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VCI-100SE TSI Beta 1_6 Feedback
Posted on: 22.01.2009 by
We are getting very close to a final TSI for Traktor Pro and the VCI-100. After the next version we will create some new overlays- so get your feedback, requests and ideas in now.

To get this TSI sign up for the BETA list:
http://djranking s.list-manage.com/s...&id=2ab1e09f34

Here is a list of the new features:

Deck C is now a performance FX section for slots one and two so no scrolling is needed.

  • * The knobs work the same way as in previous versions of the TSi and as labeled on the overlay
  • * fx slot one on the left and fx slot 2 on the right
  • * wet dry control on the left knob and one super knob that controls 2 FX parameters on the right knob
  • * underneath the FX parameter you can quickly punch both FX in or out with the button
  • * The button under mix/frz will work as a fx preset loading in the future but will require some custom firmware upgrades for it to work as desired. right now it has no function

Filter A and B buttons are now sampler enable buttons.

  • * These enable a beatmasher in chained or advanced fx mode and grab a 4 count loop of the currently effected deck.
  • * This is a new concept I will be introducing in the coming weeks through some demonstration videos. its for kid byond style layering.
  • deck C and fader FX buttons are now for switching between advanced and grouped fx for each of the 2 slots.
  • * the LEDS do not display that status though because this will again require a firmware update.

Deck C/D juggle mode

* turn on deck C and juggle and now you can cue point juggle on C and D!

Soft Take Over on the deck volumes is removed
SYNC has been changed to toggle on all decks
Stefan Kosier
28.01.2009
man, i just ordered the overlay like two weeks ago and *now* they go on sale?

bum deal. anyone wanna sell me their firmware updater?
Maricruz Rajo
28.01.2009
been using the new tsi, quite impressed i must say

one thing though, when i turn the wet/dry (1st knob) effect knob all the way to the end, it turns the first effect parameter button led on, even though the effect hasn't been turned on, which means i have to go click it off an on again with my mouse in traktor

anyone else see this happening?
Kathe Lefcourt
27.01.2009
Yea I am definitely looking forward to the new overlays. Hopefully you'll have some more firmware upgrade kits in around that time too so I can kill two birds with one stone?
Suzanna Paddock
27.01.2009
Hey,

Have used the new TSI a little bit (I'm still using 1.2 fware, waiting for the fware upgrade kit to be available).

Love: the 4 decks, sync, the new effects layout (what little works in 1.2)

Miss: Using the jog wheel to browse in browser only mode.

While we're at it, is there a way to use the Deck B jog to preview & scrub through a song in the collection. I'm believeing touch[hold]=preview highlighted song, scratch=move fwd/back in track. Because let's face it, I won't be doing any scratching on the decks while browsing...

Also, I would really love a creamy white overlay with 'high contrast' black lettering and red accent lettering (same red as the vestax logo & the 'black knobs' line). The black ones look SO heavy metal

Cheers from Canada!
casey rascal
27.01.2009
Originally Posted by burndownthediscos
I can deck copy, however the deck doesn't automatically play in sync with the deck it was copied from.
+1
Tom Werz
27.01.2009
Originally Posted by midifidler
Deck copy works fine on my macbook running legit 1.02, but does not work on my pc running a cracked 1.02 on vista
Are you talking about deck copy autoplay in sync works for you ? I can deck copy, however the deck doesn't automatically play in sync with the deck it was copied from.

If we can fix this I believe this tsi is near perfect.
casey rascal
27.01.2009
Originally Posted by Zac Kyoti
Flaekiface - you've downloaded my tsi, did you give the deck copy autoplay a shot?
Hey Zac

Yes I tried the deck copy function in your tsi, and the deck copy function (with the extra button push) works just fine. So that would be something i would implement in the 1.6, if Eans solution wont work.

It is quit strange that this function works for some of us (Ean) and not others.
Sasha Alexander
27.01.2009
Originally Posted by gfocus
What works for me is to set the "load track only into stopped deck" option somewhere in traktors preferences (don't know if it's actually called that way, @work atm). Therefore I can hit the load button to toggle the browser view w/o actually loading the song. And I like how this added security layer prevents screwing stuff up.
I figured out yesterday that this setting won't let you deckcopy in sync because the target deck has to be playing...
Aprizal Rustarmadi
27.01.2009
Originally Posted by midifidler
Deck copy works fine on my macbook running legit 1.02, but does not work on my pc running a cracked 1.02 on vista
deck copy doesnt work on my macbook running a legit tpro1.02 with firmware 1.3. it used to work with t3 but hasnt since the move to tpro.
Adolf Hit
26.01.2009
Deck copy works fine on my macbook running legit 1.02, but does not work on my pc running a cracked 1.02 on vista
mohammed farhan
26.01.2009
Hmm I agree sometimes I dont want to load a song into a deck but I just want to browse. Is it possible to switch the deck copy button into preview or un-browse mode by just pressing it when its in browsing mode.

