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Traktor Pro 3.0 ? [The Speculation Thread]
Posted on: 01.10.2013 by Hayden Raugh
So with the X1 mk2, S4 mk2 and now Maschine Studio and Maschine 2.0 (software)....

Do we anticipate/expect Traktor pro/scratch pro 3.0 soon...

I hope they do and haven't forgotten about traktor, I do also feel its due a big upgrade soon whereas the mk2 Maschine are only a year old...
Evalyn Voges
08.10.2013
Originally Posted by Stewe
I didn't show it in vid but yeah, it works exactly like that. Pressing the sequence buttons will result in that scenario.
Ohhh.
Kellie Myrum
08.10.2013
Originally Posted by happydan
Sort of, but I imagine it more like a sequencer layout to make it easy to use.
I didn't show it in vid but yeah, it works exactly like that. Pressing the sequence buttons will result in that scenario.
Evalyn Voges
07.10.2013
Originally Posted by Stewe
Something like this?

Sort of, but I imagine it more like a sequencer layout to make it easy to use.
Alphonso Deitchman
06.10.2013
Originally Posted by JayRuss
but i reckon they will eventually go down the route of trying to replace your cdj/djm900 setup
Wasn't that the S4?
Kellie Myrum
06.10.2013
Originally Posted by happydan
I'd like to see some sort of effects sequencer. It would be very nice to have an 8 bar loop and have a beatmasher on the final beat. You could do some pretty cool things with it.
Something like this?

Armando Waithour
05.10.2013		SHUFFLE MODE!

no, seriously. i
Dannie Dimora
05.10.2013		Traktor pro 3.
I see it coming out with an S8, with two LCD screens on top of the jogs,
Johnsie Kingrea
03.10.2013
Originally Posted by derschnitter
A software company, that drastically reduced the price of their top selling softwares, used to give out their software for free when you buy their hardware and has completely changed the hardware market within the last three years. I agree with you that stand-alone-controllers would easily take away sales from the traditional Traktor setup, but it would still be NIs technology. If they hadn't started to throw out their software, I would totally share your opinion, but now I believe it's going towards a complete approach which enables the user to get an all-in-one-solution by NI.
The big money is waiting in the hardware market, especially since hardware cannot be pirated and NI is just following the trends. They WILL HAVE to create all-in-one solutions, because the competition hasn't stopped and Pioneer would be glad to be the first company to introduce such controllers. Of course, they are known for CDJs and mixers, but the future lies within controllers and they have already started to bring out stand-alone-controllers, although they are not the best.
NI is the industry's innovation leader and they have to keep their advance to be able to survive on the long-term.
I believe either market in isolation is flawed. Software alone has the con's of being easily pirated so you lose out on profits there. Hardware is limited by what it is shipped with. Take the MPC 5000 for example, back in 2008 the memory was expandable up to 192MB. And you were limited to the screen on the MPC. Now look at Maschine a hardware/software combo. There has been tons of new features added in 4 years all while having the same hardware. Since Maschine isn't limited by hardware that means any additional RAM, Storage, or CPU upgrades you make will only make Maschine faster and as we've seen in the 2.0 update it can now take advantage of multi core CPU's. I believe more companies are starting to see the benefit of this hardware/software combo. Look at Ableton with Push, now they can make money off hardware/software instead of losing money to people who would just pirate Ableton.

I believe we'll see Traktor units that have Maschine like screens in the near future but the laptop will still drive the software in the background.

