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Posted on: 07.06.2012 by Darlene Strohbeck
I've decided to stop throwing money away on rentals but have had a hard time finding any feedback and/or reviews on a lot of the speakers I'm looking at so I'm turning to this community . Here are the speakers I'm considering and my initial thoughts on them.

Behringer Eurolive B815NEO - Cheap and Loud
Mackie TH15A - Cheap, but not enough inputs

Mackie SRM450V2 - Not enough inputs
Electro-Voice ELX112P - I would be sold on these but the boxes aren't road-ready. They're made of plywood with textured paint and prone to chipping

Yorkville NX55P (used) - I love these speakers and have used them extensively, but I'm not thrilled about buying them used and can't afford to buy new.
Darren Teboe
12.06.2012
Originally Posted by rotebass
RCF ART series, specifically the models with 2" HF, and the EV ZXA5. Of course I'm not even sure where those sit price wise in comparison to the QSC stuff so it could be apples to oranges.

What you do get is better HF drivers (and more power reserves to run them afaik). HF is critical in any speaker cab, that's why I can't help but laugh when guys try to say their Peavey SP series boxes can hang with a SRX725. When I hear active cabs with under-sized HF drivers, they sound great at low volumes, but sound very, very harsh as things get cooking.

I agree, but I was talking QSC, not peavey. What I'm wondering is the QSC vs EV and/or RCF. From my experience and the word of everyone I've heard (with you being the first exception), the QSC's are on par or better than RCF's comparable series, but easily get the edge due to the 6 year warranty. As for EV, while definitely a great speaker that is above most, it isn't on the same level... though not by much.
Lela Umanskaya
09.06.2012
Originally Posted by tokenasianguy
Interesting...By "cheap" do you mean in price, or in quality?...Or both?...
I've never seen an Alto product that I liked
Darlene Strohbeck
09.06.2012
Originally Posted by rotebass
Aren't Altos just cheap Yorkville knock-offs? I know Yorkville distributes their stuff north of the border.
Interesting...By "cheap" do you mean in price, or in quality?...Or both?...
Darlene Strohbeck
09.06.2012
Originally Posted by DJKyleHughes
If I were you, I would go with the Alto TS115A 15"....or the TS112A 12"
I considered that, but I haven't ever heard of them until two days ago and didn't want to take a chance on a brand that I'm not familiar with.

One thing I always consider is resale, so I prefer to go mid-priced and get something quality that holds resale, but still doesn't break the bank.
Darlene Strohbeck
09.06.2012
Originally Posted by loverocket
hey man where did you scrape up the extra $300 ? Let me know.
Credit, how else?
Lela Umanskaya
09.06.2012
Originally Posted by DJKyleHughes
If I were you, I would go with the Alto TS115A 15"....or the TS112A 12"
Aren't Altos just cheap Yorkville knock-offs? I know Yorkville distributes their stuff north of the border.
Lela Umanskaya
09.06.2012
Originally Posted by sobi
Interesting. Any specific reasoning behind this reasoning? You are the first person I've heard say this in almost five years. Ever since the introduction of the HPR series, most pro's I've heard have all shared the opinion that QSC has the best quality for mobile speakers. The RCF lines have very recently caught up, but even then, they don't have a warranty that comes close to QSC's. As for the EV comparison, I have to be honest and just say that's flat out strange.
RCF ART series, specifically the models with 2" HF, and the EV ZXA5. Of course I'm not even sure where those sit price wise in comparison to the QSC stuff so it could be apples to oranges.

What you do get is better HF drivers (and more power reserves to run them afaik). HF is critical in any speaker cab, that's why I can't help but laugh when guys try to say their Peavey SP series boxes can hang with a SRX725. When I hear active cabs with under-sized HF drivers, they sound great at low volumes, but sound very, very harsh as things get cooking.
Lela Umanskaya
13.06.2012
Haha, friends?

Can we hug?
Darren Teboe
13.06.2012
Ok... then you agree with me... I believe.
Lela Umanskaya
13.06.2012
Exactly, K series was definitely built to meet a price point.
Darren Teboe
13.06.2012
I believe that's where there's some confusion. I would never rate those K series against what your talking about. I'm using the KW and to a lesser extent, the HPR series. Not a fan of the K series, though they are great for wedding type stuff since they are so light.
Lela Umanskaya
13.06.2012
RCF claims 130dB on the 722-A.
EV claims 133dB on the ZXA5.