Those loop buttons above the deck could probably be use for something else, personally, it seems redundant to have two loop buttons, even if they work a bit different.

When your loading a effect thru the controller is it possible to show the entire list when were selecting the fx, it will give us a better orientation when selecting effects.

I would love to get metal overlays instead of wraps. Please give us that option!!

Please have a solution for the fx lights, im loving the new setup.

26.01.2009
Originally Posted by Davemex
Ean,

One thing I noticed (and I don't know if this is just a 1.2 firmware issue) is that the ability to use channel D loop select to toggle the browser fullscreen mode so that we can use the left jog wheel to scroll through tracks has been removed in the 1-6 TSI file.
I might find a way to get this done but right now the jog wheels have 3 states and there is a maximum of 2 modifiers per control. So, I would need to find a way to get it done plus there must be a different button that engages that control as the 4th deck control button will be used by something else.

Originally Posted by Flaekiface
And what happened to the deck copy function?
yeah- I will integrate that into the final one.

Originally Posted by tonitoni
when activate the fader fx knob, the led of fader button don't light up, the function works but don't see if is activated or not, by the rest is all fantastic, thankyou again.
that led was disabled and now switches between advanced and chained fx modes.

Originally Posted by Lovebump
I'm looking forward to the final TSI and the new overlay to go with it... is there any chance that the Sync button can be made to do what it used to... as in Sync completely.
I thought I changed SYNC to toggle on this one- so now its on unless you turn it off again.

Originally Posted by psycatron
One thing i woudl ask though, if possible can we get a temporary overlay to reflect the new changes in the effects section? Just something to scale that i can print out and stick on until you complete the final vrsion.
I reccomend buying the silver Overlay in the webstore and just cutting out parts of it to overlay and re-label the new stuff.

Originally Posted by blancodisco
Found one small bug. I was able to fix locally on my own luckily enough.

Problem.
When Deck C knob is activated for control of decks C and D. when you click on the 'Key Lock' button for Deck B... the event turns on Deck B's key on/off, not Deck's D's as expect in this mode.

Soft take over on channel volumes when going between decks A+B and C+D would be awesome if you can make it happen.

Build in the ability to actually have a newly loaded Track, Cue load to your Load Marker without having to hit Cue/Pause button.
thanks for that bug find- soft take over was tried on the last one and it was a real pain in the ass so it got removed

in terms of loading there is a preference in traktor you want to set.

Originally Posted by blancodisco
Is there a way to escape of track browse mode (up / down buttons) if I didn't actually load a track?
there is no free button to enable that- unless someone else can believe of an idea?

Originally Posted by Zac Kyoti
It's not a bug, but part of the current TPro architecture. Don't ask me why they took out the deck copy autoplay, I'm just under the impression that it wasn't compatible with the first build of TPro.
i really need to deck with the traktor developers because i swear to god deck copy auto play works perfectly for me - no idea why some people are having a different experience. There must be a setting somewhere.
Reece Murray
26.01.2009
I've been trying to gfet the deck copy autoplay function to work for a month or so now with no joy. I've abandoned all hope as i believe its a bug within traktor.
Check out this thread:http://djranking s.com/community /showthread.php?t=2977
DJ Pablo
26.01.2009
Tried the new 1.6.
Nice handling on the effects now.
The other assignments I did not check properly,because they are different in my vci-mod
If a new firmware version completes the final issues;
Led,14bitmidi?,etc
Then it's steady as a rock!!
looking forward to it

26.01.2009
Good Point.. I actually already have the Preferences set that.. way.. just didn't bother to hit 'Load Track' button. Thanks. I can be a dumbass sometimes.
Karl Forde
26.01.2009
Originally Posted by gfocus
What works for me is to set the "load track only into stopped deck" option somewhere in traktors preferences (don't know if it's actually called that way, @work atm). Therefore I can hit the load button to toggle the browser view w/o actually loading the song. And I like how this added security layer prevents screwing stuff up.
Agreed. In a live scenario, it's the only way to play.

This is from (bad) experience. I've hit the load into the wrong deck just as a big tune was due to drop. I got boooed hard.

Don't let it happen to you!
Sasha Alexander
26.01.2009
What works for me is to set the "load track only into stopped deck" option somewhere in traktors preferences (don't know if it's actually called that way, @work atm). Therefore I can hit the load button to toggle the browser view w/o actually loading the song. And I like how this added security layer prevents screwing stuff up.

26.01.2009
Is there a way to escape of track browse mode (up / down buttons) if I didn't actually load a track?

Sometimes, I'll be searching for a few tunes down in the mix, but don't want to commit to anything yet..... would love to be able to to this on the VCI-100, because currently, I'll have to use a keyboard command to change my view.

25.01.2009
Found one small bug. I was able to fix locally on my own luckily enough.

Problem.
When Deck C knob is activated for control of decks C and D. when you click on the 'Key Lock' button for Deck B... the event turns on Deck B's key on/off, not Deck's D's as expect in this mode.