03.10.2013		Didn't NI stop doing or attending Trade Shows?

Not saying they won't near that time, but I believe they pretty much release stuff on their own schedule these days with all the bloggers getting the press and 'behind the scenes' and 'first looks' out for them. Much cheaper.

bb
Qiana Castellucci
02.10.2013
Originally Posted by ReggieUK
If they've already put a couple of LCDs on the device, there is probably an arm cpu core of some description running them, they've almost made it standalone as it is, just haven't provided the software side of things. The only issue with doing that would be processing power, it's simple enough to provide an interface that can poke out stereo audio but the cpu power needed for effects etc. might be more of an issue.
Hence my suggestion of the sharc chips - you can run a LOT of plugins on a few of these....
Evalyn Voges
08.10.2013
Originally Posted by Stewe
I didn't show it in vid but yeah, it works exactly like that. Pressing the sequence buttons will result in that scenario.
Ohhh.
Kellie Myrum
08.10.2013
Originally Posted by happydan
Sort of, but I imagine it more like a sequencer layout to make it easy to use.
I didn't show it in vid but yeah, it works exactly like that. Pressing the sequence buttons will result in that scenario.
Evalyn Voges
07.10.2013
Originally Posted by Stewe
Something like this?

Sort of, but I imagine it more like a sequencer layout to make it easy to use.
Alphonso Deitchman
06.10.2013
Originally Posted by JayRuss
but i reckon they will eventually go down the route of trying to replace your cdj/djm900 setup
Wasn't that the S4?
Jenna Skeem
06.10.2013		and im just sat here still using traktor pro 2.0.

but i reckon they will eventually go down the route of trying to replace your cdj/djm900 setup, if they do it without the laptop i dont reckon it will happen for a couple of years.
Kellie Myrum
06.10.2013
Originally Posted by happydan
I'd like to see some sort of effects sequencer. It would be very nice to have an 8 bar loop and have a beatmasher on the final beat. You could do some pretty cool things with it.
Something like this?

Evalyn Voges
06.10.2013		I'd like to see some sort of effects sequencer. It would be very nice to have an 8 bar loop and have a beatmasher on the final beat. You could do some pretty cool things with it.
Armando Waithour
05.10.2013		SHUFFLE MODE!

no, seriously. i
Dannie Dimora
05.10.2013		Traktor pro 3.
I see it coming out with an S8, with two LCD screens on top of the jogs,
Belen Wermes
05.10.2013		i hope they team up with a proper hardware manufacturer for Traktor Pro 3 like Pioneer, Numark or Denon.

Traktor deserves controller options on par with NS7-II and DDJ-SX
Johnsie Kingrea
03.10.2013
Originally Posted by derschnitter
A software company, that drastically reduced the price of their top selling softwares, used to give out their software for free when you buy their hardware and has completely changed the hardware market within the last three years. I agree with you that stand-alone-controllers would easily take away sales from the traditional Traktor setup, but it would still be NIs technology. If they hadn't started to throw out their software, I would totally share your opinion, but now I believe it's going towards a complete approach which enables the user to get an all-in-one-solution by NI.
The big money is waiting in the hardware market, especially since hardware cannot be pirated and NI is just following the trends. They WILL HAVE to create all-in-one solutions, because the competition hasn't stopped and Pioneer would be glad to be the first company to introduce such controllers. Of course, they are known for CDJs and mixers, but the future lies within controllers and they have already started to bring out stand-alone-controllers, although they are not the best.
NI is the industry's innovation leader and they have to keep their advance to be able to survive on the long-term.
I believe either market in isolation is flawed. Software alone has the con's of being easily pirated so you lose out on profits there. Hardware is limited by what it is shipped with. Take the MPC 5000 for example, back in 2008 the memory was expandable up to 192MB. And you were limited to the screen on the MPC. Now look at Maschine a hardware/software combo. There has been tons of new features added in 4 years all while having the same hardware. Since Maschine isn't limited by hardware that means any additional RAM, Storage, or CPU upgrades you make will only make Maschine faster and as we've seen in the 2.0 update it can now take advantage of multi core CPU's. I believe more companies are starting to see the benefit of this hardware/software combo. Look at Ableton with Push, now they can make money off hardware/software instead of losing money to people who would just pirate Ableton.

I believe we'll see Traktor units that have Maschine like screens in the near future but the laptop will still drive the software in the background.

