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How to do precise piitch fadding with Traktor Scratch Pro 2.6?
Posted on: 13.09.2013 by Vikki Falkenrath
I want to test some editing I did on tracks but don't wanna keep burning CDs to play on my CDJ-200s, But when I use Traktor 2.6 on my notebook I can't use pitch faders with the precision of the CDJs (0,02%), I can just adjust to a maximum precision of 0,1%, which is ridiculous for old school mixing. Is it possible to raise the pitch fader precision on Traktor? So I can simulate things I would do on CDJs.

(please don't mention Sync, that is not the point)

(If it's not possible, should I try Serato?)

Tranks
Vikki Falkenrath
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by DISaS73R
You've just explained an overcomplicated, less smart version of what I suggested, mate.
well actually you just described what manual mixing is, adding a percentage to a bpm to be close or exact the other one. of course it is what i do, its the only thing you can do with pitch faders....

but tell me, if you knew a track was 128,45 and the other was 129,33, what percentages would you use on both? considering you have to do it in your head
Olin Easley
15.09.2013		You've just explained an overcomplicated, less smart version of what I suggested, mate.

So you're going through all this trouble, so that you can claim that you're better than DJs who use sync because you use a spreadsheet and not a button? That's pathetic.
Vikki Falkenrath
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by malyatrax
Or you could do it by ear.
yes haha but it is no longer a good deal when the other djs are hitting sync and having perfect mixing always. Its just a method to archive perfect precision at any bpm combination, which is impossible by ear
Maranda Cowels
15.09.2013		Or you could do it by ear.
Vikki Falkenrath
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by malyatrax
So wait, all you're doing is moving the pitch slider on the deck you're cueing up?
Holy shit guys, someone get an award for this genius.

You are changing the pitch of the song you're cueing up to match the tune playing, so the BPMs match.... And that's new.
Just... Wow.
yes, but zero error, always. it means if one track becomes 128,675 with the pitch fading the other is also 128,675
Vikki Falkenrath
15.09.2013		like when you wanna mix 128,00 to 127,00 , if you do -0,94% on 128,00 and -0,18% on 127,00 you have a perfect mix, zero error. you can store that in your head. But what if it is 128,23 and 126,94? you cant store every single possibility, unless you create a method to have the answer to every possible combinaton, which should firstly be recognized, as cdjs dont show more that 1 decimal pont, and you need 2 for good mixing. so there are basicly two methods, realising what are the bpms and realising what are the pitch fades
Maranda Cowels
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by Daniboy
Sure there is this way. but it involves only one of the two pitch faders. my method is relative. is like doing this with both pitch faders ( which cant be done on the track playing cause it would sound shity) unless... you knew exacly the percentages of the two pitch faders, which is impossible to know when the tracks are diffferent from xxx,00. I discovered a way
So wait, all you're doing is moving the pitch slider on the deck you're cueing up?
Holy shit guys, someone get an award for this genius.

You are changing the pitch of the song you're cueing up to match the tune playing, so the BPMs match.... And that's new.
Just... Wow.
Olin Easley
15.09.2013		I really doubt your method is any better than the one I mentioned.
Vikki Falkenrath
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by DISaS73R
Let me guess. You calculate the difference between the original BPMs and then convert that to percentage, using the fact that 1BPM = 0.8% * 120BPM.

I study computer science, I've attended multiple competitions in mathematics, including a couple international ones where I placed quite well. Don't brag just because you're doing engineering.
no thats not what i do, its much more complex than it, its relative, both bpms work together
Vikki Falkenrath
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by flpanhandler
You know the art of djing is on its way out when people resort to using a spread sheet to make a mix. holy crap I have heard it all. lol..
i dont read anything, its a mathematica method, i store some thing in my head and discover others in every mix
Maranda Cowels
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by flpanhandler
You know the art of djing is on its way out when people resort to using a spread sheet to make a mix. holy crap I have heard it all. lol..
I'm cool with sync, but excel should be banned.
Can you imagine go to a club and the DJs looking through a spreadsheet.... Man, it's so robotic, and not good robotic either.
Vikki Falkenrath
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by malyatrax
There's also a magical thing where you just move the pitch slider up and down, and get around about the same bpm on each deck, and then play the tunes together, and make people happy.
Or spend all your time in excel working out a way of doing it that I'm sure the grand masters of mixing have been doing (without necessarily knowing the maths) for ages.
Sure there is this way. but it involves only one of the two pitch faders. my method is relative. is like doing this with both pitch faders ( which cant be done on the track playing cause it would sound shity) unless... you knew exacly the percentages of the two pitch faders, which is impossible to know when the tracks are diffferent from xxx,00. I discovered a way
Vito Chesnut
15.09.2013		You know the art of djing is on its way out when people resort to using a spread sheet to make a mix. holy crap I have heard it all. lol..
Olin Easley
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by Daniboy
mwahahaha Ive spent months in it, too much time working on excel, Im not going to teach you bro, It also would be very hard to teach through a community thread on a language that is not my native.

