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Apple MacBook 13.3" vs Ultrabook
Posted on: 16.05.2013 by Avis Lekic
What would be better?

Dorie Scelzo
21.05.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Unibeast.

http://www.tonymacx86.com/61-unibeas...-based-pc.html
The word ultrabook does not appear on that page.

Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50
OSX is so much more locked up compared to Windows... Please tell me in what way OSX gives you more freedom than Windows.

There's so much less to fuck up on a Mac.
A lot of the configuration is in flat text files. /bin/bash is just better than PowerShell. It runs better server software. It has package managers available. It actually has good firewall software that doesn't constantly nag you. You can turn off things that most people believe are core os features.

The big difference is that people don't screw up OS X as badly as they do Windows because you have to actually have a clue what you're doing on OS X.


Anyway...back to the OP. If that company isn't a no-name and is actually respected in the UK, I believe it's a question of preference. The ultrabook is a much better computer when it comes to hardware, but you wouldn't be believeing about the Apple unless you wanted (or wanted to try) OS X. How much are the refurbished MBPs in the UK? I know things like that tend to be a lot more expensive across the pond, but it might be worth asking.
Shawn Vanhaitsma
21.05.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
And you'd be very, very wrong.

I've been on the OSX86 train since day #1; technically before that, as I used to run Rhapsody DR2. Considering how Ultrabooks - by their very status as a consistent hardware platform defined by Intel - are all i3/i5s with HD3000/HD4000 GPUs (plus an additional discrete GPU in some models), it pretty much guarantees flawless OS X support, given how all of the key items in the platform are supported by the OS X kernel.
Intel simply "said" this is what they define a ultra book as.. Intel has no DESIGNATION over the name. The ONLY standards that apply as "Defined" by intel, as the size (.9 inches or smaller), USB standard (3.0), hibernate reawake, and a minimum 80gb high speed flash rom drive.

No other hardware standards define an ultrabook, and never have.. never will.

Lastly to say OSX isnt very tweak able, I stopped listening to anything technical related you now say :P Audio maybe, but when you try and tell people you can't tweak the most open ended operating system on earth, thats just funny. When I use to own my dual G5, it was a pure Unix based webserver, development platform, with a modified kernel. Drivers and PCI express controllers were also hacked to allow for a non Apple approved video card at the time (the version of OSX is now blanking on me, I believe it was the first cat iteration..). (6800 BFG)

OSX doesnt break, because the sample size that uses OSX vs Windows is .... out there. In no way do malicious people intend to develop symptoms for machines that only 2 percent of the technical population uses. But when they do, its just as easy to disable a OSX machine as much as a Windows machine. In some cases alot easier, especially remotely.
Doreen Schurle
20.05.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
What about all the other devices in the laptop? Keyboard, trackpad, webcam, bluetooth, Wifi, onboard sound?
Keyboard and trackpads both adhere to HID standards, as do webcams (USB Video Capture); bluetooth and Wifi are a bit trickier, but both tend to use Atheros chipsets these days which are supported by OS X. Sound is usually Realtek or C-Media, both of which are supported. Ultrabooks - like Centrino laptops a few years ago - are some of the best supported machines on OSx86 installs.

As for IE10/IE in general, yes. 60% marketshare.
Danae Dumler
20.05.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Agreed. Although the fact it's now integrated into IE10 (and can therefore be bug-checked specifically by Microsoft rather than Adobe's infinite number of monkeys) it's a LOT more stable.
(1) There's an IE 10? (2) People still use IE?
Doreen Schurle
20.05.2013
Originally Posted by mostapha
Please don't make claims like that if you don't know what you're talking about. I have built a hackintosh. I know what's involved. I'd hazard to say that's more than you've done, and I wouldn't venture to make that claim without knowing a lot more about what hardware is in the Ultrabook the OP is talking about.
And you'd be very, very wrong.

I've been on the OSX86 train since day #1; technically before that, as I used to run Rhapsody DR2. Considering how Ultrabooks - by their very status as a consistent hardware platform defined by Intel - are all i3/i5s with HD3000/HD4000 GPUs (plus an additional discrete GPU in some models), it pretty much guarantees flawless OS X support, given how all of the key items in the platform are supported by the OS X kernel.
Dorie Scelzo
20.05.2013		Once again, it's down to personal preference.

I might be the weirdest person ever. I actually really like the changes to windows 8. I still don't use it because PowerShell just isn't as good as bash or zsh and that in my world there just isn't software as good for Windows as there is for Linux or OS X.

