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CDJ 850 Traktor Posted on: 02.09.2012 by Ossie Pooley Hey guys, I've decided on a pair of CDJ 850s (I believe) I can pick up a pair for about
Hyman Werness 24.09.2012	Originally Posted by LoopCat I agree. Anything below the 900 is a bit of a rip off unless you get a crazy cheap price. the thing is you can ... pioneer rebate going on until 12/31 $150 per deck (cdj-850 (k) ) so if you know how to price match or wait for a 15% off day you can grab a set of 850's for $1250... i much rather prefer the features of the 900 as well link esp, but im gonna grab a set of 850-k and add 1 Nexus at a time. seems the best way to do it. I run the 850s over serato though, what support if any they have in traktor... couldn't tell you.
Ming Devis 21.09.2012	Originally Posted by lucasmanning Mate i would keep looking for a used set of 900s , wont set you back much more. I agree. Anything below the 900 is a bit of a rip off unless you get a crazy cheap price.
Peggy Gabrielson 10.09.2012	Originally Posted by Shishdisma What? Seriously?! How?! What tripped you up, was it the extremely basic interface, the sparse and easy to use controls, or maybe the ridiculously basic cueing system? There's literally maybe 2 things about CDJs you can't learn in entirely by staring at one for 10 seconds. And even then the manual will teach you just as much as a $2000 investment. you're right they are easy to use. But when you are going from a nice controlled studio environment to a loud club, the last thing you want to believe about is the gear. You shouldn't even need to worry about it. Although I've owned CDJs I don't at the moment, and i'm always a bit tense when I play on them simply because i don't use them day in and day out like I do my s4. Also the last time I played was a real pain to set up my S4 and from that point getting the industry standard, no matter how overpriced, seemed to make sense.
Nancey Inderlied 03.09.2012	Originally Posted by Lilac It's not the interface that trips you up. It's how different it is to DJing with MIDI controllers. You get used to using effects, loops etc. in a different fashion than you would on CDJs. You feel limited with CDJs, especially if you haven't had much experience with them. That doesn't really make any sense, especially with Pio setups post 2006.
Ossie Pooley 03.09.2012	Originally Posted by Shishdisma What? Seriously?! How?! What tripped you up, was it the extremely basic interface, the sparse and easy to use controls, or maybe the ridiculously basic cueing system? There's literally maybe 2 things about CDJs you can't learn in entirely by staring at one for 10 seconds. And even then the manual will teach you just as much as a $2000 investment. It's not the interface that trips you up. It's how different it is to DJing with MIDI controllers. You get used to using effects, loops etc. in a different fashion than you would on CDJs. You feel limited with CDJs, especially if you haven't had much experience with them.
Nancey Inderlied 03.09.2012	Originally Posted by Lilac I have to disagree with you there buddy. If I'd never touched a CDJ before playing a club, I would have cried myself to sleep. If I expect to play out more, I need to get to grips with what most venues stock. What? Seriously?! How?! What tripped you up, was it the extremely basic interface, the sparse and easy to use controls, or maybe the ridiculously basic cueing system? There's literally maybe 2 things about CDJs you can't learn in entirely by staring at one for 10 seconds. And even then the manual will teach you just as much as a $2000 investment.
Ossie Pooley 03.09.2012	I'm trying to move away from MIDI controllers to CDJs. I'd still like to have the option of using it as a midi controller as a gateway though. I'm actually being really tempted by the CDJ700s. Complete rip off from pioneer but cheap, cheerful and unlikely to break in my bedroom. Originally Posted by Shishdisma "Getting to grips with the industry standard" is one of the most infuriating myths in the DJ world, and this is coming from the owner of a pair of 2000s. I have to disagree with you there buddy. If I'd never touched a CDJ before playing a club, I would have cried myself to sleep. If I expect to play out more, I need to get to grips with what most venues stock.
Hyman Werness 24.09.2012	Originally Posted by LoopCat I agree. Anything below the 900 is a bit of a rip off unless you get a crazy cheap price. the thing is you can ... pioneer rebate going on until 12/31 $150 per deck (cdj-850 (k) ) so if you know how to price match or wait for a 15% off day you can grab a set of 850's for $1250... i much rather prefer the features of the 900 as well link esp, but im gonna grab a set of 850-k and add 1 Nexus at a time. seems the best way to do it. I run the 850s over serato though, what support if any they have in traktor... couldn't tell you.