There is a mathematical way, and you can mix any bpm (xxx,yy) with any other else using preety much only math
Let me guess. You calculate the difference between the original BPMs and then convert that to percentage, using the fact that 1BPM = 0.8% * 120BPM.

I study computer science, I've attended multiple competitions in mathematics, including a couple international ones where I placed quite well. Don't brag just because you're doing engineering.
Maranda Cowels
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by Daniboy
mwahahaha Ive spent months in it, too much time working on excel, Im not going to teach you bro, It also would be very hard to teach through a community thread on a language that is not my native.

There is a mathematical way, and you can mix any bpm (xxx,yy) with any other else using preety much only math
There's also a magical thing where you just move the pitch slider up and down, and get around about the same bpm on each deck, and then play the tunes together, and make people happy.
Or spend all your time in excel working out a way of doing it that I'm sure the grand masters of mixing have been doing (without necessarily knowing the maths) for ages.
Vito Chesnut
15.09.2013		Ok.. Mr Engineer.. I will try to explain this one more time... Traktor can simulate MIXERS(Xone,Z2,Pioneer 900), because the paramaters of the MIXER can be altered. It does NOT however simulate CDJS in any shape or form!!! It doesn't. You want to know why? Because all they do is control the speed of the damn song. So why would you need to simulate one cdjs way of controlling speed over the other? We have said time and again that it does not show the second decimal point, so THERE is your answer. That answer being NO! Please stop trying to talk down to us when you can't even comprehend the answers we are giving. Damn man..
Maranda Cowels
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by Daniboy
Im a civil engineer. I know math. Mixing is math. I created a mathematical way, which by the way works, but I need to train it to get used to it.
Do I need to quote you back to you?

First of all, you say you're mixing the "Old Skool" way. The reason it's old school, is because it's been around a long time.... Ya dig?
Secondly of all, you do want to simulate the CDJs, you said so yourself....
Originally Posted by Daniboy
-------------------------------I NEED TO SIMULATE A CDJ-200------------------------------
... So don't get snappy when we don't understand your demands, because you're not making any sense.

Thirdly: I'm studying Computer Science, I know maths. My 15 year old brother knows maths. Hell, they even teach maths in nurseries now.
You do maths, you're not special, you mix. It's a thing we all do, and that unites us.
Vikki Falkenrath
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by DISaS73R
Tell us the way and if it's indeed the first time anyone's ever thought of it, I'm sure we can find enough members willing to chip in in order to buy you a pair of 2000s.
mwahahaha Ive spent months in it, too much time working on excel, Im not going to teach you bro, It also would be very hard to teach through a community thread on a language that is not my native.

There is a mathematical way, and you can mix any bpm (xxx,yy) with any other else using preety much only math
Olin Easley
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by Daniboy
Im a civil engineer. I know math. Mixing is math. I created a mathematical way, which by the way works, but I need to train it to get used to it.
Tell us the way and if it's indeed the first time anyone's ever thought of it, I'm sure we can find enough members willing to chip in in order to buy you a pair of 2000s.
Maranda Cowels
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by Daniboy
"Hit sync" is obviusly the wrong way of trying to help me, come on
Oh boy.... YOU are the only person to have mentioned sync. People are trying to help you. I'm a VDJ user, but I still get 0.01 precision, but because you're insisting on traktor, I can't help you. I'm only here because your tantrum is one of the funniest things I've seen all day.
Respect the community, and they'll respect you. Be a whiny little... Well, you get the idea.

