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Once again: Effects all over the place...?

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Once again: Effects all over the place...? Posted on: 17.09.2008 by casey rascal Hi all As my recent thread on this matter got deleted due to the server problems, I am posting this again. I am running Traktor 3.3.2 and use the VCI-100 SE. So at my latest gig I experienced some issues with the Traktor effects. At the beginning of the set everything was just fine. But as the time progressed and the effects had been used more and more times, they started to offset (drift apart). That is, the effect knobs on the VCI and the equivalent virtual knobs in Traktor went out of sync, aka. they didn
team DonX 14.10.2008	Originally Posted by eangolde ...I plan on checking out his TKs and exploring how those ideas can be integrated soon... As soon as possible, I'll prepare a table with filter/fx buttons settings... I believe this evening or tomorrow... However, the main differences are: - when filter knob is at 12 o'clock amt is 0% - in "fader fx mode" pressing the jog wheel you engage the effect (effect button 1 ON), but amt is 0% and not 100%: I believe this is the right way, otherwise the echo fx will instantly jump up and produce a 1-2 sec silence...
casey rascal 13.10.2008	Originally Posted by eangolde Just a note, technically this is not a bug but exactly the way i designed the filter section. So all you need to do is hit a button to engage and the filter automatically goes to 100% so then the knob will act as a full high or low cut. This makes it easy to use and fast. If you dont want the filter at %100 then yes, modifying the TKS to better suit your needs is a great way to go but the behavior you described is what I was shooting for. ITs also the way pioneer now does their double filter on the DJM Ok, fair enough. I just cant see any advantages over the tks from fcarsana. His tks goes to 100% the moment you move the filter knob, and back to 0% when the knob is at 12 o'clock. This makes the amount knob in Traktor stay at 0% when you hit an effect button, not turning the effect on instantly (as it would if the amount knob was constantly at 100%). The same advantages to the fast filter use applies, but one less (big, imo) dis-advantage.
14.10.2008	Originally Posted by Flaekiface Not exactly. After upgrading to Traktor 3.4.1 I still had the problem with the Filter amount knob always being at 100% (even when the filter knob on the vci was at 12 o'clock). This was the same issue fcarsana had when being in any of the 3 performance modes. Just a note, technically this is not a bug but exactly the way i designed the filter section. So all you need to do is hit a button to engage and the filter automatically goes to 100% so then the knob will act as a full high or low cut. This makes it easy to use and fast. If you dont want the filter at %100 then yes, modifying the TKS to better suit your needs is a great way to go but the behavior you described is what I was shooting for. ITs also the way pioneer now does their double filter on the DJM
team DonX 13.10.2008	Originally Posted by dj_ajay ...can you please specify exactly what changes you made to the TKS and where... Ok, I'll post a little table as soon as possible... Basically I'll copy page 1 values for effect knobs and buttons to pages 2,3 and 4...
team DonX 10.10.2008	Originally Posted by Flaekiface Whats the difference between this one, and the one u posted a couple of days ago? 1) It's derived from 1.4tt tks (the old from 1.3tt) 2) now if you turn the low knob all the way left you NOT engage kill low (you can easely add it, if you want...)
team DonX 09.10.2008	Originally Posted by Flaekiface ...This is why I believe that my problem is a commong bug in your (Eans) tks files... I believe this too... I believe that when the filter knob is in center position it would be better to switch off the filter effect, so the sound isn't filtered at all... And in this way if I engage another effect the amt is already set to 0%. I'll post my 1.4tt version this evening...
casey rascal 08.10.2008	Originally Posted by eangolde So, its safe to assume Flaekiface that after upgrading to the latest version of traktor and our TKS file everything is working as expected? Not exactly. After upgrading to Traktor 3.4.1 I still had the problem with the Filter amount knob always being at 100% (even when the filter knob on the vci was at 12 o'clock). This was the same issue fcarsana had when being in any of the 3 performance modes. The thing thats fixed it for me, is the tks file supplied by fcarsana. This is why I believe that my problem is a commong bug in your (Eans) tks files. I still experience effect problems, but not as long as I remeber the reset the effect/filter knobs after use.
