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Thinking Realistically (Traktor F1) Posted on: 28.05.2012 by Asha Kravetz It's pretty, It's got 16 RGB pads, But are you really going to use the thing? I'm considering jumping on the F1 but I have to ask myself, is it really worth $249 for control over remix decks and a potentially mappable piece of midi hardware? Then you have to ask yourself, can you see yourself gigging with the thing everyday? Then you weigh the plusses in. It completely revolutionizes one's workflow No longer are we limited to playing songs.... 64 samples in the banks means limitless possibility for live remixes. Taking pieces of tracks and acappellas and layering them to create an absolutely fantastic set showcasing the limit of what's possible. With utilities like the loop recorder available, the possibilities are limitless. I'm skeptical and still continue to be about jumping on this. However, I believe it's time to step up and get used to a new workflow as a dj, because there are miles of possibility ahead. Thoughts?
Elmer Kindinger 03.06.2012	Originally Posted by dj subculture The F1 is nice, but I don't even use the sample decks. Remix decks? Maybe in the future. +1 to this. I'm attracted by the colours but not for
Elmer Kindinger 03.06.2012	Originally Posted by dj subculture The F1 is nice, but I don't even use the sample decks. Remix decks? Maybe in the future. +1 to this. I'm attracted by the colours but not for
Elmer Kindinger 03.06.2012	Originally Posted by dj subculture The F1 is nice, but I don't even use the sample decks. Remix decks? Maybe in the future. +1 to this. I'm attracted by the colours but not for
Reda Holdsworth 07.06.2012	Originally Posted by scamo I'd say, with the new Mix Decks, NI IS trying to give digital DJs a new and serious tool to work with. And because it is new, it is met with a mix of emotions and attitudes towards it. Some people see potential, others don't. That is life and absolutely normal. I personally see a lot of potential and the surface is only being scratched at this point, even with 2.5 and the F1. And, at the least, NI has gotten a lot of people's eyes turned towards them and have raised a lot of interests, positive and negative. Either way, since people are looking more at them, this new release and tool certainly is good for NI. As I mentioned, the Mix Decks are a tool and like any tool, as long as the tool is good and serves its purpose well, it only takes some skill, some talent and some practice to become a professional with it. And Ean's very short video shows someone with skill, talent and a bit of time can use the mix decks to make great sounding, even new dance music, which is the goal of the Mix Decks, I would presume. I believe that 43 seconds of music sounded better than any of the current NI presentation videos. Nice job Ean and I can't wait to get my MF3Ds and the "bridge" software DJTT is producing for controlling the Mix Decks with the MF3D. I bet NI is steaming. But really, they shouldn't be. scamo Very nice job Ean! I got my F1 yesterday & have only had a chance to hook it up & mess around with it a bit. I'm not familiar with the midi fighter at all. So I have a question. Can you control the volume of the samples with it? If not, this is not a option for a DJ like me with a 2 channel mixer. The F1 has faders to control volume. Like I said I've played with it for 45 min tops & it's the first thing that came to mind after hooking it up & routing the sound. Props on the hack though! & so quickly done!
Dorie Scelzo 06.06.2012	Originally Posted by Traktor Lover Ableton is awesome and with the APC 40 it does make life easy but it feels that you are not really DJing with Ableton as it's too prepared but then again it is what you do and create I guess. It's also how you prepare. I never really had that complaint when I was running Ableton. At times, I was wondering why I bothered doing things life as opposed to just rendering edits and spinning with a DVS.