My ears tell me both are smoking loud, much louder than the K series, which makes sense if it costs half the price. Haven't hear the KW series, specs seem good, would love to hear them.
Darren Teboe
13.06.2012
I'm talking KW series and/or HPR. What kind of SPL ratings are you seeing on those EV's and RCF's?
Lela Umanskaya
12.06.2012
The Peavey/JBL was just a comparison. The fact of the matter is that they latter two brands offer a beefier HF section and back them up with a larger power reserve. The specs back up my real word experience, which is that the QSC will have a less pleasing tone at higher volumes.

You know what, forget it, the RCF and EV mentioned both sell for twice the price of a K12.
Darren Teboe
12.06.2012
Originally Posted by rotebass
RCF ART series, specifically the models with 2" HF, and the EV ZXA5. Of course I'm not even sure where those sit price wise in comparison to the QSC stuff so it could be apples to oranges.

What you do get is better HF drivers (and more power reserves to run them afaik). HF is critical in any speaker cab, that's why I can't help but laugh when guys try to say their Peavey SP series boxes can hang with a SRX725. When I hear active cabs with under-sized HF drivers, they sound great at low volumes, but sound very, very harsh as things get cooking.

I agree, but I was talking QSC, not peavey. What I'm wondering is the QSC vs EV and/or RCF. From my experience and the word of everyone I've heard (with you being the first exception), the QSC's are on par or better than RCF's comparable series, but easily get the edge due to the 6 year warranty. As for EV, while definitely a great speaker that is above most, it isn't on the same level... though not by much.
Lauretta Ehrhorn
11.06.2012
I love my RCF's and wouldn't put anyone off buying a pair.

Has no one mentioned FBT's? Great powered boxes imo.
Noriko Lebowitz
09.06.2012
I own a pair of the altos i listed above and I believe they sound wonderful for the price.
Darlene Strohbeck
09.06.2012
Is there a chance that this EV speaker I found is fake? My "fake headphone" thread got me believeing...But I figure it's an american seller, and it's not so cheap that it's too good to be true.
Lela Umanskaya
09.06.2012
Originally Posted by tokenasianguy
Interesting...By "cheap" do you mean in price, or in quality?...Or both?...
I've never seen an Alto product that I liked
Darlene Strohbeck
09.06.2012
Originally Posted by rotebass
Aren't Altos just cheap Yorkville knock-offs? I know Yorkville distributes their stuff north of the border.
Interesting...By "cheap" do you mean in price, or in quality?...Or both?...
Darlene Strohbeck
09.06.2012
Originally Posted by DJKyleHughes
If I were you, I would go with the Alto TS115A 15"....or the TS112A 12"
I considered that, but I haven't ever heard of them until two days ago and didn't want to take a chance on a brand that I'm not familiar with.

One thing I always consider is resale, so I prefer to go mid-priced and get something quality that holds resale, but still doesn't break the bank.
Darlene Strohbeck
09.06.2012
Originally Posted by loverocket
hey man where did you scrape up the extra $300 ? Let me know.
Credit, how else?
Lela Umanskaya
09.06.2012
Originally Posted by DJKyleHughes
If I were you, I would go with the Alto TS115A 15"....or the TS112A 12"
Aren't Altos just cheap Yorkville knock-offs? I know Yorkville distributes their stuff north of the border.
Lela Umanskaya
09.06.2012
Originally Posted by sobi
Interesting. Any specific reasoning behind this reasoning? You are the first person I've heard say this in almost five years. Ever since the introduction of the HPR series, most pro's I've heard have all shared the opinion that QSC has the best quality for mobile speakers. The RCF lines have very recently caught up, but even then, they don't have a warranty that comes close to QSC's. As for the EV comparison, I have to be honest and just say that's flat out strange.
RCF ART series, specifically the models with 2" HF, and the EV ZXA5. Of course I'm not even sure where those sit price wise in comparison to the QSC stuff so it could be apples to oranges.

