New set up ???s DJM850 VS DB:2
New set up ???s DJM850 VS DB:2 Posted on: 20.01.2013 by Divina Mariscal Hello, so I'm contempalting a new rig and have a few questions I'd like some feed back on. Firstly, is I'm thnking of heading down the CDJ/Mixer route. So what's the big deal?? Well I'm completely ignorant of the things(CDJs) since I started w/ Vinyl in 98 and right about when the cdjs came on the seen I checked out. Fast foreword to 2009 I decided to start playing again and picked up a VCI-100 and Traktor. I've had alot of fun playing house (west coast and chicago), and I have also picked up a few weddings and am planning on doing more. I also have a chance to play w/ some old friends at a club or two. Im believeing a pair of used CDJ 900s and a mixer DJM850 or DB:2. This would be perfect for club practice and also make my wedding gigs look and sound great. It would also let me dust of the old tt's and play some records. This all sounds fine and good but its gonna cost me. Should I just wait for the new S4 and plug the tts into it? Seems a liitle cheesey to me... Or simply, what are the Pros and Cons of Mixer/TTs compared to Controler/TTs for one who who plays house music and hopefully high end weddings. Which brings me to the second part of the debate. Traktor intagration. I see it w/ the controller and the 850 as everything covered but how would the DB:2 work w/ TSP? Why do I like the DB:2? I don't know exactly, I believe for the money and my needs its the best mixer out there. Pioneer could be sweet too. If the DB:2 was scatch certified it would be a no brainer. Its got a sound card so I won't need an audio 6 or anything right?? I'll just be using midi vs. HID w/ traktor. Prolly not a big deal for a guy playing house and weddings??? Would I need an Audio 6 w/ the DJM 850 the tts to run Time code? Looks like the 900s are signifantly better than the 850s Yes? Worth the money? Traktor? are the 850s scratch certified?? I got some money and want some nice gear but don't want to over spend. If there is anything else i'm missing feel free. School is now in session. Thanks! DJTT | |
| Divina Mariscal 23.01.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
"Don't be too quick to rule out a DJM mixer, it does have its advantages over the DB:2. Do you have any stores nearby where you can try out gear ?" I Can't easily look at these mixers in person. 2 hours each way to a big box store where they seem more interested in impressing me than educating me... Don't really have in friends near by who mix either so I depending on you all thanks! |
| Divina Mariscal 20.01.2013 | Hello, so I'm contempalting a new rig and have a few questions I'd like some feed back on. Firstly, is I'm thnking of heading down the CDJ/Mixer route. So what's the big deal?? Well I'm completely ignorant of the things(CDJs) since I started w/ Vinyl in 98 and right about when the cdjs came on the seen I checked out. Fast foreword to 2009 I decided to start playing again and picked up a VCI-100 and Traktor. I've had alot of fun playing house (west coast and chicago), and I have also picked up a few weddings and am planning on doing more. I also have a chance to play w/ some old friends at a club or two. Im believeing a pair of used CDJ 900s and a mixer DJM850 or DB:2. This would be perfect for club practice and also make my wedding gigs look and sound great. It would also let me dust of the old tt's and play some records. This all sounds fine and good but its gonna cost me. Should I just wait for the new S4 and plug the tts into it? Seems a liitle cheesey to me... Or simply, what are the Pros and Cons of Mixer/TTs compared to Controler/TTs for one who who plays house music and hopefully high end weddings. Which brings me to the second part of the debate. Traktor intagration. I see it w/ the controller and the 850 as everything covered but how would the DB:2 work w/ TSP? Why do I like the DB:2? I don't know exactly, I believe for the money and my needs its the best mixer out there. Pioneer could be sweet too. If the DB:2 was scatch certified it would be a no brainer. Its got a sound card so I won't need an audio 6 or anything right?? I'll just be using midi vs. HID w/ traktor. Prolly not a big deal for a guy playing house and weddings??? Would I need an Audio 6 w/ the DJM 850 the tts to run Time code? Looks like the 900s are signifantly better than the 850s Yes? Worth the money? Traktor? are the 850s scratch certified?? I got some money and want some nice gear but don't want to over spend. If there is anything else i'm missing feel free. School is now in session. Thanks! DJTT |