Originally Posted by DISaS73R
Third of all (is that even a real expression?)
Thirdly? Third? Thricesomely? No idea.
Vikki Falkenrath
15.09.2013		i dont need to simulate everything, just the god damn pitch faders, just 0,02%
Vikki Falkenrath
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by flpanhandler
No there is no way a program like traktor can simulate every cdj out there. It does a decent job of simulating the top of the line mixers... but there is no way for the action of the track decks to simulate anything other than what they are. There is your answer.
Thanks for trying. but the precision of the pitch fader a cdj-2000nexus is the same of the cdj-200, so your answer doesnt makes a lot of sense
Vito Chesnut
15.09.2013		And no, Serato doesn't simulate CDJ's either.
Vito Chesnut
15.09.2013		No there is no way a program like traktor can simulate every cdj out there. It does a decent job of simulating the top of the line mixers... but there is no way for the action of the track decks to simulate anything other than what they are. There is your answer.
Vikki Falkenrath
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by malyatrax
No you didn't, don't be silly, and read your previous posts.
Im a civil engineer. I know math. Mixing is math. I created a mathematical way, which by the way works, but I need to train it to get used to it.
Olin Easley
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by Daniboy
Dont make me laugh. A traktor user that doenst even know what his software is or is not able to do trying to teach me how to mix hahaha
First of all, you have no idea what medium I use to DJ.
Second of all, if you're so good at mixing, why do you need help from a community full of users who "just hit sync"?
Third of all (is that even a real expression?), I haven't even tried to answer your question, why do you believe I can't?

Go back to warping your tunes and calling yourself a real DJ cos you managed to mix Flo Rida's and Pit Bull's new tunes without using Traktor.
Maranda Cowels
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by Daniboy
I just created a way of mixing
Originally Posted by Daniboy
a way of mixing
Originally Posted by Daniboy
I just created
Originally Posted by Daniboy
created
No you didn't, don't be silly, and read your previous posts.
Vikki Falkenrath
15.09.2013		"Hit sync" is obviusly the wrong way of trying to help me, come on
Vikki Falkenrath
14.09.2013		I just created a way of mixing and wanna test it, I need the help of someone that knows more than the basic of the program
Maranda Cowels
14.09.2013
Originally Posted by Daniboy
you are not answering my question
I know I'm not, I'm just explaining that you're acting like an arse-barn.
Vikki Falkenrath
14.09.2013
Originally Posted by malyatrax
Yeah, if you're going to basically ignore / push aside any help that people are trying to offer you, and then insult them whilst their doing it, then please, be my guest and go ask somewhere else.

And on a side note: Everybody in a thread will read you first post, you don't have to repeat your question over and over. It's the same as shouting the same question over and over at somebody. They'll get sick of it, because it means you believe they're stupid, and will not answer your questions.
you are not answering my question
Maranda Cowels
14.09.2013
Originally Posted by DISaS73R
The old way is to beatmatch by ear, not to count percentages and insult people on the internet.
BOOM DE YADA! This guy gets a medal.
Vikki Falkenrath
14.09.2013
Originally Posted by DISaS73R
The old way is to beatmatch by ear, not to count percentages and insult people on the internet.
Dont make me laugh. A traktor user that doenst even know what his software is or is not able to do trying to teach me how to mix hahaha
Maranda Cowels
14.09.2013		Yeah, if you're going to basically ignore / push aside any help that people are trying to offer you, and then insult them whilst their doing it, then please, be my guest and go ask somewhere else.

And on a side note: Everybody in a thread will read you first post, you don't have to repeat your question over and over. It's the same as shouting the same question over and over at somebody. They'll get sick of it, because it means you believe they're stupid, and will not answer your questions.
Olin Easley
14.09.2013		The old way is to beatmatch by ear, not to count percentages and insult people on the internet.
Vikki Falkenrath
14.09.2013
Originally Posted by flpanhandler
Yeah, quite the insult saying that we don't know how to use Traktor. Apparently WE know how to use it just fine.
Nobody answered my question yet, everyone wants to give tips and show thats knows more.
I want to simulate a Cdj-200 on a recent version of traktor, if it is not possible say "it is not possible" instead of saying "buy better cdjs"...
you are insulting me, i live in brazil and here a cdj-200 cost the same a cdj-2000 would in usa

please someone close this thread, i will find the answer somewhere else
Vito Chesnut
14.09.2013		Yeah, quite the insult saying that we don't know how to use Traktor. Apparently WE know how to use it just fine.
Vikki Falkenrath
14.09.2013		Would I be able to make 0,02% pitch fading with SERATO?
Vikki Falkenrath
14.09.2013
Originally Posted by 031999
woah man easy there.

Obviously, this is easy to figure out.

Traktor really does not have this precision. Because its really not a production tool.

I recommend upgrading your cdj's, friend.
It does have the precision, or else it wouldn't be able to make sync happen.
I just wanna access this precision.

And thanks for the tip of buying better CDJ, if you would like to send me the money thar would be an even bigger help
Lannie Kutay
14.09.2013
Originally Posted by Daniboy
Because I already do that, now I'm trying a new editing.

Does anybody here knows how to use Traktor or just hit sync?
woah man easy there.

Obviously, this is easy to figure out.

Traktor really does not have this precision. Because its really not a production tool.

I recommend upgrading your cdj's, friend.

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