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Good sample packs for making electro
Posted on: 06.09.2010 by Retta Kozimor
I'm a newbie producer who plans on making some electro believe kinda felguk kinda style stuff. But i'm just wondering what sample packs would be a good starting point for making that style?
Eloy Snopkowski
23.09.2010
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
get a good VST and make your own sounds please!!!!!
+1

in long term if you want to be serious about it... its the best to learn how to shape a sound and make your own style/color so ppl can remind you with only like the few first bassline or something ...kinda like benny bennassy we know its him when 1 few line of is song start
Lillia Dubble
20.09.2010
Originally Posted by Nephew
If a producer comes out with a fresh sounding and different kind of track and it becomes huge everyone jumps on it and starts making that kind of music. That's what I was trying to say, but what you can't duplicate is the originality and the artistic vision to realize what you had and were producing, even though it may be way different from the norm at the moment, is going to be something massive.
Cypress Hill - Rock Superstar really spoke loud to me. Innovation is a journey, not the Storch method...Using tools is smart, streamlining helps a lot.

Thanks for giving your thoughts too by the way, sometimes I feel like my perspective is questionable. But you make good points, long live music.
Breana Singerman
18.09.2010
Originally Posted by ctrld
that's hell of a bold statement! I'm pretty sure I can disprove that. but I don't mean to start a pissing contest.
Ha! Yeah, I know. I should have said style and sound instead maybe? And that's the thing though. If a producer comes out with a fresh sounding and different kind of track and it becomes huge everyone jumps on it and starts making that kind of music. That's what I was trying to say, but what you can't duplicate is the originality and the artistic vision to realize what you had and were producing, even though it may be way different from the norm at the moment, is going to be something massive.

And that's what house and techno is missing at the moment. Too many labels and producers are playing it safe these days instead of just sitting down and trying to come up with original music.

17.09.2010
Originally Posted by Nephew
I can duplicate any track I hear now
that's hell of a bold statement! I'm pretty sure I can disprove that. but I don't mean to start a pissing contest.

Originally Posted by Nephew
Well you can't let the loops write the track for you though, and I believe that's where a lot of people get into trouble when using loops and solely relying on them.
...which is why I don't but like I said, everyone has their own approach.
Breana Singerman
17.09.2010
Originally Posted by ctrld
can't confirm - I guess everyone's approach is different. I tried using a couple of loops one time and it pushed me in a weird direction that didn't sound like me.
Well you can't let the loops write the track for you though, and I believe that's where a lot of people get into trouble when using loops and solely relying on them.
Breana Singerman
17.09.2010
Originally Posted by ctrld
but any third, fourth, fifth and/or hundreth producer will be able to duplicate their tracks...
I can duplicate any track I hear now, but it's more or less the creative process of taking a loop and making it your own with your own sounds, grooves, basslines and melodies that will make some one stand out.


Perfect example being Dubfire, Fergie and so on. They are the guys who started pushing that tougher minimal sound with the hard swinging 16th percs/synths and side chained white noise and then everyone started to create tracks like that. It's not a hard style to duplicate, but the good producers will know how to arrange, mix down, apply FX and so on to make their track a dance floor killer. Not amount of loops in the world will take a budding producer and teach him that, it's something you have to learn and that only comes with experience.

And while looking for sample packs, you should try and find one's that come with midi files as well. You'll still have the same skeleton of the loop as far as the pattern and groove, but now you can make your own sounds and make it your own. You can even rearrange the midi notes to fit your needs.
Breana Singerman
12.10.2010		That's why I'm big on getting sample packs that have the midi files with them as well. Most the "sounds" are garbage when it comes to the actual music part, but they some times have decent melodies, basslines and so on. Then from there you can program the sounds yourself and even rewrite the midi notes to suit your needs
Belen Wermes
12.10.2010		sample packs for drums is alright imo. i mean what are you gonna do hire a session drummer? and not all styles of music are conducive to create synth patches that emulate percussion...

i find most the synthesizer sounds for bass,pads and leads that come with sample packs are bullshit to the point of who would even want to use them so best is to learn how to program synthesizers for that stuff. anyways it's probably the funnest part about producing unless you're one of these guys who just wants to say "hey i'm a producer look at me."
Fleta Fergusen
12.10.2010		"you don't want to make music that anyone with the same sample pack could easily reproduce, do you?"

okay, so you don't buy sample packs...how do i make those sounds then? I want to learn to use ableton, i want to make electro house, remix songs to give it an electro house sound. do i get a Roland synthesizer, like the Gaia SH-01 Synthesizer? Add a bunch of effects on sounds?