| Alphonso Deitchman 23.01.2013 | The upgrade kit is only for NI sound cards and certified mixers because those are the only devices officially allowed to use Timecode. Whether or not you use workarounds/hacks is up to you; I've never researched it much so I'm not sure it would be guaranteed to work for future versions of Traktor. You'll still need to buy a Traktor Pro license to upgrade to Scratch with btw. If you want to get good practice for a club environment then the Pioneer mixers have a clear advantage. If you want timecode to work smoothly without any workarounds then the DJM 850/900 both have that advantage. If you are just doing mobile gigs and don't have a problem using the workarounds for the DB2, or would consider geting a NI interface, then the Xone could work well for you. The upgrade kit is showing as "Will ship in one to two days" for me; I guess it may change depending on region. |
| Divina Mariscal 23.01.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
"Don't be too quick to rule out a DJM mixer, it does have its advantages over the DB:2. Do you have any stores nearby where you can try out gear ?" I Can't easily look at these mixers in person. 2 hours each way to a big box store where they seem more interested in impressing me than educating me... Don't really have in friends near by who mix either so I depending on you all thanks! |
| Alphonso Deitchman 23.01.2013 | The Traktor Scratch upgrade kit is now in stock here: http://www.native-instruments.com/#/...1303&page=2850 Don't be too quick to rule out a DJM mixer, it does have its advantages over the DB:2. Do you have any stores nearby where you can try out gear ? |
| Divina Mariscal 23.01.2013 | I See said the blind man as he picked up his hammer and saw. So ultimately I've decided I want the DB:2, TTs, ,TSP and x1 to start and then add some cdj 900s when I can pick up a used set for a good price. How the hell do i get my hands on TSP in the mean time? buy the Audio 6, keep the software and sell the sound card??? You see thats why it was so perfect, any decks plugged into any mixer. Then midi let all the controllers control all the software. Now i got some company tell me what kind of mixer to buy to play my music. Not cool! Not to mention NI has gotten plenty of dough form me over the last few years. will NI sell me the TSP upgrade if I own used 900s?? I wanna to buy their sofware but if they won't sell it to me I guess I have to.... |
| Harley Zitka 22.01.2013 | Yeah man... if you are getting CDJ-900's, just ignore the whole "Traktor Scratch" thing. You don't need Traktor Scratch Pro or timecode CD's if you run the CDJ's in HID mode. So getting a Traktor Scratch certified mixer is pointless. CDJ-900's and any mixer will work just fine. |
| Tamela Batara 22.01.2013 | The DJM 850 route (as all the routes you are looking at), is external mixing mode. You are correct, the CDJ's are acting only as controllers in this arrangement. Something that realistically could be done with the NI X1 rather than expensive CDJ's in all reality. I could be doing this with my reloop controller instead of the 1210's (the reloop also has a wee jog wheel), but it really isn't the same feel. No tsi for DB2 in traktor required. I have PM'd you But you dont need timecodes or scratch certification for using newer CDJ's. They have tsi files that allow them to be used as controllers, and are essentially just plug and play (with a few setting adjustments). |
| Divina Mariscal 21.01.2013 | Thanks for the thoughts everyone! So it sounds like the 900's are the way to go as far as CDJs are conserned. Also sounds like the DJM 850/900 would serve all my needs well. However, I am very intrigued w/ the idea of using the DB:2 w/ my TTs to run Traktor... Mr. xs seems to be on to something. Could I do this easily this with a Tsi for the DB:2 or is it more involved??? I don't I have the ability or deisre to map it myself but if there is something I could download I believe I would be a happy boy. Any other ideas for using the DB:2 w/ software?? I know the CDJ 900s have sound cards as well. Is there a work around to the lack of certification for the DB there? Alright alright. I believe im missing thr boat here w/ the whole external mix3r traktor setup. so traktor is just for your music, the mixing done in your high dollar mixer. slim line controler for transport and the like unlees paired w/ cdj 900. with the cdj 900, HID controls of the deck controls but we are still using external mixer to "mix". I get it I believe. I thought this was going to be easy... so w/ the djm850 being scratch certified plugged into your laptop. Is that internal mixing or external or what ever you want? |