Roger Gomez 15.10.2008	Thanks Fcarsana, I'm gonna have a play with your settings. I'll post some feedback as to if for me, this makes it more userfriendly/intuitive to use.
team DonX 14.10.2008	This is a table that illustrates filter/fx buttons/knobs of my tks.
team DonX 14.10.2008	Originally Posted by eangolde ...I plan on checking out his TKs and exploring how those ideas can be integrated soon... As soon as possible, I'll prepare a table with filter/fx buttons settings... I believe this evening or tomorrow... However, the main differences are: - when filter knob is at 12 o'clock amt is 0% - in "fader fx mode" pressing the jog wheel you engage the effect (effect button 1 ON), but amt is 0% and not 100%: I believe this is the right way, otherwise the echo fx will instantly jump up and produce a 1-2 sec silence...
casey rascal 14.10.2008	That would be fantastic. I just love the way its all comming together on this site
13.10.2008	thats true, I can see how that would be desired. I plan on checking out his TKs and exploring how those ideas can be integrated soon.
casey rascal 13.10.2008	Originally Posted by eangolde Just a note, technically this is not a bug but exactly the way i designed the filter section. So all you need to do is hit a button to engage and the filter automatically goes to 100% so then the knob will act as a full high or low cut. This makes it easy to use and fast. If you dont want the filter at %100 then yes, modifying the TKS to better suit your needs is a great way to go but the behavior you described is what I was shooting for. ITs also the way pioneer now does their double filter on the DJM Ok, fair enough. I just cant see any advantages over the tks from fcarsana. His tks goes to 100% the moment you move the filter knob, and back to 0% when the knob is at 12 o'clock. This makes the amount knob in Traktor stay at 0% when you hit an effect button, not turning the effect on instantly (as it would if the amount knob was constantly at 100%). The same advantages to the fast filter use applies, but one less (big, imo) dis-advantage.
14.10.2008	Originally Posted by Flaekiface Not exactly. After upgrading to Traktor 3.4.1 I still had the problem with the Filter amount knob always being at 100% (even when the filter knob on the vci was at 12 o'clock). This was the same issue fcarsana had when being in any of the 3 performance modes. Just a note, technically this is not a bug but exactly the way i designed the filter section. So all you need to do is hit a button to engage and the filter automatically goes to 100% so then the knob will act as a full high or low cut. This makes it easy to use and fast. If you dont want the filter at %100 then yes, modifying the TKS to better suit your needs is a great way to go but the behavior you described is what I was shooting for. ITs also the way pioneer now does their double filter on the DJM
team DonX 13.10.2008	Originally Posted by dj_ajay ...can you please specify exactly what changes you made to the TKS and where... Ok, I'll post a little table as soon as possible... Basically I'll copy page 1 values for effect knobs and buttons to pages 2,3 and 4...
Roger Gomez 13.10.2008	Hi Guys, I would like to try out this change, however Fcarsana, can you please specify exactly what changes you made to the TKS and where (screenshots would be good),as I have made extensive changes to other TKS settings, and don't want to re-do them. So it would be good if i could just merge yours into mine, if you get what i mean. Cheers, Ajay
team DonX 10.10.2008	Originally Posted by Flaekiface Whats the difference between this one, and the one u posted a couple of days ago? 1) It's derived from 1.4tt tks (the old from 1.3tt) 2) now if you turn the low knob all the way left you NOT engage kill low (you can easely add it, if you want...)
casey rascal 10.10.2008	Whats the difference between this one, and the one u posted a couple of days ago?
team DonX 09.10.2008	Sorry, here it is....
team DonX 09.10.2008	Here it is... my 1.4tt tks without filter/fx "bug"... The other functions are the same as the original 1.4tt tks, except for one in fader fx mode: if you push the jogwheel you engage an fx, but the amt is 0% and not 100%, so to kick in the fx you have to rotate clockwise. In this way , in my opinion, there's much control...
team DonX 09.10.2008	Originally Posted by Flaekiface ...This is why I believe that my problem is a commong bug in your (Eans) tks files... I believe this too... I believe that when the filter knob is in center position it would be better to switch off the filter effect, so the sound isn't filtered at all... And in this way if I engage another effect the amt is already set to 0%. I'll post my 1.4tt version this evening...
casey rascal 08.10.2008	Originally Posted by eangolde So, its safe to assume Flaekiface that after upgrading to the latest version of traktor and our TKS file everything is working as expected? Not exactly. After upgrading to Traktor 3.4.1 I still had the problem with the Filter amount knob always being at 100% (even when the filter knob on the vci was at 12 o'clock). This was the same issue fcarsana had when being in any of the 3 performance modes. The thing thats fixed it for me, is the tks file supplied by fcarsana. This is why I believe that my problem is a commong bug in your (Eans) tks files. I still experience effect problems, but not as long as I remeber the reset the effect/filter knobs after use.