What you do get is better HF drivers (and more power reserves to run them afaik). HF is critical in any speaker cab, that's why I can't help but laugh when guys try to say their Peavey SP series boxes can hang with a SRX725. When I hear active cabs with under-sized HF drivers, they sound great at low volumes, but sound very, very harsh as things get cooking.
Noriko Lebowitz
09.06.2012
If I were you, I would go with the Alto TS115A 15"....or the TS112A 12"
Jerica Salava
09.06.2012
hey man where did you scrape up the extra $300 ? Let me know.
Darren Teboe
09.06.2012
Originally Posted by rotebass
Describes RCF and EV more than QSC imo. I'm a big JBL fan for passive cabs, if I were to go active it would be EV or RCF.
Interesting. Any specific reasoning behind this reasoning? You are the first person I've heard say this in almost five years. Ever since the introduction of the HPR series, most pro's I've heard have all shared the opinion that QSC has the best quality for mobile speakers. The RCF lines have very recently caught up, but even then, they don't have a warranty that comes close to QSC's. As for the EV comparison, I have to be honest and just say that's flat out strange.
Darlene Strohbeck
09.06.2012
Sorry, that price is just for the speaker. The case will probably cost $130 + Shipping unless someone here knows of a cheaper source?
Charline Dye
10.06.2012
Originally Posted by rotebass
Listen to an RCF ART712 and rebelieve that statement
Should have been specific about which RCF model not brand per se.

That's a good deal on the EV's Token. especially with added case!
Darlene Strohbeck
09.06.2012
I'll probably get slack for saying this, but I find the RCF's overpriced and under-powered. I also had a bad experience with a rental that didn't work.

I'm gonna go with the EV ELX112P (found an awesome deal less than $500 new) with a proper speaker case from SKB.
Lela Umanskaya
09.06.2012
Originally Posted by VanGogo
I still didn't go with the top brand (QSC), but opted for mid priced highly reccomended brand (RCF).
Listen to an RCF ART712 and rebelieve that statement
Charline Dye
09.06.2012
As long as the warranty is still the same then yes. Can't see why you wouldn't do it and save some $.

I was in your situation not long ago, and was looking at the thumps or a Matrix b-52 1000. After alot of reading reviews and different community s, listening to what I could find locally, etc. I came to the conclusion that saving a bit longer and getting better speakers was the best thing to do in the long run. I still didn't go with the top brand (QSC), but opted for mid priced highly reccomended brand (RCF). The used market in my area is almost non-existant or I might have gone that route also.

Good luck with the decision
Darlene Strohbeck
08.06.2012
Would you guys ever purchase a refurbished or B-Stock speaker?
Lela Umanskaya
08.06.2012
Originally Posted by sobi
1. Clean Sound. They are known as one of the highest clarity for mobile apps. Their stuff is crystal clear, and keeps level even at high levels.
2. Reliability. You rarely hear about people with QSC systems running into issues with their stuff. I've had mine for about 3 years, and there has been zero problems, and I push it pretty hard.
3. Warranty. That ties into their reliability. Most companies aren't gonna give you much of a warranty on gear for mobile apps since it's gonna get moved around and banged up (as you noted earlier). QSC offers a SIX YEAR warranty. That's more or less unheard of... especially for speakers. With that in mind, QSC speakers are a bit of a bargain IMO.
Describes RCF and EV more than QSC imo. I'm a big JBL fan for passive cabs, if I were to go active it would be EV or RCF.
Darlene Strohbeck
08.06.2012
Originally Posted by sobi
Still not a high quality speaker for pro applications, though this is really not helping anything with your questions, so I'll defer to your opinion in this case.



I'd suggest going with something like the K series from QSC or a similar build. The K series is fairly lightweight too, so it's good for mobile stuff. On a realistic level though, if you're going to be doing weddings and want your gear spotless (as you should for those applications), you need to invest in covers for your speakers. It protects them from getting banged up.




As I've said before, I'm a HUGE advocate of QSC, though I've never had complaints about EV. I've never heard bad things about yorkville, but on the flip side of that, none of the guys I know that deal in quality gear ever talk about them either. I see them as a decent brand, but nothing to rave about. Mackie I used to like, but a while back, they started manufacturing their speakers in china, and ever since then, their quality and reliability has taken a nose dive.

There is three reasons I recommend QSC over all the others.
1. Clean Sound. They are known as one of the highest clarity for mobile apps. Their stuff is crystal clear, and keeps level even at high levels.
2. Reliability. You rarely hear about people with QSC systems running into issues with their stuff. I've had mine for about 3 years, and there has been zero problems, and I push it pretty hard.
3. Warranty. That ties into their reliability. Most companies aren't gonna give you much of a warranty on gear for mobile apps since it's gonna get moved around and banged up (as you noted earlier). QSC offers a SIX YEAR warranty. That's more or less unheard of... especially for speakers. With that in mind, QSC speakers are a bit of a bargain IMO.