And if i have, for example, a peewww sound is that Gaia SH-01 gonna be able to transpose that sound to any key? or would i have to some how create that peewww in a hundreds of different keys in order to put them together to make a melody or loop?
Wilfred Mcdoweii
10.10.2010		ight thanks mates!
Breana Singerman
09.10.2010		On that note, Cluster Sound has really good Ableton packs
Breana Singerman
09.10.2010		Most sites that sell sample packs also sell Ableton Live packs as well
Wilfred Mcdoweii
09.10.2010		anybody know where i can packs for ableton?
Annamae Smallridge
06.10.2010		You should check out Loopbased.com as well.
Eloy Snopkowski
23.09.2010
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
get a good VST and make your own sounds please!!!!!
+1

in long term if you want to be serious about it... its the best to learn how to shape a sound and make your own style/color so ppl can remind you with only like the few first bassline or something ...kinda like benny bennassy we know its him when 1 few line of is song start

20.09.2010		when I'm talking about using sample packs, the image I have in mind is a kid sitting in front of his cracked DAW with lots of leeched loops, trying to sound like <insert current bigshot producer here>, without any ambition to learn and develop his own style... perhaps that explains my attitude a little bit better of course generalizing is unfair, but it's really a common phenomenon, so whenever I see a thread like this I automatically SHOOP DA WHOOP
Bridget Haliburton
19.09.2010		I believe the use for sampled loops depends on where you are trying to go with the music and what you are trying to do. I believe you would be pretty hard pressed to argue that Coldcut or Hexstatic aren't "real" producers.

But generally speaking I believe that Micro sampling is a better bet than trying to get away with multiple bar loops these days.
Lillia Dubble
20.09.2010
Originally Posted by Nephew
If a producer comes out with a fresh sounding and different kind of track and it becomes huge everyone jumps on it and starts making that kind of music. That's what I was trying to say, but what you can't duplicate is the originality and the artistic vision to realize what you had and were producing, even though it may be way different from the norm at the moment, is going to be something massive.
Cypress Hill - Rock Superstar really spoke loud to me. Innovation is a journey, not the Storch method...Using tools is smart, streamlining helps a lot.

Thanks for giving your thoughts too by the way, sometimes I feel like my perspective is questionable. But you make good points, long live music.
Breana Singerman
18.09.2010
Originally Posted by ctrld
that's hell of a bold statement! I'm pretty sure I can disprove that. but I don't mean to start a pissing contest.
Ha! Yeah, I know. I should have said style and sound instead maybe? And that's the thing though. If a producer comes out with a fresh sounding and different kind of track and it becomes huge everyone jumps on it and starts making that kind of music. That's what I was trying to say, but what you can't duplicate is the originality and the artistic vision to realize what you had and were producing, even though it may be way different from the norm at the moment, is going to be something massive.

And that's what house and techno is missing at the moment. Too many labels and producers are playing it safe these days instead of just sitting down and trying to come up with original music.

17.09.2010
Originally Posted by Nephew
I can duplicate any track I hear now
that's hell of a bold statement! I'm pretty sure I can disprove that. but I don't mean to start a pissing contest.

Originally Posted by Nephew
Well you can't let the loops write the track for you though, and I believe that's where a lot of people get into trouble when using loops and solely relying on them.
...which is why I don't but like I said, everyone has their own approach.
Breana Singerman
17.09.2010
Originally Posted by ctrld
can't confirm - I guess everyone's approach is different. I tried using a couple of loops one time and it pushed me in a weird direction that didn't sound like me.
Well you can't let the loops write the track for you though, and I believe that's where a lot of people get into trouble when using loops and solely relying on them.
Breana Singerman
17.09.2010
Originally Posted by ctrld
but any third, fourth, fifth and/or hundreth producer will be able to duplicate their tracks...
I can duplicate any track I hear now, but it's more or less the creative process of taking a loop and making it your own with your own sounds, grooves, basslines and melodies that will make some one stand out.