Ming Devis 21.09.2012	Originally Posted by lucasmanning Mate i would keep looking for a used set of 900s , wont set you back much more. I agree. Anything below the 900 is a bit of a rip off unless you get a crazy cheap price.
Mimi Mahaffee 10.09.2012	it's all bout workflow.. I believe the new xdj-aero from pioneer will suit you great, same price as a controller but with pioneer workflow and layout. It's even standalone so you don't need traktor. Use your phone or ipad for scrolling waveforms. This is a really good alternative for those that doesnt want 2 cdjs and 4 channel mixer at home.
Peggy Gabrielson 10.09.2012	Originally Posted by Shishdisma What? Seriously?! How?! What tripped you up, was it the extremely basic interface, the sparse and easy to use controls, or maybe the ridiculously basic cueing system? There's literally maybe 2 things about CDJs you can't learn in entirely by staring at one for 10 seconds. And even then the manual will teach you just as much as a $2000 investment. you're right they are easy to use. But when you are going from a nice controlled studio environment to a loud club, the last thing you want to believe about is the gear. You shouldn't even need to worry about it. Although I've owned CDJs I don't at the moment, and i'm always a bit tense when I play on them simply because i don't use them day in and day out like I do my s4. Also the last time I played was a real pain to set up my S4 and from that point getting the industry standard, no matter how overpriced, seemed to make sense.
Vikki Jeannoel 04.09.2012	Mate i would keep looking for a used set of 900s , wont set you back much more.
Nancey Inderlied 03.09.2012	Originally Posted by Lilac It's not the interface that trips you up. It's how different it is to DJing with MIDI controllers. You get used to using effects, loops etc. in a different fashion than you would on CDJs. You feel limited with CDJs, especially if you haven't had much experience with them. That doesn't really make any sense, especially with Pio setups post 2006.
Ossie Pooley 03.09.2012	Originally Posted by Shishdisma What? Seriously?! How?! What tripped you up, was it the extremely basic interface, the sparse and easy to use controls, or maybe the ridiculously basic cueing system? There's literally maybe 2 things about CDJs you can't learn in entirely by staring at one for 10 seconds. And even then the manual will teach you just as much as a $2000 investment. It's not the interface that trips you up. It's how different it is to DJing with MIDI controllers. You get used to using effects, loops etc. in a different fashion than you would on CDJs. You feel limited with CDJs, especially if you haven't had much experience with them.
Nancey Inderlied 03.09.2012	Originally Posted by Lilac I have to disagree with you there buddy. If I'd never touched a CDJ before playing a club, I would have cried myself to sleep. If I expect to play out more, I need to get to grips with what most venues stock. What? Seriously?! How?! What tripped you up, was it the extremely basic interface, the sparse and easy to use controls, or maybe the ridiculously basic cueing system? There's literally maybe 2 things about CDJs you can't learn in entirely by staring at one for 10 seconds. And even then the manual will teach you just as much as a $2000 investment.
Ming Devis 03.09.2012	I believe a better solution would be time code vinyl way cheaper and more fun to use. You could get two decent turntables a Kontrol X1 or some dicer's plus the option of collecting sweet rare tracks on vinyl and using the 1200's at clubs (and it will cost about the same or less than one CDJ 900). CDJ's are so easy to use mate once you know how to beat match by ear there is not much to get your head around especially with most clubs having 2000's these days, bring some usb sticks or advance hid with your laptop and your laughing.
Ossie Pooley 03.09.2012	I'm trying to move away from MIDI controllers to CDJs. I'd still like to have the option of using it as a midi controller as a gateway though. I'm actually being really tempted by the CDJ700s. Complete rip off from pioneer but cheap, cheerful and unlikely to break in my bedroom. Originally Posted by Shishdisma "Getting to grips with the industry standard" is one of the most infuriating myths in the DJ world, and this is coming from the owner of a pair of 2000s. I have to disagree with you there buddy. If I'd never touched a CDJ before playing a club, I would have cried myself to sleep. If I expect to play out more, I need to get to grips with what most venues stock.
