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How to do precise piitch fadding with Traktor Scratch Pro 2.6?
Posted on: 13.09.2013 by Vikki Falkenrath
I want to test some editing I did on tracks but don't wanna keep burning CDs to play on my CDJ-200s, But when I use Traktor 2.6 on my notebook I can't use pitch faders with the precision of the CDJs (0,02%), I can just adjust to a maximum precision of 0,1%, which is ridiculous for old school mixing. Is it possible to raise the pitch fader precision on Traktor? So I can simulate things I would do on CDJs.

(please don't mention Sync, that is not the point)

(If it's not possible, should I try Serato?)

Tranks
Maranda Cowels
14.09.2013
Originally Posted by Daniboy
wtf.... this is drum n bass...

I will answer this with 3 youtube videos:







First one is a lesson to mix DnB without beatmatching, and the 2 other ones are tracks that you used which start with no beat, just melody, which would aply perfectly on that lesson.

Give me an mainstream EDM mix, with a lot of beatmatching please...

...I'm talking about 0,001 bpm precision and this guy gives me melody fade in fade out....
Shit, I was about to congratulate you on working out what you were trying to say,and then you go and (try to) rip the shit out of a really good mix.
Asking for mainstream EDM with lot's of beatmatching will get you hated even more so than you already are. You want real beatmatching and all that? Try some irregular rhythm patterns, or weird time signatures. THAT is some true skill beatmatching.
You basically confirmed that you're a top 40 DJ trying to emulate a machine. Which is stupid. We're here for the music, along with some mad skills. All you have is tastelessness and a pedantic obsession with utter perfection.

You do realise that even machine made music drifts. Not enough to hear, not by a long shot, but you with your 0,000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000001% precision hearing should be able to pick it up.

Wait, what's that? You've been talking crap this whole time?

That's surprising.
Vikki Falkenrath
14.09.2013
Originally Posted by Patech
Oh I see... There is no way to show a more precise measurement of %
Thanks man, thats why i came here for. And do you know any virtual dj program that does?
Vikki Falkenrath
14.09.2013
Originally Posted by Cookish
I understand exactly what you're asking, you're just asking it the wrong way. All your looking for is the bpm DISPLAY to read to two decimal points, instead of one decimal point, is that correct?
yes, but not the BPM display, i dont care if it shows 128....129....130 or 128,01...128,02....128,03....
I want to see the fine changing of the percentage, the one that the CDJs show. I need it to be like 0,02%.....0,04%.....0,06%.... understand?
Maranda Cowels
14.09.2013
Originally Posted by Cookish
I understand exactly what you're asking, you're just asking it the wrong way. All your looking for is the bpm DISPLAY to read to two decimal points, instead of one decimal point, is that correct?
Holy moley Batman, we're onto something here.
Carter Wetrich
14.09.2013
Oh I see... As far as I know there is no way to show a more precise read out of % on Traktor.
Vikki Falkenrath
14.09.2013
wtf.... this is drum n bass...

I will answer this with 3 youtube videos:







First one is a lesson to mix DnB without beatmatching, and the 2 other ones are tracks that you used which start with no beat, just melody, which would aply perfectly on that lesson.

Give me an mainstream EDM mix, with a lot of beatmatching please...

...I'm talking about 0,001 bpm precision and this guy gives me melody fade in fade out....
Ellis Plischke
14.09.2013
I understand exactly what you're asking, you're just asking it the wrong way. All your looking for is the bpm DISPLAY to read to two decimal points, instead of one decimal point, is that correct?
Vikki Falkenrath
14.09.2013
Originally Posted by Patech
So you want less precision? So that Traktor will emulate your cdj200s?
No, I want to be able to choose to add +0,04% on a track, instead to make it 128,01, understand?

the BPM counter is very prrecise but the pitch fader percentage counter just shows me 0,0%... 0,1%.....0,2%.... how do I "see" more precision on the pitch fader percentage counter?
Carter Wetrich
14.09.2013
So you want less precision? So that Traktor will emulate your cdj200s?
Vikki Falkenrath
14.09.2013
Originally Posted by Patech
These guys have a point... DJing is about using the tools you have in front of you. Not all the gear is perfect, not even Pioneer cdj2000s. Pitch bend and jog wheels are there for a reason. If you are just going to cue tracks and not have to worry about the bpm falling off then what is the point of beatmatching? Here is your answer: At 8% pitch range hover your cursor over the pitch fader, you will see a "- +" right click on it and select fine. You should be able to get .01 range if you change it to "min" which is better than .02 which you would chose "fine" click on the - or + to change your value. If you don't want to use your mouse then you have to map it to your keyboard buttons.
Thanks, it works for fine BPM changing but not for pitch fader percentage changing, i mean, it may change 0,01% but i only see a change when it becomes 0,1%, understand?
Carter Wetrich
14.09.2013
These guys have a point... DJing is about using the tools you have in front of you. Not all the gear is perfect, not even Pioneer cdj2000s. Pitch bend and jog wheels are there for a reason. If you are just going to cue tracks and not have to worry about the bpm falling off then what is the point of beatmatching? Here is your answer: At 8% pitch range hover your cursor over the pitch fader, you will see a "- +" right click on it and select fine. You should be able to get .01 range if you change it to "min" which is better than .02 which you would chose "fine" click on the - or + to change your value. If you don't want to use your mouse then you have to map it to your keyboard buttons.
Vito Chesnut
14.09.2013
http://www.mixcloud.com/jamesbthomas...-liquid-enjoy/