Originally Posted by mdcdesign
The Ultrabook will absolutely ANNIHILATE the MacBook. Plus, if you're really set on using OS X (fuck knows why you would be) you can always install it on the Ultrabook.
Please don't make claims like that if you don't know what you're talking about. I have built a hackintosh. I know what's involved. I'd hazard to say that's more than you've done, and I wouldn't venture to make that claim without knowing a lot more about what hardware is in the Ultrabook the OP is talking about.

Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50
OSX is more stable because it can't be tweaked anywhere near as much as Windows.
You have literally no idea what you're talking about if you make that claim.
Shawn Vanhaitsma
20.05.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Agreed. Although the fact it's now integrated into IE10 (and can therefore be bug-checked specifically by Microsoft rather than Adobe's infinite number of monkeys) it's a LOT more stable.
Its only in IE10 for legacy support, as many sites will slowly abandon Flash as it is a worthless piece of poo. HTML5/CSS2/3 and Java take away the need for that horrible platform.

Also just because microsoft integrated the flash player, it is still an adobe creation and product, made by those same adobe monkeys... Microsoft didnt reinvent the Flash codex/swf file system ::shrug:: Just saying
Doreen Schurle
18.05.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
And Flash just plain sucks on every platform. I get crashes all the time from flash-based videos regardless of what OS I'm running.
Agreed. Although the fact it's now integrated into IE10 (and can therefore be bug-checked specifically by Microsoft rather than Adobe's infinite number of monkeys) it's a LOT more stable.
Alphonso Deitchman
18.05.2013		The difference between Core Audio and WASAPI/ASIO has nothing to do with how "tweakable" Windows is. Having native support for low latency audio without the need for 3rd party drivers is a huge advantage. Having native support for aggregated sound cards without the need for 3rd party software is a huge advantage.

If you can present an equal machine to the Air, Retina Macbook, iMac, or Mac Mini at a significantly lower price, only then can you argue whether or not they are overpriced.

Comparing a brand new custom made desktop to a 3 year old Mac Pro is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Specifically an MB061B/A (actually an 80GB HDD, not 800; typo on the listing/this post).

Seems pretty obvious to me that
Alphonso Deitchman
22.05.2013		You can stick a Sandy Bridge processor to a motherboard and get something more powerful than a C2D for <$100. That doesn't mean it's a good idea.
Cora Younginer
22.05.2013		Threads making my head hurt. Yes, buy the antique Mac with the Core 2 Duo and not the i5 (Even if it's Sandy Bridge). That makes perfect sense...
Dorie Scelzo
21.05.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Unibeast.

http://www.tonymacx86.com/61-unibeas...-based-pc.html
The word ultrabook does not appear on that page.

Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50
OSX is so much more locked up compared to Windows... Please tell me in what way OSX gives you more freedom than Windows.

There's so much less to fuck up on a Mac.
A lot of the configuration is in flat text files. /bin/bash is just better than PowerShell. It runs better server software. It has package managers available. It actually has good firewall software that doesn't constantly nag you. You can turn off things that most people believe are core os features.

The big difference is that people don't screw up OS X as badly as they do Windows because you have to actually have a clue what you're doing on OS X.


Anyway...back to the OP. If that company isn't a no-name and is actually respected in the UK, I believe it's a question of preference. The ultrabook is a much better computer when it comes to hardware, but you wouldn't be believeing about the Apple unless you wanted (or wanted to try) OS X. How much are the refurbished MBPs in the UK? I know things like that tend to be a lot more expensive across the pond, but it might be worth asking.
Shawn Vanhaitsma
21.05.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
And you'd be very, very wrong.

I've been on the OSX86 train since day #1; technically before that, as I used to run Rhapsody DR2. Considering how Ultrabooks - by their very status as a consistent hardware platform defined by Intel - are all i3/i5s with HD3000/HD4000 GPUs (plus an additional discrete GPU in some models), it pretty much guarantees flawless OS X support, given how all of the key items in the platform are supported by the OS X kernel.
Intel simply "said" this is what they define a ultra book as.. Intel has no DESIGNATION over the name. The ONLY standards that apply as "Defined" by intel, as the size (.9 inches or smaller), USB standard (3.0), hibernate reawake, and a minimum 80gb high speed flash rom drive.

No other hardware standards define an ultrabook, and never have.. never will.