Solution. (in preferences > midi settings)
Duplicated 'Key Lock' for Deck B.. assign to Deck D for both Trigger/Output and M=3 in the second modifier column. In Deck B for both Trigger/Output events assign Second Modifier M=0 so it replicates style found for Decks A and C.


Would be nice to be able to page up / down somehow in Track Browse Mode.
Also be cool to Preview tracks in the Preview player. on / off too.

Soft take over on channel volumes when going between decks A+B and C+D would be awesome if you can make it happen.

Build in the ability to actually have a newly loaded Track, Cue load to your Load Marker without having to hit Cue/Pause button.
adam dod
25.01.2009
Hi Ean, I love pretty much everything that you did in this tsi, and the jump from 1.4 and 1.6 is huge. You did it again! Thanks for the hard work. The switch between the group fx and the advance efx is absolutely great, with the freeze button works as use to in T3. The efx bank 1+2 felt off for me initially but if the right efx used in the correct order then it can work well. It seems as some of the bugs like efx is on when returning from advance efx and deck copy/play, as well as Led bugs are Traktor bugs. I experimented with adding a key knob (to adjust the key) and I used the Monitor Cue level (that used for the headphones) while holding deck A Deck B and Deck C (Loop shorten buttons-top left) as modifiers to control the key adjustment for deck A B and C. For deck D I used the headphone mix level with deck C (Loop/shorten button) as modifier. This is not an Ideal solution but seems to work for me. As far as overlays, is any chance for overlays that will work better for the arcade vci's?
Karl Forde
25.01.2009
Would love some beat jump control.

Also, A "Page Up / Down" browser scroll would be a great addition for navigating your music collection quicker. Currently, if examining a large playlist or entire collection, browsing with just the buttons is a bit slow
Dorthey Passley
24.01.2009
haven't had a chance to properly go into depth on this, but i'm loving the four deck control now plus the library browse makes great sense. One thing i woudl ask though, if possible can we get a temporary overlay to reflect the new changes in the effects section? Just something to scale that i can print out and stick on until you complete the final vrsion.
Marybeth Sansbury
25.01.2009
Im really looking forward to your video concerning the new sample button/ beatmasher.
I've been fooling around with the beatmasher, using it as a sampler, taking bits of songs playing them in sync with the next track. It's absolutely awesome. Tweaking the rotation, gate and length is realy quite melodic. It just sounds great
The only probs i've had so far is:
When switching effectes in advanced mode, the effects turn on and of as i flip though them
In fx bank 1 turning the dry wet knob to 100% turns on effect 1, in bank 2 it does not.
Nam Hasik
24.01.2009
I'm looking forward to the final TSI and the new overlay to go with it... is there any chance that the Sync button can be made to do what it used to... as in Sync completely.

I know some people may say this is cheating, but about 3 hours into a set it's very nice to be able to just hit Sync once in a while. Any chance Ean?

Thanks.
Zandra Fonoti
23.01.2009
when activate the fader fx knob, the led of fader button don't light up, the function works but don't see if is activated or not, by the rest is all fantastic, thankyou again.
Rosalva Phaneuf
23.01.2009
Ean,

I like the concept behind the new mapping so far, it just sucked having to reset my learning curve to relearn the FX all over again.


Problems I've noticed so far:

Why do the volume sliders control the same functions as the jog wheels in FX mode, unlike previous versions where the Volume, Jog wheel, and Pitch control all controlled different knobs in the combo FX functions?

When switching between FX modes with the Deck C and Fader buttons in the Performance mode section, you should make it that the knobs reset positions to "off" when switching. Whenever i switch, unless i previously turned off the FX manually, the effect will activate immediatly instead of when I need it to.
Is there a way to have the FX turn off when switching?
Tom Werz
23.01.2009
Originally Posted by Flaekiface
Really? No browser mode on "loop deck B" button? That would be very very sad!

And what happened to the deck copy function? I remeber a thread where a working solution was posted (didnt Ean make a contest about who could come op with a solution?)
I've been trying to gfet the deck copy autoplay function to work for a month or so now with no joy. I've abandoned all hope as i believe its a bug within traktor.
casey rascal
23.01.2009
Really? No browser mode on "loop deck B" button? That would be very very sad!

And what happened to the deck copy function? I remeber a thread where a working solution was posted (didnt Ean make a contest about who could come op with a solution?)
Rochell Ulvestad
23.01.2009
i'm pretty sure that feature has been removed since the last 2 versions.
I did enjoy it to but i remember him posting it's not possible to have since the jogwheels are assigned differently now
Kathe Lefcourt
22.01.2009
Ean,

One thing I noticed (and I don't know if this is just a 1.2 firmware issue) is that the ability to use channel D loop select to toggle the browser fullscreen mode so that we can use the left jog wheel to scroll through tracks has been removed in the 1-6 TSI file. Was this done on purpose and are there any plans to re-introduce that feature in a later build of the TSI file? This was def. one of my favorite features for trying to browse an extensive play list!

Thanks!

Dave

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