http://www.mixcloud.com/jamesbthomaston/
Vikki Falkenrath
14.09.2013
Originally Posted by flpanhandler
Let me guess, you are quoting the Mixmag top dj list? Any dj worth his weight in shit, knows that those things have nothing to do with skill. If so, Jeff Mills would be in the top 5 every year. I am done with you, as you obviously have no clue nor desire to learn how to DJ properly. Sorry guys, it was fun, but I am off to go get paid to do my art.
actually Dj mag, and you can spend 60 years of your life moving one pitch fader at a time but the precision wont get higher, trust me. give me a link of your good mix please
Vito Chesnut
14.09.2013
Let me guess, you are quoting the Mixmag top dj list? Any dj worth his weight in shit, knows that those things have nothing to do with skill. If so, Jeff Mills would be in the top 5 every year. I am done with you, as you obviously have no clue nor desire to learn how to DJ properly. Sorry guys, it was fun, but I am off to go get paid to do my art.
Vikki Falkenrath
14.09.2013
Originally Posted by flpanhandler
I have no idea who he is, but I know how much skill I have after 20 years of djing, so why not listen yourself? Or better idea, go find some of Sasha and Digweed's old mixes.. or Carl Cox.. If you are honestly trying to tell me that your method is better than those mentioned here, you ARE trolling us.
he is dj #13 of the world...and you are telling me you mix better than him, who is trolling who?
Vito Chesnut
14.09.2013
Originally Posted by Daniboy
i heard the errors of markus shulz at marquee, do you play better than him?
I have no idea who he is, but I know how much skill I have after 20 years of djing, so why not listen yourself? Or better idea, go find some of Sasha and Digweed's old mixes.. or Carl Cox.. If you are honestly trying to tell me that your method is better than those mentioned here, you ARE trolling us.
Vito Chesnut
14.09.2013
Originally Posted by Hippie
Find or map your own fine pitch controls using the controller manager to solve your problem.
He wants to be able to see that percentage point though, which Traktor doesn't display. If it was just the controls we would have had him sorted on page 1.
Vikki Falkenrath
14.09.2013
Originally Posted by flpanhandler
I call BULLSHIT, go check my mixes on my mixcloud and tell me where you can hear any differences in BPM, those were made BEFORE I owned Traktor.
i heard the errors of markus shulz at marquee, do you play better than him?
Maranda Cowels
14.09.2013
Originally Posted by Daniboy
ok man, i dont need to prove that i do what i do, i just want a way of pitch fading 0,02% on my notebook, in a easy, simple way
Yeah guys, take it easy on him.

I mean, it's not like we tried to help him and then he just spat it back in our faces...

Oh wait...
Vito Chesnut
14.09.2013
I call BULLSHIT, go check my mixes on my mixcloud and tell me where you can hear any differences in BPM, those were made BEFORE I owned Traktor.
Olin Easley
14.09.2013
Originally Posted by malyatrax
I should be off to a party, but this is just too good.
This is the party.
Vikki Falkenrath
14.09.2013
Originally Posted by flpanhandler
I'll shoot an email over to Craze and AndyC, they have been doing it all wrong for years.



Wait, I believe this guy is trolling us.
ok man, i dont need to prove that i do what i do, i just want a way of pitch fading 0,02% on my notebook, in a easy, simple way
Maranda Cowels
14.09.2013
Originally Posted by DISaS73R
This thread is getting funnier by the minute.
I should be off to a party, but this is just too good.
Maranda Cowels
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by Daniboy
thats a beautiful post bro, but if you are not editing the tracks or using relative percentages, i would hear the difference
Guys, we're talking to superman.
Tania Somppi
15.09.2013
Find or map your own fine pitch controls using the controller manager to solve your problem.
Olin Easley
15.09.2013
This thread is getting funnier by the minute.
Vikki Falkenrath
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by malyatrax
ART.

That's the big word here.

Is an excel document art?

Sometimes.

Is your Excel document art?

No.

Is the excel document you've memorized art?

No.

