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Audio 6 and multi cores
Posted on: 24.05.2012 by Evie Baghdasarian
Do the multi cores still work with the audio 6? I thought I read somewhere they did not and cant find it now. The person I bought the audio 6 off of said they do so I'm not sure.

Also is there any advantage to using the multi cores over std rca's??
Romelia Stankard
31.05.2012
Originally Posted by mostapha
Right…hence needing the extension cable.

And the couplers, since everything's male and so are the cables coming off the turntable.

Gay sex/marriage is all well and good for people if that's what you/they're into……but it doesn't work so well with cables without adapters of some sort.
He's talking about replacing the stock cables entirely so there would be two sets of cables attached to the table.
Romelia Stankard
29.05.2012
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
Huh, you can get pre-made Y shaped cables? I should look into that.
Probably, I know I've seen them at one point but I'm not seeing any from a quick search.
Romelia Stankard
29.05.2012
Originally Posted by Patch
Okay - my soldering kit has turned up! Is there a reason NOT to solder in 2 SETS of output cables from 1210's?
Depends how you do it. You would have to make a Y cable where one single lead would get soldered to the board and then it would split outside the technics housing so it could make use of the cable clamp and the tight space in the housing- and then you run into durability depending on your soldering and cable making skills like what mrpoppinjay was asking about how to make the junction in the cable.

Best bet is to find a decent premade dual Y cable to use if one exists.
Dorie Scelzo
29.05.2012
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
Yes but how would you wrap it? Normally I'd just stick some heat shrink tubing over it but I'm not sure that's the best solution with a y shape.
I'd just get wires that are small enough gauge to stuff 2 in the end of the connector, then shrink them both individually and around both of them with a different size.

I keep meaning to make them, but my SL1 already will let me switch with the line/phono switch while a computer's plugged in, and about a week ago, I got the bug to just play vinyl (while my computer was doing something else) and just plugged them straight in and haven't put it back yet, so……yeah……
Hipolito Scionti
28.05.2012
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Does the A6 and A10 work like the new SL boxes now?

With my Sl3 if I just unplugged the USB cable from the computer it would instantly switch to thru mode with the ac adapter connected. I know on the A6 and A10 you can set the thru mode in the soundcard control panel but what happens if you yank the cord out?

The way the new SL cards do it makes the most sense to me- not a fan of the SL1 method or no thru option on the card itself at all on the A8 without running through traktor or using splitters.
Yes they do exactly
Kiyoko Wellisch
01.06.2012		I recently sniped some multicores on ebay- I gotta say I like them. I really like how they separate in the middle.

One thing thing I would like changed though- there's a short cable to the 7 pin socket on the soundcard segment and a long one on the mixer segment. I'd much rather it was the other way around so when there's no soundcard attached you didn't have this pointlessly large cable behind your mixer.
Brunilda Kora
31.05.2012		Yup. I already use splitters - with no problems. Just trying to AVOID using splitters...
Romelia Stankard
31.05.2012
Originally Posted by mostapha
Right…hence needing the extension cable.

And the couplers, since everything's male and so are the cables coming off the turntable.

Gay sex/marriage is all well and good for people if that's what you/they're into……but it doesn't work so well with cables without adapters of some sort.
He's talking about replacing the stock cables entirely so there would be two sets of cables attached to the table.
Dorie Scelzo
31.05.2012		Right…hence needing the extension cable.

And the couplers, since everything's male and so are the cables coming off the turntable.

Gay sex/marriage is all well and good for people if that's what you/they're into……but it doesn't work so well with cables without adapters of some sort.
Brunilda Kora
30.05.2012		something like this:



Looks like it even has a ground cable attached. Only problem is, this one splits the left into 2 lefts, and the right into 2 rights. No good unless your mixer and AI are VERY close to each other... (But not really a problem if you're gonna solder to the board anyway...)
Romelia Stankard
30.05.2012		I meant a double Y cable. As in a pair of RCA male connectors that splits to two pairs of RCA male connectors. I've seen them before just can't find any now.
Dorie Scelzo
30.05.2012		There definitely are y-cables. I have a small pile of them.

The biggest issue with y-cables is that they end up really weird lengths for using them like that, and you get to a point where you're using 2 y cablees, 2 F-F couplers and 2 extension cable (F on one side, M on the other) per deck, which is a lot of things to lose or break.

