do not. In this day and age, I can understand people still using Vinyl for whatever they want to do with it - although I DO still believe it offers you less capabilities than Traktor, unless you're a turntablist - because it does, at least, offer ONE benefit over MIDI controllers. CDJs offer nothing, which is why I just can't understand using them now.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
05.05.2013
Originally Posted by Patch
You get credit for owning amazing tunes.
The man speaks the truth.
Brunilda Kora
06.05.2013
Originally Posted by oliosky
I would be surprised if Dj blend even owns a non time code record.
Originally Posted by Polygon
Ok you have a point...
So? It has nothing to do with what MEDIA the tune is on. I have TONS of Hip-Hop vinyl from the 80's, but I haven't played any of 'em for over 5 years. But I've played the tunes on that vinyl many times in DJ Decks with timecode. (I've ripped 'em!)

You don't get credit for owning pieces of vinyl. You get credit for owning amazing tunes.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
05.05.2013		The one thing that people on DJTT seem forget is that DJ's using vinyl, be it timecode or records do it for one MASSIVE reason.

Tactile Control.

Fuck being 'cool'. Fuck the 'task'. Fuck the fact that it can be done so much cheaper with a small setup like a controller.

I genuinely cannot say I know of anyone that has got into vinyl because they believe it makes them cool.
This is a massive lie perpetuated by people that do not use vinyl to justify controllerism when they don't need to justify anything. Just do what you like.

It is exactly the same as the idiot morons that perpetuate the myth that people only by Macs cus they believe it makes them look cool. Fuck off. That is stupid. Stop being so self righteous.

If you are happy pressing a button. Do it. Fuck knows I love my controllers (all 12 of them).
If you are happy using a record, just do it. I love my 1210's and my record collection.

This argument is so fucking retarded.

DJTT is like dog chasing its tail at the moment and it is boring me.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
05.05.2013
Originally Posted by Big Panda
So many antagonistic people on here
Agreed. Not only that but a lot of people cannot discuss a topic without being purposely curt and obnoxious like their own shit don't stink.
Dannie Dimora
05.05.2013
Originally Posted by johney
that's just playing tunes with a crossfader flick.

you don't even need sync
You're missing the point...
some people who use vinyl just do so because vinyl is cool and hip and "real dj's" are using it. They don't use vinyl to its fullest, they just mix tracks just as well as they could with a mouse and a computer.

I'm not hating on vinyl. I'm just saying that i find buying an expensive 2tt+mixer (+eventually timecode hardware) for that kind of mixing, just because it makes you look cool, stupid and cost ineffective, and that a little controller for 200$ would suffice for that kind of task.
Augustine Mitzen
05.05.2013		that's just playing tunes with a crossfader flick.

you don't even need sync
Dannie Dimora
05.05.2013
Originally Posted by johney
that's not mixing
It is.
Load next song in your preprepared playlist, Press sync, wait for final breakdown and crossfade to the other track.
Dedra Kreinbring
05.05.2013		So many antagonistic people on here
Augustine Mitzen
05.05.2013
Originally Posted by Polygon
A-B mixing intended as : playing a whole track, mixing, playing another whole track, and so on and so on.

If you see benefit in vinyl, well, that's your thing. Does it have a different feeling than loading a track from a folder? fuck yeah! Going to the record store, taking your time to carefully select your records, digging in the vinyl crate, feeling something in your hands, preparing the disc, lowering the needle. Yes, it's definitely more tactile than browsing with a knob and pressing a button to load .

But what bugs me (and the guy in the video) is that many believe people who spin wax should be given more respect a priori.
Should bl3nd be given more respect than AZ since he mixes with vinyl?
that's not mixing

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