Perfect example being Dubfire, Fergie and so on. They are the guys who started pushing that tougher minimal sound with the hard swinging 16th percs/synths and side chained white noise and then everyone started to create tracks like that. It's not a hard style to duplicate, but the good producers will know how to arrange, mix down, apply FX and so on to make their track a dance floor killer. Not amount of loops in the world will take a budding producer and teach him that, it's something you have to learn and that only comes with experience.

And while looking for sample packs, you should try and find one's that come with midi files as well. You'll still have the same skeleton of the loop as far as the pattern and groove, but now you can make your own sounds and make it your own. You can even rearrange the midi notes to fit your needs.

17.09.2010
Originally Posted by Nephew
If you give two producers the same sample packs/loops they are going to come up with two different things, and the better producer will always shine through.
but any third, fourth, fifth and/or hundreth producer will be able to duplicate their tracks...

Originally Posted by Nephew
And more than anything loops are a good way to get inspired. I've said it before, but it's hard for me to sit down in front of a blank screen and start creating something. It's always nice to have something to work with be it a percussion loop, bass loop, simple rhythm lead or vox sample even, so need something to get started.
can't confirm - I guess everyone's approach is different. I tried using a couple of loops one time and it pushed me in a weird direction that didn't sound like me.
Breana Singerman
17.09.2010		There's nothing wrong with using loops at all, more well established producers do it than you believe, hip hop, house, techno and so on. It's just one aspect of of producing, and there's an art to it as well.

If you give two producers the same sample packs/loops they are going to come up with two different things, and the better producer will always shine through.

And more than anything loops are a good way to get inspired. I've said it before, but it's hard for me to sit down in front of a blank screen and start creating something. It's always nice to have something to work with be it a percussion loop, bass loop, simple rhythm lead or vox sample even, so need something to get started. More likely than not though, in my case at least, I end up taking out the original sample or loop that got me inspired and end up not using it at all. Just part of the creative process.
Lillia Dubble
16.09.2010		First off, thanks to those with recommendations. You know, being on topic and not coming in here just to throw shit around.

Second, for the loud-mouthed "Make your own samples in your DAW or you're not a legit producer," sit the hell down child. Do you actually play a drum kit when you make your drum loops? Can you play a drum kit with the same abilities you're able to program a loop using MIDI and a VST? If not, then calm the fuck down and know your place.

Coming from live music, playing guitar for 15 years and in bands off and on for about 10 years, I know I don't play drums. One of my best friends is a fantastic drummer, both on acoustic and his Roland kit. Session musician good. So, if I come up with a melody and open the floor to him to fill in the drum part, then I sit down and work the mix and record bassline and keys layers myself, are you going to give me shit for not being the one playing the drums?

Admit it, there are some people who will always be better at a given thing. I sorely want to learn how to program my own drum loops, but dammit, there are others out there building tools for me to use to lay a foundation. If I can pull off mixing a percussion loop with a house loop and transition to a hip-hop and fast hats sequence, I'm not sitting around playing with my dick. It's work to make something original enough to make it to the next stage - recording what I'm good at...melodies, orchestration, dynamics...

In short, if you're going to spit on somebody for not MIDI sequencing or MPD drumming loops or guitar lines, be ready to be spit on by somebody who can play an actual guitar. Lay off the haterade.
Barabara Hulley
16.09.2010
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
get a good VST and make your own sounds please!!!!!
Getting good drum sounds from sample packs is not a bad thing. also you manipulate any sample loops to make it your own and new. I'm not talking about being like steve angello and taking a whole premade loop and doing nothing to it except adding drums and white noise im talking about the little loops like percussion ones and so on.
Lamonica Rockholt
14.09.2010		Sample Magic got awesome things, Deadmau5 pack is superb, TheFatJuno is also very good!