Nancey Inderlied 03.09.2012	If you're using Traktor and don't have existing hardware, it's a much better solution in the long run to either use a high end controller with Traktor, and pocket the $1200 or so, or just import your library into Rekordbox and move into a USB rig. "Getting to grips with the industry standard" is one of the most infuriating myths in the DJ world, and this is coming from the owner of a pair of 2000s. If you're looking for cheap Pioneer hardware, that new Aero thing runs off of Rekordbox drives, has MIDI support and a card, and is looking to come in at around $1200 IIRC, about a grand less than a pair of 900s.
Ossie Pooley 02.09.2012	Hot dang. Cheers guys. Looks like I gotta save up for the 900s
Arla Seniw 02.09.2012	Never knew that... Thats cool, always thought only the Denon one worked without a lappy.
Tatum Ansaldo 02.09.2012	pretty sure it just needs power.
Arla Seniw 02.09.2012	Even if the VCI isn't connected to a laptop?
Tatum Ansaldo 02.09.2012	CDJ-850 integration with traktor really pisses me off. It's not accurate and the controls are hit and miss at best. For example, certain LEDs such as key lock don't necessarily show whether it's on or off, they just alternate when you press and depend entirely on whether they were on when you connected to traktor. With SSL the integration is perfect but for some reason traktor only supports 900s, 2000s and (?!) 400s. I'd recommend the 850s any day for SSL or as USB or CD players, but good traktor controllers they ain't (yet). The potential's there but it's not properly implemented. And the VCI 400 works as a standalone mixer in the outer 2 channels so that's not a problem.
Arla Seniw 02.09.2012	Not sure on that. I know the s4 still has to be connected to a laptop. You'd have to check on the VCI, never had firsthand experience with one. And loughborough.
Ossie Pooley 02.09.2012	Kent uni. You? It'd need to be plugged in? Even with the new firmware update?
Arla Seniw 02.09.2012	Haha, I believe were in similar positions. Although i have no idea when my loan comes in. What uni you at? I want CDJ's but can't justify them at the moment =[ You could use the VCI as a mixer but it would have to be connected to the laptop still, so could use it to trigger samples, loops etc if just using the cdjs as a live inputs. Same as an S4
Kristofer Krauel 02.09.2012	Originally Posted by mwn11 If you could stretch or save a little bit more id get the 900's if you want to use them directly linked to traktor due too the Advanced HID. Although If you were going to use timecode or even just put your music onto a usb and play through that, i.e. no Traktor i feel then the cost would be harder to justify. Wait until the 6th anyway. Suspected announcement of new CDJS from Pioneer. Which if true will push the price of the current range down. I wouldn't count on it. They may push down the cost of the current 2000's - marginally - but if the rumours are true and the new release is an updated 2000 then I cant see it having any effect whatsoever on the 850's or 900's.
Ossie Pooley 02.09.2012	Well my student loan doesn't come in until the 17th anyway. =P If I really want to get to grips with CDJs as the industry standard, should I stand clear of laptops and just use USB drives? Will they work with the VCI 400 as a standalone mixer or will I need to buy a new mixer?
Arla Seniw 02.09.2012	If you could stretch or save a little bit more id get the 900's if you want to use them directly linked to traktor due too the Advanced HID. Although If you were going to use timecode or even just put your music onto a usb and play through that, i.e. no Traktor i feel then the cost would be harder to justify. Wait until the 6th anyway. Suspected announcement of new CDJS from Pioneer. Which if true will push the price of the current range down.
Ossie Pooley 02.09.2012	Originally Posted by mwn11 are you getting them so you get used industry standard hardware? Exactly that. I'm getting them simply for the fact that they're the cheapest industry standard CDJs that I can find. I'm not sure how well they'd integrate with Traktor though. How much better would the 900s be? Would it be worth the extra 500?
Arla Seniw 02.09.2012	No not at all. Ive not read about using them through Midi, but i believe most of the controls are mappable. I envy you being able to afford Pioneer cdjs are controllers though haha. Will you be using any cds swell to justify the cdj's? or are you getting them so you get used industry standard hardware?
Ossie Pooley 02.09.2012	I was planning on using MIDI. Is that a bad move?
Arla Seniw 02.09.2012	Are you going to be using timecode instead then?

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