Lastly to say OSX isnt very tweak able, I stopped listening to anything technical related you now say :P Audio maybe, but when you try and tell people you can't tweak the most open ended operating system on earth, thats just funny. When I use to own my dual G5, it was a pure Unix based webserver, development platform, with a modified kernel. Drivers and PCI express controllers were also hacked to allow for a non Apple approved video card at the time (the version of OSX is now blanking on me, I believe it was the first cat iteration..). (6800 BFG)

OSX doesnt break, because the sample size that uses OSX vs Windows is .... out there. In no way do malicious people intend to develop symptoms for machines that only 2 percent of the technical population uses. But when they do, its just as easy to disable a OSX machine as much as a Windows machine. In some cases alot easier, especially remotely.
Alphonso Deitchman
20.05.2013		This is still OT. The whole topic is about Macbook vs off-brand Ultrabook.
Nedra Fresneda
20.05.2013		Move back to OT, we all know how mac vs pc threads end.
Doreen Schurle
20.05.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
What about all the other devices in the laptop? Keyboard, trackpad, webcam, bluetooth, Wifi, onboard sound?
Keyboard and trackpads both adhere to HID standards, as do webcams (USB Video Capture); bluetooth and Wifi are a bit trickier, but both tend to use Atheros chipsets these days which are supported by OS X. Sound is usually Realtek or C-Media, both of which are supported. Ultrabooks - like Centrino laptops a few years ago - are some of the best supported machines on OSx86 installs.

As for IE10/IE in general, yes. 60% marketshare.
Gaynell Rydberg
20.05.2013		OSX is so much more locked up compared to Windows... Please tell me in what way OSX gives you more freedom than Windows.

There's so much less to fuck up on a Mac.
Danae Dumler
20.05.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Agreed. Although the fact it's now integrated into IE10 (and can therefore be bug-checked specifically by Microsoft rather than Adobe's infinite number of monkeys) it's a LOT more stable.
(1) There's an IE 10? (2) People still use IE?
Alphonso Deitchman
20.05.2013		What about all the other devices in the laptop? Keyboard, trackpad, webcam, bluetooth, Wifi, onboard sound?
Doreen Schurle
20.05.2013		Unibeast.

http://www.tonymacx86.com/61-unibeas...-based-pc.html
Dorie Scelzo
20.05.2013		But not their version of UEFI or their motherboard chipset.

If that were the case, it'd be awesome. But I've seen no real mention of it being that simple elsewhere. Feel like citing a source?
Doreen Schurle
20.05.2013
Originally Posted by mostapha
Please don't make claims like that if you don't know what you're talking about. I have built a hackintosh. I know what's involved. I'd hazard to say that's more than you've done, and I wouldn't venture to make that claim without knowing a lot more about what hardware is in the Ultrabook the OP is talking about.
And you'd be very, very wrong.

I've been on the OSX86 train since day #1; technically before that, as I used to run Rhapsody DR2. Considering how Ultrabooks - by their very status as a consistent hardware platform defined by Intel - are all i3/i5s with HD3000/HD4000 GPUs (plus an additional discrete GPU in some models), it pretty much guarantees flawless OS X support, given how all of the key items in the platform are supported by the OS X kernel.
Dorie Scelzo
20.05.2013		Once again, it's down to personal preference.

I might be the weirdest person ever. I actually really like the changes to windows 8. I still don't use it because PowerShell just isn't as good as bash or zsh and that in my world there just isn't software as good for Windows as there is for Linux or OS X.

Originally Posted by mdcdesign
The Ultrabook will absolutely ANNIHILATE the MacBook. Plus, if you're really set on using OS X (fuck knows why you would be) you can always install it on the Ultrabook.
Please don't make claims like that if you don't know what you're talking about. I have built a hackintosh. I know what's involved. I'd hazard to say that's more than you've done, and I wouldn't venture to make that claim without knowing a lot more about what hardware is in the Ultrabook the OP is talking about.

Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50
OSX is more stable because it can't be tweaked anywhere near as much as Windows.
You have literally no idea what you're talking about if you make that claim.
Shawn Vanhaitsma
20.05.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Agreed. Although the fact it's now integrated into IE10 (and can therefore be bug-checked specifically by Microsoft rather than Adobe's infinite number of monkeys) it's a LOT more stable.
Its only in IE10 for legacy support, as many sites will slowly abandon Flash as it is a worthless piece of poo. HTML5/CSS2/3 and Java take away the need for that horrible platform.

Also just because microsoft integrated the flash player, it is still an adobe creation and product, made by those same adobe monkeys... Microsoft didnt reinvent the Flash codex/swf file system ::shrug:: Just saying
Doreen Schurle
18.05.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
And Flash just plain sucks on every platform. I get crashes all the time from flash-based videos regardless of what OS I'm running.
Agreed. Although the fact it's now integrated into IE10 (and can therefore be bug-checked specifically by Microsoft rather than Adobe's infinite number of monkeys) it's a LOT more stable.
Alphonso Deitchman
18.05.2013		The difference between Core Audio and WASAPI/ASIO has nothing to do with how "tweakable" Windows is. Having native support for low latency audio without the need for 3rd party drivers is a huge advantage. Having native support for aggregated sound cards without the need for 3rd party software is a huge advantage.