03.10.2013		Didn't NI stop doing or attending Trade Shows?

Not saying they won't near that time, but I believe they pretty much release stuff on their own schedule these days with all the bloggers getting the press and 'behind the scenes' and 'first looks' out for them. Much cheaper.

bb
Olimpia Briden
03.10.2013		I hadn't spotted you'd mentioned sharc, indeed, that'd be pretty powerful, although I'm now not sure how arm chips might fit in, I know they can tailor the software but they're really looking at an rtos to run it on or doing baremetal, then again, those screens could be run with a cortex-m3/4 easily enough, so they probably are already, you wouldn't want the overhead of a full blown os messing with your audio bits in something that small.

I really don't see it being too long before someone does something (commercially) that has a full 'thing' inside it. I've been believeing of using one of the arm boards that I mess with for a controller, mini2440, tiny6410 and mini210S, I've got various screens for them, 3.5" resistive touch, 4.3" res. touch, 7" res touch and a 7" cap touch, pretty sure they've all got an 8x8 keyboard matrix built onto the chip too, all of them run linux, all of them run samsung chips, I believe the 2440 is a 400Mhz s3c2440 arm9, the 6410 is a 533Mhz s3c6410 arm1176 and the 210 is a 1Ghz s5pv210 arm cortex-a8. The 210 board will run android ICS as well, all have as open as possible source code.

At the moment though, none of them seem to run mixxx too well, so it may be that I can just use one as a midi controller with some kind of function editing utility built in and utilise the USB gadget drivers built into linux, it would need minimal hardware setup, just a breakout for the 8x8 keyboard matrix and a bit of software to interpret the button inputs and interface with the virtual midi port that the 'usb gadget' driver will setup.
Qiana Castellucci
02.10.2013
Originally Posted by ReggieUK
If they've already put a couple of LCDs on the device, there is probably an arm cpu core of some description running them, they've almost made it standalone as it is, just haven't provided the software side of things. The only issue with doing that would be processing power, it's simple enough to provide an interface that can poke out stereo audio but the cpu power needed for effects etc. might be more of an issue.
Hence my suggestion of the sharc chips - you can run a LOT of plugins on a few of these....
Olimpia Briden
02.10.2013		If they've already put a couple of LCDs on the device, there is probably an arm cpu core of some description running them, they've almost made it standalone as it is, just haven't provided the software side of things. The only issue with doing that would be processing power, it's simple enough to provide an interface that can poke out stereo audio but the cpu power needed for effects etc. might be more of an issue.
Qiana Castellucci
02.10.2013		I could easily envisage NI coming out with a controller with tech along the lines of the new valve game controller. Package a mixer/controller with a linux OS and recode Traktor to live on that, then add something like sharc chips for reprogrammable FX and ancilliaries (similar to UAD or Creamware Pulsar hardware).

Then you'd have an upgradeable OS, with programmable addable FX and processing in one box.
Matt Kane
02.10.2013		i
Rhonda Auriemma
02.10.2013
Originally Posted by kooper1980
I believe LCD screens will be the next step but i wouldnt bank on NI releasing hardware that doesnt need a laptop. They are a software company first and foremost.
A software company, that drastically reduced the price of their top selling softwares, used to give out their software for free when you buy their hardware and has completely changed the hardware market within the last three years. I agree with you that stand-alone-controllers would easily take away sales from the traditional Traktor setup, but it would still be NIs technology. If they hadn't started to throw out their software, I would totally share your opinion, but now I believe it's going towards a complete approach which enables the user to get an all-in-one-solution by NI.
The big money is waiting in the hardware market, especially since hardware cannot be pirated and NI is just following the trends. They WILL HAVE to create all-in-one solutions, because the competition hasn't stopped and Pioneer would be glad to be the first company to introduce such controllers. Of course, they are known for CDJs and mixers, but the future lies within controllers and they have already started to bring out stand-alone-controllers, although they are not the best.
NI is the industry's innovation leader and they have to keep their advance to be able to survive on the long-term.
Kristofer Krauel
02.10.2013
Originally Posted by b1sh0p
Once you start adding LCD screens to controllers and talking about a Z4, you're talking about a serious investment for a set up that's not club standard. That set up will be really expensive for your bedroom and you're not going to want to take that much gear to a club and start rearranging the booth. I just don't know how practical it would be.
agreed.
Sonja Roybal
02.10.2013		Once you start adding LCD screens to controllers and talking about a Z4, you're talking about a serious investment for a set up that's not club standard. That set up will be really expensive for your bedroom and you're not going to want to take that much gear to a club and start rearranging the booth. I just don't know how practical it would be.
Rochel Gleese
02.10.2013		I'm not going to buy any more NI DJ gear until they have the same displays as Maschine Studio, they look sick!
Kristofer Krauel
02.10.2013		The minute people are allowed to plug usb's into Native Instruments hardware is the day that Traktor will be no more. For this reason it wont happen.

