Production - How Do They Get That Sound!? (dubstep)
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Production - How Do They Get That Sound!? (dubstep) Posted on: 09.06.2009 by Harold Jaras so some of you may know i've been getting into production recently, and the love of my life is dubstep. i've wanted to produce in this genre since i feel that kind of music flows through me, but i've hesitated because of a key issue: i can't get the right sound. i feel like there's a big secret about how to get that wobbly bass sound that's typical of a lot of dubstep music. is there a certain synth sound that is huge in dubstep production? or is all done through ground-up creation and modification of basic basslines? anyone that could point me in the right direction would be greatly appreciated. | |
| Adena Charman 15.06.2009 |
Originally Posted by riley
I was born and lived not too far from Leeds so I've been more involved in the 'deeper' (for want of a better word) community for quite a few years, so I guess i've stuck with that rather than getting involved with the Uni side of things. I know not everyone at Uni is like the stereotype, it just seems like people are trying to hard to fit in, which makes them fail really. For example, when I moved into halls, people asked me what sort of music I was into, I said dubstep, not really expecting them to know what it was and the same two things always got asked to me; "Have you ever heard of Skream?" and "Have you ever heard of Rusko?" It's like someone telling me that they like rock and me asking if they've ever heard of The Rolling Stones. But anyway, I could rant all day about it but it's not going to help anyone. |
| Harold Jaras 15.06.2009 |
Originally Posted by crashpackx
awesome. a million thanks. |
| Ashirumatic DJ 14.06.2009 |
Originally Posted by midian
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| Random X 13.06.2009 |
Originally Posted by weltraumpapst
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| Susy Toerner 12.06.2009 |
Originally Posted by balsawood
I can't stand these people so much so that i won't even go out sometimes, it absolutely does my head in. Which uni you at mate? Don't suppose you know much about the bpm society do ya? EDIT: O and on topic, I definately reccommend Massive, i used the same techniques that i did in Reason but it just sounded better and i could then better the sound even more as i felt like i had more control over it in Massive. |
| Ashirumatic DJ 12.06.2009 |
Originally Posted by Rumblejazz
The peices of advice he had for me was to get into those "Producer Masterclass" (Love'n the Rusko set!) video's and study the teqniques they are using and apply them to what I am trying to make. I will admit that since that little session the way I have been going about my music is for sure alot different, and the sound quality is a whole lot better as well. |
| Amada Brierley 11.06.2009 |
Originally Posted by jasonj
Just need the time around work! F*** GAMMA RAY BURST IS AMAZING (its still playing as i write) |
| Ashirumatic DJ 11.06.2009 |
Originally Posted by djhipnotikk
I rarley use my controllers in production unless im auditioning a motion I may wanna try out. |
| Adena Charman 11.06.2009 |
Originally Posted by Rumblejazz
Kulture is also one of my favourite producers atm (off the top of my head) he's a nice guy too, which I believe counts as alot. I don't mind a bit of wobble every now and then, just I can't stand going to evening s when that's all there is. It seems the general sort of movement in dubstep, in the UK anyway, is taking it main stream, which is fair enough, but at the same time the music is evolving with it. Imo Rusko aint helping. In Leeds especially, students seem to be jumping on the bandwagon and going to dubstep evening s that used to be alot of fun, now it's full of your stereotypical student (I'm a student too, but Leeds born and bred ) getting wasted and not caring about anyone but themselves and believeing they are the bees knees, rather than being part of the community, Which happens enough to be on the verge of the close dubstep community in Leeds being pulled apart. Maybe I'm just a rebel at heart. Anyway, that's my rant over. hope the OP finds what he's looking for. |
| Hertha Fang 15.06.2009 | damn how did this thread get to 4 pages? my production thread was not such a big success, even though this is dubstep (not necessarily my game) this thread has been really informative and has expanded my horizons. So thanks everyone. |
| Adena Charman 15.06.2009 |
Originally Posted by riley
I was born and lived not too far from Leeds so I've been more involved in the 'deeper' (for want of a better word) community for quite a few years, so I guess i've stuck with that rather than getting involved with the Uni side of things. I know not everyone at Uni is like the stereotype, it just seems like people are trying to hard to fit in, which makes them fail really. For example, when I moved into halls, people asked me what sort of music I was into, I said dubstep, not really expecting them to know what it was and the same two things always got asked to me; "Have you ever heard of Skream?" and "Have you ever heard of Rusko?" It's like someone telling me that they like rock and me asking if they've ever heard of The Rolling Stones. But anyway, I could rant all day about it but it's not going to help anyone. |