| Tamela Batara 21.01.2013 | Is the reason for using Traktor not for Timecodes though? Anyway, CDJ 900's for definite. Their HID support with Traktor and, more importantly, Pro DJ link with Rekordbox means they are way ahead of the CDJ 850. I am currently holding off buying the 900's myself to see if there will be a CDJ 900 Nexus release coming soon. I had the CDJ 350's, as, like you, I was coming back into DJ-ing after a LONG absence from it. I don't regret getting the players, as I didn't want to shell out so much money on top gear to find I wasn't getting back into it. But I did feel they were lacking the features you can only get with the 900 as a minimum. As for the mixer. I was in almost the same situation there too. I sold my DJM 800 to get the 900. Then when I went to physically look at the mixers, I realised there just wasn't enough of an upgrade in that. Not for the extra money involved. The shop I went to had the DB2 set-up, and I was VERY impressed. For a lot less money than the 900, it seemed to be way ahead in terms of features and effects. I went home and did some research. Ended up blowing the budget completely and getting a DB4 instead. I do not regret it for a second. By far the best DJ related purchase I have ever made. Wouldn't swap it for a DJM 900 if you paid me. Not for any Pioneer mixer. Okay, neither the DB4 or DB2 are scratch certified. This is true. However there are ways around this, and I have been successfully running TSP 2.6 using timecoded vinyl through the DB4 soundcard for a few months now without a glitch. It is worth noting that this isn't the most "legal" way to do it, however, I have purchased a TSP license, so they still have my money. I just wish they wouldn't force me down the route I have had to take in order to do what the hardware and software are clearly capable of doing. As you will be going timecodes anyway, it might be worth getting just the mixer just now, and running the TT's with timecodes. You may find this is enough for you. I certainly don't feel I NEED the CDJ 900's, as I have 4 x 1210's running timecode, and a Reloop controller for transport functions. But I do WANT the 900's (or 2000's) just because thats the way I'm built, lol. But I do VERY much enjoy the feel of playing my tunes on TT's. It feels just like the old days. |
| Jeffrey Akinsanya 21.01.2013 | if you get the 900's you dont really need traktor just use Rekord box... |
| Arla Seniw 21.01.2013 | Yeah, i just didn't get this line. "if your going to use mainly traktor i would go for cdj 850 + djm 850." Surely if your going to mainly use traktor get CDJ 900's as timecode will never be as accurate as HID and you will loose things like the looping? |
| Alphonso Deitchman 21.01.2013 | The DJM 850 is Scratch Certified so you wouldn't need an Audio 6 for using turntable timecode. The CDJ 850s are not compatible with Traktor using Advanced HID, only the CDJ 900/2000 are. |
| Arla Seniw 21.01.2013 | You don't need the djm850 if your going to use Traktor. You can plug the 900's straight in (i believe, the 2000's definitely) and not need to use Scratch/Timecodes and can use any mixer. EDIT: Yes 900's can just use HID |
| Mimi Mahaffee 21.01.2013 | hey there, I would definately go cdj 900/2000 over 850 if i were able to because they have pro link (you can store all your files on a 3,5 inch 500gb drive and plug it in 1 of the players but play the files on both players). This u cant do with the 850. djm 850 is in my opinion good value for the money and it is traktor scratch certified which the db2 isnt so if your going to use traktor the 850 is definately better. if your going to use mainly traktor i would go for cdj 850 + djm 850. If u are not going to use traktor i would go for cdj 900 and either djm 850 or db2. If you want a good setup but dont want to involve a computor i recommend cdj 2000 and djm 900 nexus because they integrate very well with beat effects, and info thruugh the players via pro dj link. So it just boils down how you are going to use them! |
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