I believe LCD screens will be the next step but i wouldnt bank on NI releasing hardware that doesnt need a laptop. They are a software company first and foremost.
Cristina Hoston
02.10.2013
Originally Posted by jdownesbaird
I still believe that's too soon for NI to abandon the laptop and make a standalone controller
Just like the Maschine Studio, it will probably need the laptop to run but will likely use LCD screens to minimize the need to look at the laptop. I'd personally love to have something with the power of digital without having to plug it into your computer but that's probably not going to happen just yet. However they might have some sort of system in place so only one laptop is needed and multiple DJs can just bring their usb and plug-and-play like the CDJ series does. This is already doable in traktor but it can get a bit messy.
Delena Katherman
02.10.2013
Originally Posted by Robert Wulfman
"I predict that around the 2014 NAMM show we will see Traktor 3 announced with the Z4 mixer and a single deck controller (with these screens, among other features) obviously designed to replace the CDJ and DJM and will likely work without the computer, possibly using something similar to Rekordbox.
I still believe that's too soon for NI to abandon the laptop and make a standalone controller. Doesn't seem practical, since everyone has a laptop/iPad and NI are software experts. I don't see the benefit right now.
Nedra Fresneda
02.10.2013		TDJS 3.4 fo life!
Cristina Hoston
01.10.2013		I posted this earlier in the comment thread of the Digital DJ Tips article about the Maschine Studio.

"I predict that around the 2014 NAMM show we will see Traktor 3 announced with the Z4 mixer and a single deck controller (with these screens, among other features) obviously designed to replace the CDJ and DJM and will likely work without the computer, possibly using something similar to Rekordbox. The software will also include features from the iPad app like x/y effects and freeze mode and integration with the Maschine 2.0 software/hardware. we might also see changes to the controller editor including the ability to order commands into a sequence and additional modifiers and conditions.

Not all of these predictions may come true but I suspect that NI will probably announce something at the next NAMM show Traktor related."

Also Elastic beatgridding would be great and maybe even an inbuilt warping engine like Ableton has. I guess we'll have to wait until Janurary (If not later)
nayit ruiz jaramillo
01.10.2013
Originally Posted by ReggieUK
doesn't traktor 3 already exist on mac? Isn't it really old though?
Originally Posted by Stewe
I believe that OP title refers to Pro 3.
Thread title changed for version clarity (and description).
Fannie Ohayre
01.10.2013
Originally Posted by city_boy07
Speak for yourself stewe were not all mapping gods like yourself...

Just hoping for the grids to be elastic that's all I really want! Maybe native Maschine support too
+1000!
It would be great to grid all of those old tracks with live drummers.
Kellie Myrum
01.10.2013
Originally Posted by ReggieUK
doesn't traktor 3 already exist on mac? Isn't it really old though?
I believe that OP title refers to Pro 3.
Olimpia Briden
01.10.2013		doesn't traktor 3 already exist on mac? Isn't it really old though?

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