08.10.2008	So, its safe to assume Flaekiface that after upgrading to the latest version of traktor and our TKS file everything is working as expected?
team DonX 07.10.2008	Originally Posted by Flaekiface I now this one, but its a really sorry solution. Failing/forgetting to do this precedure, and you will most likely have a sound-drop-out, wich I am not prepared to live with. Me too! So I'll try to use Bome's to at least light on the led relative to the engaged effect... (http://www.djranking s.com/community /showthread.php?t=1157) ... but I've never used Bome's... I believe it takes me a lot...
casey rascal 07.10.2008	Originally Posted by fcarsana But in this case, in my opinion, there's a bug in tks 1.3tt (in midi pages 2,3 and 4)... And in my case the bug (with the filter amount knob not returning to 0% when the freq-knob on the vci was at 12 o'clock) was not only there in the performance modes, but always. That was the SE 1.2-tks.
Riccardo gava 07.10.2008	...and also (effect dependent) it doesn't matter how fast you slam that knob back to zero - you're gona get an unwanted glitch of somekind
casey rascal 07.10.2008	Originally Posted by lullabybeatz here is my solution hit the effect engage button first then quickly turn the fx amt knob slightly up than return to zero no drop out and the fx is ready to go..... I know this one, but its a really sorry solution. Failing/forgetting to do this precedure, and you will most likely have a sound-drop-out, wich I am not prepared to live with.
Riccardo gava 07.10.2008	I'm looking forward to trying this out when I get home...
team DonX 07.10.2008	Originally Posted by lullabybeatz here is my solution hit the effect engage button first then quickly turn the fx amt knob slightly up than return to zero no drop out and the fx is ready to go..... Yes this is the right procedure, and we always use it in order to avoid problems... But in this case, in my opinion, there's a bug in tks 1.3tt (in midi pages 2,3 and 4)... Try this: 1) in normal mode push deck A filter button and move its knob, than move it in the center position (amt 0%) 2) engage deck c mode 3) push for example echo fx button for deck A and move its knob and then restore fx amt to 0% 4) (always in deck c mode) press deck A filter button: the amt is not 0% but will jump to 100%... 5) now if you push for example echo button for deck A amt remains at 100% and the echo jumps in.... And there's a 1 sec of silence... I hope you understand.... With my tks I have fixed this wrong behavior... I hope :P
jesus gomez 07.10.2008	Originally Posted by rjw I find that quite often too, example, I'll do some filterstuff - then when I hit the beat repeat button to switch to that effect, it'll engage the effect! by which I mean the mix setting is not at 0% - leading to a drop out in sound. The problem with this is that I can't solve it by turning down the mix/frz knob down to 0% before hitting the FX button as it moves the filter! Kinda hard to explain here is my solution hit the effect engage button first then quickly turn the fx amt knob slightly up than return to zero no drop out and the fx is ready to go.....
casey rascal 07.10.2008	Originally Posted by fcarsana I'm very happy that it works! The only thing i've added is the kill low feature when you turn the low knob all the way to the left for all the decks... If you want you can easily delete it... Check also if jog wheel fx works when fx mode is engaged, because I haven't checked yet... P.S. I've also delete some lines that was not mapped to any notes and so were useless... Cool with the low kill feature. I like... The Jog wheel fx seems to work, at least I believe it works (not really a faeture I normally use). And now I got the jogs set how I am used to and like them, and I got my own small details from my old tks incorporated in to this new one. So all is good for now
team DonX 07.10.2008	Originally Posted by Flaekiface But tell me, have you touched anything else in the tks file other than the effect fix. I would just hate to run into any unpleasent surprises I'm very happy that it works! The only thing i've added is the kill low feature when you turn the low knob all the way to the left for all the decks... If you want you can easily delete it... Check also if jog wheel fx works when fx mode is engaged, because I haven't checked yet... P.S. I've also delete some lines that were not mapped to any notes and so were useless...
