My face when the experienced DJ's levels are in the RED
My face when the experienced DJ's levels are in the RED Posted on: 29.06.2012 by Nereida Jasnoch So there I was front row with clear view of the mixer, wich was masterfully manipulated by an experienced DJ and producer, and I noticed that he was playing in the red, not just a little and occasionally but he was full on blasting till the top. Then a few other things hit me, it's 3 in the morning for god 's sake, were they clipping all evening ? And why would you boost the eq's (the knobs were at 3 o clock or so) if you're already clipping ? Why does this still happen ? And why does nobody even give a damn ? There were other DJs and organizers in the booth as well and they didn't seem to care. It's a damn shame. ლ(ಠ_ಠლ) | |
| Nikole Resende 03.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by kooper1980
I'd like to correct you If the mixer is clipping there is not much even the best soundguy can do... All he can do is lower the volume, either at a later gain stage or by employing a limiter. Which both won't help to save the speaker from the clipped signal... The thing is: there are two ways to destroy a speaker - physical and electric. Physical destruction of a speaker happens when you feed a speaker with a signal that is too loud, i.e. the membrane of the speaker can't take the amplitude of the signal as it is too big. This is what can be prevented by a soundguy by lowering the volume of the signal after the mixer. Electric destruction happens when you feed a speaker with a clipped signal. Speakers are not designed to deal with clipped signals, so they will eventually get destroyed. In fact, the danger of electric destruction is much higher than the danger of electric destruction, which is also why you always chose an amp that has more power than the speakers can nominally take (about 25% more power usually), simply because it is way more dangerous for the speakers if the amp is clipping compared to if the amp is sending out a signal that is slightly too loud for the speakers. Btw.: the same should be true for clipping channel meters... if there is actual clipping happening in an individual channel, the signal will be compromised - you just can't 'unclip' a signal. The argument that clipping is "ok" on induvidual channels is only true for DAWs, that (due to oversampling) have almost unlimited internal headroom so in the end you're fine as long as you don't clip the master (which still doesn't mean you sould clip your channels in your DAW.. ). There is only one feasible solution here: avoid clipping at all points in the signal chain. Once you clip, you'll never be able to fix that at a later point. |
| Romelia Stankard 03.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by djproben
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| Claude Koveleski 03.07.2012 | If it was my rig he was playing through he would have got a gentle reminder to stay out of the red and then if the kindness was ignored the stage power would be switched off. Have done it plenty of times. I've gained a reputation as a bit of a cunt but the word travels quick and I don't have any issues anymore with square waving DJ mixers |
| Danae Dumler 03.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
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| Emanuel Kepics 03.07.2012 | I see it all the time ... and often from guys so proud of their old school skills, running in the red all evening long. Very clever ... |
| Latoria Kavulich 03.07.2012 | |
| Random X 03.07.2012 | Hahahahahaha! Can't even find a picture that would do justice! |
| Latoria Kavulich 03.07.2012 | "giant" stonehenge for the win |
| Random X 03.07.2012 | @JesC You can go through clipping anytime. |
| Daniell Kosharek 03.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by MyUsername
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| Lela Umanskaya 02.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by rgtb
I once had the tour manager for a grammy winning hip hop artist asking me why the everything was so distorted, I PFL'ed the DJ mixer on my console and handed him a set of cans. He walked up to the stage, the output from the mixer came down, I made up for it at my console and we almost knocked the venue down with bass. Don't clip your mixers kiddies. |
| Georgina Schatzman 02.07.2012 | It's simple gain staging, and some people don't understand it. I don't know how many DJs I've seen with their levels all in the red who have been doing this for 10 plus years. If it's supposed to be louder, then the engineer will turn it up FFS! |
| Cristian Carmona 02.07.2012 | thats why i play hardcore, distored kick drums, snares, hats, synths & vocals. |
| Random X 02.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by padi_04
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
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| Random X 02.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by MyUsername
(Same goes for EQs beyond 12 o'clock. )
Originally Posted by Jester.NZ
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| Romelia Stankard 02.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by padi_04
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| Nereida Jasnoch 02.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by chicomodo
OVERKILL It's strange that after 2 decades of experience they don't know why the flashy green/red thingymajig is there. Sad to see that .WAV goodness do to waste. |
| Daniell Kosharek 02.07.2012 | Same here. Played at a traditional club here and played with two DJ's. The most famous one plays for 20 years and is the resident of the club. The other one plays for 18 years. Awesome song selection. Both stopped playing, approached my S4 and saw the 800 with the Master blasting reds. Edited pic. Don't know if anyone from my town enters here, and he is one of the best around here. BUT WHYY??????? I'm in blue, all serious. |
| Nedra Fresneda 03.07.2012 | |
| Elmer Kindinger 03.07.2012 | I've just seen a picture uploaded on Facebook by one of the biggest clubs around here of a DJ running a DJM 900 in the reds. The excuse was "it's ok because the club can handle it"... |
| Nereida Jasnoch 01.07.2012 | OP here, kinda forgot about this. FYI: The master was clipping, just about everything that could clip was in fact clipping. And there was a single dude in the sound engineer booth, but he looked 17 so I'm not sure if he did anything at all. |
| Cristian Carmona 30.06.2012 | This is the so called top DJ in the scene I used to play in. ImageUploadedByTapatalk1341042795.127276.jpg |
| Romelia Stankard 30.06.2012 | Doesn't matter- if they are clipping at the mixer it will still sound like crap and that signal is already distorted and clipped and can't get fixed by the sound guy. |
| Kristofer Krauel 30.06.2012 | I agree with Jester, so long as the master is all good. Correct me if I'm wrong but the sound engineer will protect the sound system. Not saying its right cos it isn't but the speakers won't be in danger because all good venues employ a sound guy to make sure idiot DJ's don't ruin the system with their blazing hot outputs. |
| Romelia Stankard 30.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by DJ JesC
I've seen really great DJs and producers run them like this with subs sounding like they are dying- you would believe if someone is a producer who supposedly knows enough about mixing and production to release great tracks they would know not to clip DJ mixers and believe the rules all of the sudden don't apply. too many people believe this is the only way to run a DJM Acceptable running hot would be peaking in the high yellows and maybe a little flicker of single reds now and then but not constant double reds. |
| Latoria Kavulich 29.06.2012 | long as the master aint clipping, all good |
| Nereida Jasnoch 29.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by DJ JesC
The booth was held up by oil barrels, the venue isn't exactly rich. |
| Nereida Jasnoch 29.06.2012 | It was a dubstep evening
at an underground but prestigious venue in Leuven, Belgium. When I noticed it Trom was playing. Here's the timetable so you can see who else probably didn't realize how expensive it is to replace broken speakers: ♫ TIMETABLE ♫ - 21-22u : Oowkey - 22-23u : Owbey B2B Snor - 23-00u : Subtitled - 00-01u : Pheral - 01-02u : Frontline. - 02-04u : Trom b2b Guandan - 04-05u : Tan-G http://soundcloud.com/tromstep Not what you would call a rookie. |
| Cristian Carmona 29.06.2012 | cause the Pio mixers are made to run hot? |
| Buena Roth 29.06.2012 | Who were they? That's really odd as this is one of the basics of djing! |
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