| Harold Jaras 15.06.2009 |
Originally Posted by crashpackx
awesome. a million thanks. |
| Mirta Casalena 15.06.2009 | How the hell did this thread make it four pages without this: http://www.dubstepcommunity .com/viewtopic.php?t=14797 Dubstep community production bible... Covers pretty much everything ever. And the stuff is great for any producer really. From basics up to hard core stuffs. |
| Ashirumatic DJ 14.06.2009 |
Originally Posted by midian
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| Ryan Morales 14.06.2009 | Imo check out Truth, they just got like 4 tunes signed to Disfigured Dubs (Skreams label) as well as already having a release on Deep Medi Music & Aquatic Lab. They toe the line between deep/atmospheric & heavy/wobble fucking well, never falling really into either camp. Minimal, but fucking crafted, atmospheric but fucking hhheeeeeeavy tunes. Prob my fav producers right now.. oh and wicked guys too, just had them play a gig. http://www.myspace.com/truthdubstep |
| Random X 13.06.2009 |
Originally Posted by weltraumpapst
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| Susy Toerner 12.06.2009 |
Originally Posted by balsawood
I can't stand these people so much so that i won't even go out sometimes, it absolutely does my head in. Which uni you at mate? Don't suppose you know much about the bpm society do ya? EDIT: O and on topic, I definately reccommend Massive, i used the same techniques that i did in Reason but it just sounded better and i could then better the sound even more as i felt like i had more control over it in Massive. |
| Adolf Hit 12.06.2009 | Gamma Ray Burst Is a fuckin Tune! Is it out on digital yet? |
| Ashirumatic DJ 12.06.2009 |
Originally Posted by Rumblejazz
The peices of advice he had for me was to get into those "Producer Masterclass" (Love'n the Rusko set!) video's and study the teqniques they are using and apply them to what I am trying to make. I will admit that since that little session the way I have been going about my music is for sure alot different, and the sound quality is a whole lot better as well. |
| Amada Brierley 11.06.2009 | no woz, i didnt believe it twas that blunt anyway, its an interesting subject,, great to see another great discussion on DJTT! |
| Adolf Hit 11.06.2009 | sorry Rumble didnt mean to be so blunt in my first post, but I'd still say that I have learnt a lot about the use of synths through following tutorials on recreating a certain sound. You are right that doesnt aid your ability to create a sound from your brain directly, but through familirising you self with different ways of using the synth it has a follow on effect in that domain. |
| Amada Brierley 11.06.2009 |
Originally Posted by jasonj
Just need the time around work! F*** GAMMA RAY BURST IS AMAZING (its still playing as i write) |
| Ashirumatic DJ 11.06.2009 |
Originally Posted by djhipnotikk
I rarley use my controllers in production unless im auditioning a motion I may wanna try out. |
| Harold Jaras 11.06.2009 | i've been trying to get the sound in Logic's EXS24 sampler but it's just not coming out how i want it no matter how much i tweak everything. the ableton process works pretty well with Simpler, but i do most of my producing in Logic. i've been oogling the NI software for a minute, they have some bomb programs. either way, i don't have the physical knobs to map so i can't really jump on the production right away. all your feedback has been a great help though guys. big ups. |
| Ashirumatic DJ 11.06.2009 | I have been diving head first into the production latley. Those masterclass vids are great! Another good way to learn is if you have a freind who is into production and is good, pick their brain. I recently sat down with Downlink ( http://www.myspace.com/downlinkdub ) and went through some production teqniques. For Dubstep basslines he noted Native Instruments Massive is a great tool for sheer ease of use and over all power This video is great for getting started with the synth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZYDmw2pYOk You tube is a indespensible tool for learning different teqniques Happy Producing! |
| Amada Brierley 11.06.2009 | I know what you mean man, I used to live in Manchester, and stuff like the Warehouse project, which used to be full of sound people, wanting to dance to quality music, is now overrun by freshers who take their tops off and wear sunglasses, cover themselves in glow paint, and girls in high heels, as you said jumping on the bandwagon. There is hope though, I know what you mean about Rusko, but I still like a bit of ravey dubstep, people like trolley snatcha and flux pavilion are developing it more.... |
| Adena Charman 11.06.2009 |
Originally Posted by Rumblejazz