14.09.2010
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
get a good VST and make your own sounds please!!!!!
Originally Posted by darrel855
Sample packs are for suckers.
+1

you don't want to make music that anyone with the same sample pack could easily reproduce, do you?

Originally Posted by darrel855
sorry I'm typing in the toilet with my iPhone right now so this might not have made total sense
just a little bit too much information there, mate.
Anushka jayamaha
14.09.2010		Totaly those melody loops are straight up cheating . Im sure to a beginner the instant gratification of those melody sample CDs is great but it's nothing compared to finding some old vinyl and taking different pieces from very different tracks and make something new . ( sorry I'm typing in the toilet with my iPhone right now so this might not have made total sense) anyhow if I were looking records to sample to make new "electro" sounding stuff I'd probably look for some old electro or funk stuf as well as freestyle and old house and techno .
Mirta Follweiler
14.09.2010
Originally Posted by darrel855
I can say that's true if it comes to individual hits but if it's actual loops yes it does make you less of a producer .
That I can agree on, but more that its no longer the musician making the music than the source of the sound.

A question, I've always liked sampling as in the hip-hop estique of sampling existing songs but I reject the use of a lot of modern day melody-loops created to give the impression they're made by the musicians themselves. Do you feel the same about melody-loops and longer drum-loops (As in not breakbeats)?
Anushka jayamaha
14.09.2010
Originally Posted by Warwolt
Just because you let someone record and process the drumsounds you use doesn't make you any less of a producer.
I can say that's true if it comes to individual hits but if it's actual loops yes it does make you less of a producer .
Mirta Follweiler
14.09.2010
Originally Posted by darrel855
What do you mean hassle? how do you believe people did it before sample packs ?Do you know how much pf a hassle it is when people making bad tracks from sample cds jam up my soundcloud inbox?j/k LOL But in all honesty all using a sample CD is gonna do for the guy writing this post is trick him in to a fals sense of actually being a producer .
Just because you let someone record and process the drumsounds you use doesn't make you any less of a producer.
Xavier Emanuels
14.09.2010		Sample cd's are very handy to have around, i only ever use them for percussion though and even then ill rather use the single hits and build my own loops from them, or slice the loops up to hell and back, then layer them with other single hits or other sliced loops.

I believe what people are getting at here is not to use a sample packs for every single stage of production.
Anushka jayamaha
14.09.2010
Originally Posted by Warwolt
Could work, but for a beginner to go through all that hassel to end up with essentially the same thing? Why? Stuff like that is perhaps something you could start believeing about when the groove-creating skills are good enough to spend that extra time on getting a certain sound, not when you barely can make any grooves at all.
What do you mean hassle? how do you believe people did it before sample packs ?Do you know how much pf a hassle it is when people making bad tracks from sample cds jam up my soundcloud inbox?j/k LOL But in all honesty all using a sample CD is gonna do for the guy writing this post is trick him in to a fals sense of actually being a producer .
Mirta Follweiler
13.09.2010
Originally Posted by darrel855
Sample packs are for suckers . If you're gonna sample find some old vinyl and make your own samples .
Could work, but for a beginner to go through all that hassel to end up with essentially the same thing? Why? Stuff like that is perhaps something you could start believeing about when the groove-creating skills are good enough to spend that extra time on getting a certain sound, not when you barely can make any grooves at all.
Anushka jayamaha
13.09.2010		Sample packs are for suckers . If you're gonna sample find some old vinyl and make your own samples .
Jeff Thiesing
09.09.2010		There's deadmau5 xfer wich as some really cool sounds. and also loopmaster's sample packs ! You might also be interested to get a hand on Stylus RMX
Ninfa Larranaga
06.09.2010		chec out some of the stuff here: http://djcommunity s.com/community s/showthread.php?t=79518
Janey Klahr
06.09.2010		Getting good drum sounds from sample packs is not a bad thing. also you manipulate any sample loops to make it your own and new. I'm not talking about being like steve angello and taking a whole premade loop and doing nothing to it except adding drums and white noise im talking about the little loops like percussion ones and so on.
Efrain Scharr
06.09.2010		get a good VST and make your own sounds please!!!!!

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