Case closed.
hahaha how old are you
Vito Chesnut
15.09.2013
I'll shoot an email over to Craze and AndyC, they have been doing it all wrong for years.



Wait, I believe this guy is trolling us.
Vikki Falkenrath
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by flpanhandler
A GOOD dj can play just as well as those guys using sync. Just an FYI, its called years of hard work and practice. Almost 20 years under my belt and I can play my tunes without sync or with sync, and the listener would never know the difference. Again, this is why our art is suffering, not sync, not software, but because people care not about the art.
thats a beautiful post bro, but if you are not editing the tracks or using relative percentages, i would hear the difference
Maranda Cowels
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by flpanhandler
A GOOD dj can play just as well as those guys using sync. Just an FYI, its called years of hard work and practice. Almost 20 years under my belt and I can play my tunes without sync or with sync, and the listener would never know the difference. Again, this is why our art is suffering, not sync, not software, but because people care not about the art.
ART.

That's the big word here.

Is an excel document art?

Sometimes.

Is your Excel document art?

No.

Is the excel document you've memorized art?

No.

Case closed.
Olin Easley
15.09.2013
Do you really believe that 0.005% is an audible difference? That's 0.00875BPM, you wouldn't notice such difference for more than an hour.
Also, people have been beatmatching by ear for so long and it's always worked, stop making excuses.
Maranda Cowels
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by Daniboy
pitch bend?! you will be choosing the next track, talking to people, reading the crowd while you pitch bend nonstop, come on, i doubt you pitch bend poor precision mixes when the two tracks are playing, its sound shitty
So all DJs who manually beatmatch are shit if they don't use YOUR UNIQUE AND BRILLIANT AND AMAZING AND THE BEST IN THE WORLD EVER MIXING TECHNIQUE AAHHHH USE EXCEL BICHISSSS!

*ahem*
Vito Chesnut
15.09.2013
And honestly, an easier fix would be to buy Ableton and warp all of your tracks so that they are an exact bpm, so you do not need to worry about percentage points. Just sayin..
Vito Chesnut
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by Daniboy
yes haha but it is no longer a good deal when the other djs are hitting sync and having perfect mixing always. Its just a method to archive perfect precision at any bpm combination, which is impossible by ear
A GOOD dj can play just as well as those guys using sync. Just an FYI, its called years of hard work and practice. Almost 20 years under my belt and I can play my tunes without sync or with sync, and the listener would never know the difference. Again, this is why our art is suffering, not sync, not software, but because people care not about the art.
Vikki Falkenrath
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by malyatrax
*ahemhemhehmhem* pitch bend *Ahemememe*
pitch bend?! you will be choosing the next track, talking to people, reading the crowd while you pitch bend nonstop, come on, i doubt you pitch bend poor precision mixes when the two tracks are playing, its sound shitty
Vikki Falkenrath
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by DISaS73R
Let's say Track A is playing. It has an original tempo of 128.45 and a percentage of +x%. If you want to bring in a new track with original tempo of 129.33, you pitch it to + (x-0.75*(129.33-128.45)) = x- 0.75*0.9 = + (x - 0.675) %
awsome!! but your cdj ony has 2 decimal points so it cant be 0,675%, it has to be 0,68 or 0,66, which depending on the mix, would result an audible error.
so how do you fix that????
you change the bpm of the other track too, but how much? well you would need to do other calculus like this one you did, or you can use a method that gives you both percentages, understand?
Maranda Cowels
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by Daniboy
you understood what i said, sometimes you need two tracks to be playig more than 1 minutr together, than you need 0 error or it WILL drift, and depending the time, will drift a lot
*ahemhemhehmhem* pitch bend *Ahemememe*
Olin Easley
15.09.2013
Let's say Track A is playing. It has an original tempo of 128.45 and a percentage of +x%. If you want to bring in a new track with original tempo of 129.33, you pitch it to + (x-0.75*(129.33-128.45)) = x- 0.75*0.9 = + (x - 0.675) %

Yes, tunes may (or rather will) drift when you beatmatch by ear, but that's why you have jogwheels.
Vikki Falkenrath
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by malyatrax
Yeah... Tell that to DVS users.
"Hey guys, ur shit cus u 0.0000001 % off of the BPM, u suck go home I got excel!"
you understood what i said, sometimes you need two tracks to be playig more than 1 minutr together, than you need 0 error or it WILL drift, and depending the time, will drift a lot
Maranda Cowels
15.09.2013
Originally Posted by Daniboy
yes haha but it is no longer a good deal when the other djs are hitting sync and having perfect mixing always. Its just a method to archive perfect precision at any bpm combination, which is impossible by ear
Yeah... Tell that to DVS users.
"Hey guys, ur shit cus u 0.0000001 % off of the BPM, u suck go home I got excel!"

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