Kulture is also one of my favourite producers atm (off the top of my head) he's a nice guy too, which I believe counts as alot. I don't mind a bit of wobble every now and then, just I can't stand going to evening s when that's all there is. It seems the general sort of movement in dubstep, in the UK anyway, is taking it main stream, which is fair enough, but at the same time the music is evolving with it. Imo Rusko aint helping. In Leeds especially, students seem to be jumping on the bandwagon and going to dubstep evening s that used to be alot of fun, now it's full of your stereotypical student (I'm a student too, but Leeds born and bred ) getting wasted and not caring about anyone but themselves and believeing they are the bees knees, rather than being part of the community, Which happens enough to be on the verge of the close dubstep community in Leeds being pulled apart. Maybe I'm just a rebel at heart. Anyway, that's my rant over. hope the OP finds what he's looking for. |
| Belen Wermes 11.06.2009 | I saw these videos the other day which I found a bit helpful. The best stuff I got from it was when they were discussing their workflow and how they go about approaching a track and what some of the key elements a good song needs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4rDC1kuHtc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_6Ri...eature=related |
| Belen Wermes 11.06.2009 |
Originally Posted by BentoSan
fair enough. I probably could've saved myself alot of time when I was first learning if I looked at tutorials. But at the same time it was through the extensive experimenting I did that I discovered some very unique techniques for programming synth patches that I may not have learned had I relied on tutorials for my education. |
| Amada Brierley 11.06.2009 | are you a more iTal Tek sounding kinda guy? |
| Adena Charman 11.06.2009 | Hello. I class myself as a dubstep producer over a DJ, however, I can't stand the 'wobble' typical of 'jump up' dubstep that is taking over the dubstep scene. Even though most are, I am not a fan of producers such as Rusko and Bar 9 (if you are going to explore a particular artist to develop your wobble sound I do recommend Bar 9 though). In my opinion, bass and inparticular sub bass are the area you need to master to create 'proper' dubstep. Here is a pretty good guide about bass: http://www.mashit.com/2007/10/27/tut...bass-research/ There has been some good advice posted, I expect the same advice carries over to other styles of music production, so I won't repeat that. What I will say though, is be patient and stick with it, don't expect the sound to suddenly come to you, it won't, the sound should always be evolving into something you are after. |
| Amada Brierley 11.06.2009 | share it Tune I'm working on as a cheap prezzie for me mate's bday: Safe for work streaming and optional download: www.drop.io/chrisbday2009 Personalized wobble. |
| Harold Jaras 11.06.2009 |
Originally Posted by BentoSan
Originally Posted by Nephew
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| Breana Singerman 09.06.2009 |
Originally Posted by BentoSan
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| Xavier Emanuels 09.06.2009 | Telling producers not to watch tutorials is kind of like saying "dont read djtt" to dj's Watch it\Read it Try it Evolve it Share it Repeat Thats how sound evolves and things get better and more refined. By using ideas of the past and building upon we create the evolution of sound |
| Amada Brierley 09.06.2009 |
Originally Posted by midifidler
Slight distinction: DO Try to copy a sound if your doing it solely by yourself, getting to know the synth, playing with all the parameters and using your ear to recreate the sound. DONT Try to copy the sound by following a set of steps from a tutorial. That doesnt get you anywhere. The end? |
| Glynis Mangona 09.06.2009 | the heart of that "wobble" sound is the low frequency oscilator (LFO). there are a million ways to get the same result, and a million possible results...so my advice is spend some time learning the fundamentals of synthesis...and then you'll have no problem figuring out "how they do that" with any sound. my other piece of advice is that, like most art, your first attempts are going to be crap. push through it and have fun |
| Adolf Hit 09.06.2009 |
Don't try to copy a sound
Trying to copy a sound makes you listen to the more subtle details and then learn to decode that into synth settings. Copying should only be a starting point, but I still find I learn lots when I hear a sound with something unique and then try to reproduce it. But I am just a begginer. The basis of a dubstep bass line has been outlined here several times allready so I wont comment any futher. |
| Amada Brierley 09.06.2009 | Put saw and and sin oscillators, tuned down an octave, through a filter Assign Filter cutoff to the LFO rate. |
| Belen Wermes 09.06.2009 | Massive, Albino, Predator, z3ta, and spectrasonics trilogy are all VSTS used by big name producers like Rusko and Benga for basslines. I use those and I have a personal favourite which is WASP 5, this little synth is capable of some BIG sounds if you know how to use it. learning how to use synthesizers is half the fun of producing music. Just fiddle around and experiment, I personally don't find tutorials and videos that helpful. It's best to just get your hands dirty and learn the hard way. |
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