If you basically just solder things together and your soldering skills are decent, it'd at least be more robust…and there'd only be 2 things to collect at the end of the evening instead of 12 things that might get separated if you're a bit quick unplugging or if someone else "helps you".
Brunilda Kora
30.05.2012
Originally Posted by popinjay
Cowardice? :P
Says the man that was afraid to stick some heat shrink on a couple of cables!
Brunilda Kora
30.05.2012		Thanks Xone - I must admit, I'd intended to solder BOTH cables directly to the board, and deal with the space issues the best way I could.
Romelia Stankard
29.05.2012
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
Huh, you can get pre-made Y shaped cables? I should look into that.
Probably, I know I've seen them at one point but I'm not seeing any from a quick search.
Kiyoko Wellisch
29.05.2012		Huh, you can get pre-made Y shaped cables? I should look into that.
Romelia Stankard
29.05.2012
Originally Posted by Patch
Okay - my soldering kit has turned up! Is there a reason NOT to solder in 2 SETS of output cables from 1210's?
Depends how you do it. You would have to make a Y cable where one single lead would get soldered to the board and then it would split outside the technics housing so it could make use of the cable clamp and the tight space in the housing- and then you run into durability depending on your soldering and cable making skills like what mrpoppinjay was asking about how to make the junction in the cable.

Best bet is to find a decent premade dual Y cable to use if one exists.
Dorie Scelzo
29.05.2012		There is (cutting the input impedance that the cartridge is running into), but multicores work exactly the same way and they don't cause problems.
Kiyoko Wellisch
29.05.2012		Cowardice? :P
Brunilda Kora
29.05.2012		Okay - my soldering kit has turned up! Is there a reason NOT to solder in 2 SETS of output cables from 1210's?
Brunilda Kora
29.05.2012		I'm about get into this soldering larky - bought the kit, just waiting for it to arrive.

I'm SERIOUSLY considering a mod to one of the pairs of 1210's I've got, where I'll have DUAL interconnects coming out. 1 pair to go to the audio interface for DVS, and another pair to go directly into the phono in on the mixer.

Copyright Patch, 2012.

(Unless anyone can believe of a reason not to? Xone? Most?)
Dorie Scelzo
29.05.2012
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
Yes but how would you wrap it? Normally I'd just stick some heat shrink tubing over it but I'm not sure that's the best solution with a y shape.
I'd just get wires that are small enough gauge to stuff 2 in the end of the connector, then shrink them both individually and around both of them with a different size.

I keep meaning to make them, but my SL1 already will let me switch with the line/phono switch while a computer's plugged in, and about a week ago, I got the bug to just play vinyl (while my computer was doing something else) and just plugged them straight in and haven't put it back yet, so……yeah……
Hipolito Scionti
28.05.2012
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Does the A6 and A10 work like the new SL boxes now?

With my Sl3 if I just unplugged the USB cable from the computer it would instantly switch to thru mode with the ac adapter connected. I know on the A6 and A10 you can set the thru mode in the soundcard control panel but what happens if you yank the cord out?

The way the new SL cards do it makes the most sense to me- not a fan of the SL1 method or no thru option on the card itself at all on the A8 without running through traktor or using splitters.
Yes they do exactly
Kiyoko Wellisch
28.05.2012		Yes but how would you wrap it? Normally I'd just stick some heat shrink tubing over it but I'm not sure that's the best solution with a y shape.
Dorie Scelzo
28.05.2012		Solder. Start with raw cable and connectors.
Kiyoko Wellisch
28.05.2012		How do you make a clean 3 way join between cables?
Dorie Scelzo
28.05.2012		Build a copy. They're not exactly complicated.
Kiyoko Wellisch
28.05.2012		Since we're talking about multicores does anyone have a decent alternative? I'm using a handful of cheap RCA splitters but it's a huge mess. The NI cables would be sweet but I can believe of better uses of
Dorie Scelzo
27.05.2012		Yeah…there are reasons to like it.

I'm just saying there are a whole host of reasons it never caught on as well as SSL and TS.
Hermine Lally
27.05.2012
Originally Posted by mostapha
…and that it introduced short phase shifts that sounded horrid if the knob was anywhere but at its extreme positions.

…and that it had ridiculous sticker drift.

…and that the software kinda sucked compared to most of its competitors.

…and that it took years to get an update.

…and that' it's made by a company that obviously doesn't give a shit about DJs (I actually like Avid, but DJs don't matter compared to their other markets).
Not to hijack this thread and turn this into some debate about Torq...but I will say:

1. If you experienced phase shifts while using effects with the connectiv it was probably because you were mixing the analog input signal with the pass through from the computer...which is a no no. You're basically mixing a direct signal with a copy of same signal delayed by some milliseconds, so even at the lowest latency it's going to sound bad. You have to set the internal effects at 100% wet and only use the direct dry signal/knob on the connectiv. I've done plenty of live shows like that and it works perfectly.

2. I've haven't experience any noticeable sticker drift since Torq 1.5 or so. Then again, I also never use absolute (only relative mode) with timecode vinyl. I'll rock doubles a la mixtape style, but I don't do a lot of hardcore battle-style beat juggling.