Rey Holubar 04.06.2012	Originally Posted by dj matt blaze Im contemplating an F1 now OOOOOOORRRRRRRR just wait a few months until NI lets you map the remix decks to any controller, either way until 1 of those 2 things happen, I'm back to 2.1.2 This is exactly what I was believeing too, but after watching several of the new NI tutorial videos and playing with 2.5 myself, I'd venture to say, nothing will match the F1 as a controller for the Mix Decks. And I actually believe NI now about them wanting to make sure the F1 integration was done right, before they concentrated on anything else, like mapping commands for the Mix Deck. They did put in a lot of hard work and thought into the F1 and also notice they didn't put in much thought for the Mix Decks even in their own controllers, like the S4. Using the Mix Decks with an S4 is even buggy. So, I am actually wanting to buy at least one F1, to see if I can master the Mix Decks with a proper controller. I also believe this adds a whole new facet for creativity to Traktor and "DJing", which I am also believing this descriptive word for people mixing music will soon need to be changed to something else. I don't know what, but if you are creating music with the mix decks and not just mixing two or more songs together, it just simply isn't "disc jockeying" anymore. (hope I don't get too many hate posts for that comment) scamo
Elmer Kindinger 03.06.2012	Originally Posted by dj subculture The F1 is nice, but I don't even use the sample decks. Remix decks? Maybe in the future. +1 to this. I'm attracted by the colours but not for
Asha Kravetz 02.06.2012	Originally Posted by dj matt blaze Im contemplating an F1 now OOOOOOORRRRRRRR just wait a few months until NI lets you map the remix decks to any controller, either way until 1 of those 2 things happen, I'm back to 2.1.2 Same thing. I depend on my S4 for gigs and 2.5 is a toy, not stable software.
Asha Kravetz 02.06.2012	Originally Posted by scamo And, after watching NI's new tutorial videos about the F1, I must say, they have put in a lot of believeing into this new tool. A lot of believeing. scamo It's so on the fence nowadays
Leeanna Ayla 30.05.2012	Originally Posted by jfd6812 I believe, to a large extent, the F1 is supposed to appeal to current Traktor users who haven't delved all the way into Abelton... ...because it's overly complicated and requires a lot more work than just firing up Traktor.
Reda Holdsworth 30.05.2012	Originally Posted by jfd6812 I believe, to a large extent, the F1 is supposed to appeal to current Traktor users who haven't delved all the way into Abelton. In other words, if you already use Traktor Scratch or Traktor + a controller, the F1 seems like a cool way to add this capability. Totally agree...
Eleonor Janski 07.06.2012	I'm believeing about getting it... Just so many possibilities with it. You can mix in 2,3,4 cut acapellas into a mix, or drop a beat into a vocal, work on a build up. But I rather wait a few months for all the bug's and all to be tweaked because I can guess there will still be plenty, including Traktor 2.5.
Lela Umanskaya 06.06.2012	The Midi Fighter Classic is user customizable, if you are handy with a soldering iron you could easily hack together a F2. Well, you'd have to be good at mapping as well.
Reda Holdsworth 07.06.2012	Originally Posted by scamo I'd say, with the new Mix Decks, NI IS trying to give digital DJs a new and serious tool to work with. And because it is new, it is met with a mix of emotions and attitudes towards it. Some people see potential, others don't. That is life and absolutely normal. I personally see a lot of potential and the surface is only being scratched at this point, even with 2.5 and the F1. And, at the least, NI has gotten a lot of people's eyes turned towards them and have raised a lot of interests, positive and negative. Either way, since people are looking more at them, this new release and tool certainly is good for NI. As I mentioned, the Mix Decks are a tool and like any tool, as long as the tool is good and serves its purpose well, it only takes some skill, some talent and some practice to become a professional with it. And Ean's very short video shows someone with skill, talent and a bit of time can use the mix decks to make great sounding, even new dance music, which is the goal of the Mix Decks, I would presume. I believe that 43 seconds of music sounded better than any of the current NI presentation videos. Nice job Ean and I can't wait to get my MF3Ds and the "bridge" software DJTT is producing for controlling the Mix Decks with the MF3D. I bet NI is steaming. But really, they shouldn't be. scamo Very nice job Ean! I got my F1 yesterday & have only had a chance to hook it up & mess around with it a bit. I'm not familiar with the midi fighter at all. So I have a question. Can you control the volume of the samples with it? If not, this is not a option for a DJ like me with a 2 channel mixer. The F1 has faders to control volume. Like I said I've played with it for 45 min tops & it's the first thing that came to mind after hooking it up & routing the sound. Props on the hack though! & so quickly done!
Dorie Scelzo 06.06.2012	Originally Posted by Traktor Lover Ableton is awesome and with the APC 40 it does make life easy but it feels that you are not really DJing with Ableton as it's too prepared but then again it is what you do and create I guess. It's also how you prepare. I never really had that complaint when I was running Ableton. At times, I was wondering why I bothered doing things life as opposed to just rendering edits and spinning with a DVS.
