Reply to What's your work flow when producing/songwriting with a live drummer?

A friend and I have similar tastes, a similar vision, but we can't get a songwriting and production workflow to get this project off the ground.

Any ideas from the DJ Techtools readership? We've tried a few things, from live "jamming" to having me send little snippets his way to try to work out.

I don't want to be in a situation where I just write the entire track, and he just kind of plays along to it. But having me send loops and ideas isn't helping us flesh things out together, while playing live together with me sound-designing and programming on the spot hasn't been all that productive either.

Thanks for any help--I'd love to hear your ideas.