3. I own Traktor and an Audio 6. I also have a Mixtrack Pro I use with VDJ, and I own a variety of different midi controllers. I've tried probably every DJ app on the market at one time or another. I still prefer Torq for my regular weekend gigs. I personally wouldn't say it sucks...to each his own I guess. Honestly, I'd use Traktor more if it had parallel waveforms. I live by parallel waveforms.
Dorie Scelzo
27.05.2012
Originally Posted by coolout
Too bad Torq didn't really catch on.
…and that it introduced short phase shifts that sounded horrid if the knob was anywhere but at its extreme positions.

…and that it had ridiculous sticker drift.

…and that the software kinda sucked compared to most of its competitors.

…and that it took years to get an update.

…and that' it's made by a company that obviously doesn't give a shit about DJs (I actually like Avid, but DJs don't matter compared to their other markets).
Hermine Lally
25.05.2012		I have an NI Audio 6, a Torq Connectiv, and regularly play with friends that use a Serato SL1 or SL3.

Honestly, I believe the best implementation was with the Torq box. It has a big ass knob to switch between the input and laptop signals. You just turn it one way or the other and it works as long as the interface is getting some sort of power, USB or AC. No switching in software or dealing with extra cables and routing.

It also works well using Torq software as an effects processor, since you to can apply the built-in effects (or VST) on the input signal (a vinyl record or the mic input) and you have a real analog wet/dry knob. Too bad Torq didn't really catch on.
Dorie Scelzo
25.05.2012
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
That's a little extreme isn't it? If you're not doing a lot of switching between vinyl and timecode there is no reason to carry around bulky multicores and fiddle with hooking up more stuff to a mixer and your soundcard.
Enh. 30 seconds worth of work once or having to actually touch the laptop in order to play vinyl. Meh.
Romelia Stankard
25.05.2012		Does the A6 and A10 work like the new SL boxes now?

With my Sl3 if I just unplugged the USB cable from the computer it would instantly switch to thru mode with the ac adapter connected. I know on the A6 and A10 you can set the thru mode in the soundcard control panel but what happens if you yank the cord out?

The way the new SL cards do it makes the most sense to me- not a fan of the SL1 method or no thru option on the card itself at all on the A8 without running through traktor or using splitters.
Reda Holdsworth
26.05.2012		Glad you posted this. I've been unplugging still.
Brunilda Kora
26.05.2012		Multicores were just dreamed up as something NI could sell.

I've wanted 'em for ages - but couldn't justify the cost (just because they look tidier than the maze of wires I've currently got!).

They don't ADD anything to my system. I've already got splitters installed so all I have to do is flip from phono/line on the mixer.

If you've got 'em, use 'em. If you're flipping between vinyl & timecode, that is.
Delila Vandommelen
26.05.2012
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
That's a little extreme isn't it? If you're not doing a lot of switching between vinyl and timecode there is no reason to carry around bulky multicores and fiddle with hooking up more stuff to a mixer and your soundcard.
My mate and I always use my multicores just as a safety net in case the laptop goes tits up (it never does, fingers crossed). I always have a dozen or so records in my bag for that and we mostly play venues with no extra CDJs lying around. At the one that does, I've got usb sticks loaded AND the multicores.
Typically we help setup right at the beginning and stay very late or until the end at our gigs, so I'd rather have everything set and not have to rewire the whole thing when we switch from/to the vinyl guys/if we're thrown in the loop with everyone else after we're done. Especially when you notice early on that the RCAs on one of the decks are a bit finicky and need lots of tweaking to get both channels coming through :P
The laptop is set to hibernate, the A8 remains plugged in and bob's your uncle.
Romelia Stankard
25.05.2012
Originally Posted by mostapha
And software pass through is fucking stupid. Use the multicores if you have them.

(edit: damnyouautocorrect)
That's a little extreme isn't it? If you're not doing a lot of switching between vinyl and timecode there is no reason to carry around bulky multicores and fiddle with hooking up more stuff to a mixer and your soundcard.
Dorie Scelzo
25.05.2012		Only use the phono input on a phono signal. If you send a line level signal (at any level) through a phono preamp, it'll sound like shit. Look up the riaa phono eq curve for why.

Also, multicolor cables are just cables that NI's marketing department decided to give a name and overcharge for. They'll always work to do what they do.

And software pass through is fucking stupid. Use the multicores if you have them.

(edit: damnyouautocorrect)
Marguerite Truka
25.05.2012
Originally Posted by jamthrax
Only problem with the audio 6 is that when you select thru the signal is super quiet have to push those gains right up
you could use the phono inputs and lower ur output in traktor, not realy ideal for audio quality but in a home eniveroment unless u got good monitors u wont notice a differnence

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