Darwin Roozeboom 06.06.2012	Ableton is awesome and with the APC 40 it does make life easy but it feels that you are not really DJing with Ableton as it's too prepared but then again it is what you do and create I guess.
Rey Holubar 04.06.2012	Originally Posted by dj matt blaze Im contemplating an F1 now OOOOOOORRRRRRRR just wait a few months until NI lets you map the remix decks to any controller, either way until 1 of those 2 things happen, I'm back to 2.1.2 This is exactly what I was believeing too, but after watching several of the new NI tutorial videos and playing with 2.5 myself, I'd venture to say, nothing will match the F1 as a controller for the Mix Decks. And I actually believe NI now about them wanting to make sure the F1 integration was done right, before they concentrated on anything else, like mapping commands for the Mix Deck. They did put in a lot of hard work and thought into the F1 and also notice they didn't put in much thought for the Mix Decks even in their own controllers, like the S4. Using the Mix Decks with an S4 is even buggy. So, I am actually wanting to buy at least one F1, to see if I can master the Mix Decks with a proper controller. I also believe this adds a whole new facet for creativity to Traktor and "DJing", which I am also believing this descriptive word for people mixing music will soon need to be changed to something else. I don't know what, but if you are creating music with the mix decks and not just mixing two or more songs together, it just simply isn't "disc jockeying" anymore. (hope I don't get too many hate posts for that comment) scamo
Elmer Kindinger 03.06.2012	Originally Posted by dj subculture The F1 is nice, but I don't even use the sample decks. Remix decks? Maybe in the future. +1 to this. I'm attracted by the colours but not for
Lela Umanskaya 03.06.2012	Got my F1 yesterday, just gotta learn how to use the damn thing. Sooo many functions, I give props to NI and I give even more props to the guys that are hacking the damn thing.
Asha Kravetz 02.06.2012	Originally Posted by dj matt blaze Im contemplating an F1 now OOOOOOORRRRRRRR just wait a few months until NI lets you map the remix decks to any controller, either way until 1 of those 2 things happen, I'm back to 2.1.2 Same thing. I depend on my S4 for gigs and 2.5 is a toy, not stable software.
Roseanna Signorini 02.06.2012	Im contemplating an F1 now OOOOOOORRRRRRRR just wait a few months until NI lets you map the remix decks to any controller, either way until 1 of those 2 things happen, I'm back to 2.1.2
Asha Kravetz 02.06.2012	Originally Posted by scamo And, after watching NI's new tutorial videos about the F1, I must say, they have put in a lot of believeing into this new tool. A lot of believeing. scamo It's so on the fence nowadays
Rey Holubar 02.06.2012	And, after watching NI's new tutorial videos about the F1, I must say, they have put in a lot of believeing into this new tool. A lot of believeing. scamo
Rey Holubar 01.06.2012	I'd say, with the new Mix Decks, NI IS trying to give digital DJs a new and serious tool to work with. And because it is new, it is met with a mix of emotions and attitudes towards it. Some people see potential, others don't. That is life and absolutely normal. I personally see a lot of potential and the surface is only being scratched at this point, even with 2.5 and the F1. And, at the least, NI has gotten a lot of people's eyes turned towards them and have raised a lot of interests, positive and negative. Either way, since people are looking more at them, this new release and tool certainly is good for NI. As I mentioned, the Mix Decks are a tool and like any tool, as long as the tool is good and serves its purpose well, it only takes some skill, some talent and some practice to become a professional with it. And Ean's very short video shows someone with skill, talent and a bit of time can use the mix decks to make great sounding, even new dance music, which is the goal of the Mix Decks, I would presume. I believe that 43 seconds of music sounded better than any of the current NI presentation videos. Nice job Ean and I can't wait to get my MF3Ds and the "bridge" software DJTT is producing for controlling the Mix Decks with the MF3D. I bet NI is steaming. But really, they shouldn't be. scamo
Asha Kravetz 01.06.2012	Is it the future, or is it some skanky marketing scheme to create useless products and draw away from the true core aspects of Dj'ing for the sake of profit?