casey rascal 07.10.2008	Originally Posted by fcarsana I've worked hard for about 4 hours and I believe I've solved the problem! This tks is derived from tks 1.3TT, I've only added some notes on effect button 1 and effect knob 1... Tell me if it works for you! Woooha! This has fixed the problem for me! Also works in all the performance modes. Fantastic work fcarsana, thank you very much. The reason why this works is that it resets the amount knob to 0% whenever the filter knob is at 12 o'clock. This means that engaging an effect efter using the filter, dosent turn the effect on, since the amount knob is kept a 0%. This must be a genral bug-fix, that needs to be incoorporated in the official tks files, imo. But tell me, have you touched anything else in the tks file other than the effect fix. I would just hate to run into any unpleasent surprises Now I just need to get the outside of the jogs to work like they do in the 1.2 tks.
team DonX 06.10.2008	I've worked hard for about 4 hours and I believe I've solved the problem! This tks is derived from tks 1.3TT, I've only added some notes on effect button 1 and effect knob 1... Tell me if it works for you!
Riccardo gava 06.10.2008	Originally Posted by Flaekiface hitting an effect after the filter, turns on the effect I find that quite often too, example, I'll do some filterstuff - then when I hit the beat repeat button to switch to that effect, it'll engage the effect! by which I mean the mix setting is not at 0% - leading to a drop out in sound. The problem with this is that I can't solve it by turning down the mix/frz knob down to 0% before hitting the FX button as it moves the filter! Kinda hard to explain
team DonX 06.10.2008	Originally Posted by Flaekiface Thanks for the input. What you experience in deck C mode... Not only in deck c mode, but in all performance modes.... I'll try to investigate...
casey rascal 06.10.2008	Originally Posted by fcarsana at startup all works great, the filter button sets filter with correct parameters values: when filter knob is in center position amt is 0% and when I move that knob amt changes to 100% and engages filter moving its parameters. If, for example, now I push effect echo button the amt for echo is 0% and when I move its knobs I engage echo fx. - If I engage deck c mode and I press filter button, the amt isn't 0% as before when the filter knob is in center position but it remains always at 100%... Now if I push one of the other effects buttons, for example echo, the amt remains at 100% and echo starts immediately... Thanks for the input. What you experience in deck C mode, I experience all the time - filter amount knob is always 100% in my setup, which i my case means that hitting an effect after the filter, turns on the effect emidiatly.
team DonX 06.10.2008	I don't know if this helps, but this is what I've discovered using tks v1.3 TT-Style: - at startup all works great, the filter button sets filter with correct parameters values: when filter knob is in center position amt is 0% and when I move that knob amt changes to 100% and engages filter moving its parameters. If, for example, now I push effect echo button the amt for echo is 0% and when I move its knobs I engage echo fx. - If I engage deck c mode and I press filter button, the amt isn't 0% as before when the filter knob is in center position but it remains always at 100%... Now if I push one of the other effects buttons, for example echo, the amt remains at 100% and echo starts immediately... So, I believe it's a tks problem: it seems that the page#2 of tks isn't configured properly... I'll try to check this evening... I hope you understand... P.S. I use the correct procedure to engage effects and filters: 1) push button 2) move knobs 3) move amt knob to 0% 4) push another fx button... and so on...
casey rascal 06.10.2008	So alot of posts in this thread got deletet. I will try again. I have updated to Traktor 3.4.1 and am still having problems with the effects. I discoverede that engaging an effect (pushing the effect button) after using the filter, sometimes turns the effect "on" and sometimes you need to activate the amount knob to turn it "on". Does this happen to any of you guys??? I use the VCI-100SE_Ean_Golden1_2.tks
26.09.2008	Originally Posted by Flaekiface Please correct me if I'm wrong: So hitting the filter button or any other effect button should never actually turn the effect/filter on, before any knobs are touched, right? Hitting an effect/filter button should always set the amt. knob to 0% (no matter the actual possition of the matching hardware knob), right? in the case of the filter, yes- the knob turns it to 100% and turns the effect on. so all you have to do is hit the button to select the effect and reset the parameters and then work with the frequency knob.

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Once again: Effects all over the place...?