If you can present an equal machine to the Air, Retina Macbook, iMac, or Mac Mini at a significantly lower price, only then can you argue whether or not they are overpriced.

Comparing a brand new custom made desktop to a 3 year old Mac Pro is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by mdcdesign
Specifically an MB061B/A (actually an 80GB HDD, not 800; typo on the listing/this post).

Seems pretty obvious to me that
Doreen Schurle
18.05.2013		Just to clarify, you guys do realise that he's asking about a standard MacBook - non Air, non Pro - vs an Ultrabook, right? Specifically an MB061B/A (actually an 80GB HDD, not 800; typo on the listing/this post).

Seems pretty obvious to me that
Gaynell Rydberg
18.05.2013		It doesn't make his point any less valid.

Macs are incredibly overpriced. The only decent Mac out there is the MBA, but even that's falling behind. The ASUS ultrabooks have 1080p screens and you can get touch screen.

OSX is more stable because it can't be tweaked anywhere near as much as Windows.
Shawn Vanhaitsma
18.05.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
There is no Mac equivalent to a custom desktop, so that whole point is moot.

I'm not a fan of OSX either (I use Windows 7 on my custom built desktop 99% of the time), but I do appreciate that it's the best operating system - much better than Windows at least - to use for live audio.
How do you figure? If Mac offered the new 8 core Xeons, you could put the same thing into the machine, there would be no differences. If I had not gone water cooling it would have been 1200 cheaper. So the point holds fast.. not sure how you feel its "moot"
Alphonso Deitchman
18.05.2013		There is no Mac equivalent to a custom desktop, so that whole point is moot.

I'm not a fan of OSX either (I use Windows 7 on my custom built desktop 99% of the time), but I do appreciate that it's the best operating system - much better than Windows at least - to use for live audio.
Shawn Vanhaitsma
18.05.2013
Originally Posted by b1sh0p
lol!
LOL exactly... most DJs are not on top of it when it comes to computers, regardless if they are amazing Djs or not. Few are actual "tech geeks", they need things to be unbreakable out of the box and allow them to make mistakes. Although malware is now getting more popular on OSX, its pretty hard for even an idiot to break something on it because they use it to surf the web. Some people just love OSX that much, where as I do not .


I just finished my production rig build (I c aved and also made it gaming, Im a sucker) 1 TB of SSD, Dual 2670 Intel Xeons 16 cores, 64 gb of ram, Two 7970s, two 26 inch 1080p monitors and Water cooled the entire thing, for half the price of the closest equivalent mac (WITHOUT monitors, and the highest end 6 Core CPU (They dont of fer the 8 cores yet) The benefits of those who enjoy OSX are definitely not worth that much more over using a Windows machine.

Thats my only issue with Apple. My first production rig was a Dual CPU 4 C ore G5. Use to love that thing. But I love Windows 7 and it has yet to fail me for live or production so why go back right?
Sonja Roybal
18.05.2013
Originally Posted by p4ulson
let me ask you guys this can you name famous dj's that use a laptop that does'nt use a macbook? This should be a short list

i'd take that older macbook over the ultrabook anyday. Stability and support of osx wins. Damn that half eaten fruit....
lol!
Alphonso Deitchman
19.05.2013		Paypal cover does not stop at
Avis Lekic
19.05.2013		But you're only covered up to
Alphonso Deitchman
19.05.2013		Use Paypal, don't ever pay as "gift", and it'll be safe.
Avis Lekic
18.05.2013		The Macs much cheaper and I hate the new Windows 8, its all tablet and touch screen rubbish.

Only thing is the Macs off of Ebay? Could be risky
Federico Vilas
18.05.2013
Originally Posted by P4ULSON
let me ask you guys this can you name Famous Dj's that use a laptop that DOES'NT use a Macbook? this should be a short list

I'd take that older Macbook over the Ultrabook anyday. Stability and Support of OSX wins. Damn that half eaten fruit....
Let me see....

Faust and shortee!
Ilana Andretta
18.05.2013		@jacksoe12 I believe mostly it's what Operating System you prefer. Both Mac and Windows Computers if you take care of them and not overload will be just fine
Bunny Sockel
18.05.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
if you're really set on using OS X (fuck knows why you would be) you can always install it on the Ultrabook.
Why would you want to use windows 8.
Arnulfo Morten
18.05.2013		let me ask you guys this can you name Famous Dj's that use a laptop that DOES'NT use a Macbook? this should be a short list

I'd take that older Macbook over the Ultrabook anyday. Stability and Support of OSX wins. Damn that half eaten fruit....

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