Darwin Roozeboom 01.06.2012	The Traktor F1 is certainly a nice piece of eye candy but I like most of you am still not convinced that its worth the price tag to just use the remix decks. However this is another step forward in the future of digital DJing I guess and I really don't want to be left behind.
Romelia Stankard 30.05.2012	I get the point of the F1- I'm not going to buy one because I won't use it any time soon but if I was doing that type of DJing I would probably take it over ableton. Yeah ableton is more versatile and powerful but it is still inferior in a lot of ways when you are looking at it for DJing tracks which the ableton interface really is not suited for, at all. I prefer Traktor for a ton of reasons for the task of DJing, and if I wanted to play loops mixed in between full tracks in a regular DJ workflow I would get an F1 or two, but I don't.
Leeanna Ayla 30.05.2012	Originally Posted by jfd6812 I believe, to a large extent, the F1 is supposed to appeal to current Traktor users who haven't delved all the way into Abelton... ...because it's overly complicated and requires a lot more work than just firing up Traktor.
Reda Holdsworth 30.05.2012	Originally Posted by jfd6812 I believe, to a large extent, the F1 is supposed to appeal to current Traktor users who haven't delved all the way into Abelton. In other words, if you already use Traktor Scratch or Traktor + a controller, the F1 seems like a cool way to add this capability. Totally agree...
Onie Sarandos 30.05.2012	I believe, to a large extent, the F1 is supposed to appeal to current Traktor users who haven't delved all the way into Abelton. In other words, if you already use Traktor Scratch or Traktor + a controller, the F1 seems like a cool way to add this capability. As an S4 user, i just don't know how practical it is to contemplate buying something that will take up even more space in a DJ booth. I already find it often cramped w/ just the S4. I plan on holding off on copping an F1 just yet.
Georgina Schatzman 30.05.2012	Let me say this, the F1 isn't Ableton, no one is going to argue about that. But what the F1 does is allow to have an Ableton-esque work flow. I mainly use Ableton just to launch percussion and drum loops because it's easier to have everything loaded up and ready to go instead have to browse and load a loop everytime I want to go on to a new one. But now with the F1 and "remix" decks, I can have 64 loops loaded at once, ready to go at a moments notice ala Ableton. For how I work and perform, it really is going to make life much easier.
Era Roka 30.05.2012	to be honest, i'm gonna buy it but i don't know for shure if i ever gonna use it live. If so, it wil be because you can save you remix decks sets, so if i'm bored i can quickly make one in Traktor.
Reda Holdsworth 30.05.2012	Originally Posted by Shishdisma Ding ding ding! Yep!
Nancey Inderlied 30.05.2012	Originally Posted by mostapha If the F1 is supposed to appeal to the people who use Maschine as a glorified pad controller with pretty lights, I guess I see the point……… Ding ding ding!
Lela Umanskaya 30.05.2012	I didn't pre-order but my F1 is officially en-route
Lang Abriel 30.05.2012	Figured out a way to solve the overpriced problem....wait 3 weeks for the kiddies to try it out, find out how hard it is to make sets containing alot of loops/how little they add to a set if not used correctly. Seriously, most ppl do not have the energy to have a 100-1000 loop library to pick from. Then boom 190 or less for this controller in basically brand new condition. However, reorganizing all my loops in traktor from ableton would suck (alot)
Dorie Scelzo 30.05.2012	No, the F1 controls a sample player is about the simplest way possible. Maschine is a sequencer that has a sampler and hosts synthesizers. They have almost nothing to do with each other. If the F1 is supposed to appeal to the people who use Maschine as a glorified pad controller with pretty lights, I guess I see the point………
Nancey Inderlied 29.05.2012	Originally Posted by mostapha How in the hell are Maschine and the F1 at all competing products?????? Well, ones a 16 pad controller that controls a sample player, and the other is a 16 pad controller that controls a sample player. Most people don't realize that Maschine is primarily a DAW component, and see it as a DJ tool.
Dorie Scelzo 29.05.2012	How in the hell are Maschine and the F1 at all competing products??????
Reda Holdsworth 29.05.2012	I pre-ordered one from sweetwater. If I like it as much as I believe I will. I'll be buying a second & prob sell my maschine.

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