Thanks. Lots of good input here.

I heard with the Mackie SRM450's, the V1's were not made in China? As opposed to the V2's. Do you know anything about that?
Dorie Scelzo
07.06.2012
The QSC K series are really impressive for their size. I heard a set of K8s a week or so ago and with a sub……they'd be killer for bars or big house parties…or small weddings. Not a club system for sure, but they easily filled an empty 18x24x8 foot room and sounded pretty decent doing it.
Darren Teboe
07.06.2012
Originally Posted by tokenasianguy
The Yorkville NX55P have multiple inputs. Although they tend to not have international recognition, but a lot of people consider them to be one of the best speakers companies around.
Still not a high quality speaker for pro applications, though this is really not helping anything with your questions, so I'll defer to your opinion in this case.

Originally Posted by tokenasianguy
...my speakers tend to get beaten up, and I might rent these out to a friend so I wanted to make sure they can take a beating.
I'd suggest going with something like the K series from QSC or a similar build. The K series is fairly lightweight too, so it's good for mobile stuff. On a realistic level though, if you're going to be doing weddings and want your gear spotless (as you should for those applications), you need to invest in covers for your speakers. It protects them from getting banged up.

Originally Posted by tokenasianguy
The size of the venue and amount of people really depends. I mostly do weddings, which are typically seated dinners in banquet halls, however I've done a few in restaurants (standing room only), and backyards. The "rule" I've developed is that I usually have 1 Yorkville nx55 per every 50 people, and that seems to be more than enough.

I believe I'm almost decided against the el cheapos, so I'm leaning towards the Mackie SRM450 new, EV ELX112P new, QSC K12 (used) or Yorkville NX55 (used - if one of the sellers will actually respond to me).

As I've said before, I'm a HUGE advocate of QSC, though I've never had complaints about EV. I've never heard bad things about yorkville, but on the flip side of that, none of the guys I know that deal in quality gear ever talk about them either. I see them as a decent brand, but nothing to rave about. Mackie I used to like, but a while back, they started manufacturing their speakers in china, and ever since then, their quality and reliability has taken a nose dive.

There is three reasons I recommend QSC over all the others.
1. Clean Sound. They are known as one of the highest clarity for mobile apps. Their stuff is crystal clear, and keeps level even at high levels.
2. Reliability. You rarely hear about people with QSC systems running into issues with their stuff. I've had mine for about 3 years, and there has been zero problems, and I push it pretty hard.
3. Warranty. That ties into their reliability. Most companies aren't gonna give you much of a warranty on gear for mobile apps since it's gonna get moved around and banged up (as you noted earlier). QSC offers a SIX YEAR warranty. That's more or less unheard of... especially for speakers. With that in mind, QSC speakers are a bit of a bargain IMO.
Darlene Strohbeck
07.06.2012
Originally Posted by sobi
**fixed



Most pro audio is only going to have one input. Good rigs run from a mixer/console > amp and/or speaker.
The Yorkville NX55P have multiple inputs. Although they tend to not have international recognition, but a lot of people consider them to be one of the best speakers companies around.

The best boxes are made of wood, as that type of construction/material gives the best sound quality when compared to polymer/plastic type cabinets.
That's true. I never considered that. It's just that my speakers tend to get beaten up, and I might rent these out to a friend so I wanted to make sure they can take a beating.

As for Suggestions, the best thing I can tell you is you get what you pay for. Cheap speakers are exactly that. The more money you spend, the more reliability you get, and the better the sound quality.
I use a QSC rig that consists of 2 HPR 121i's, and a KW 181. It pumps out amazingly clear sound for an immediate 50-100 people at high levels with thumping bass you can easily feel in a smaller venue.

To comment on what is right for you isn't possible yet. We need to find out what type of events your doing, how many people are going to be at these events, and how large the venues are. Personally, I wouldn't be looking for this info here... there is many more people who are much more knowledgeable over at DJ community s. People here know there stuff, but over there has more of an "advanced" database of knowledge and members. Anyhow, list out the things I mentioned above to get some good info.
The size of the venue and amount of people really depends. I mostly do weddings, which are typically seated dinners in banquet halls, however I've done a few in restaurants (standing room only), and backyards. The "rule" I've developed is that I usually have 1 Yorkville nx55 per every 50 people, and that seems to be more than enough.

I believe I'm almost decided against the el cheapos, so I'm leaning towards the Mackie SRM450 new, EV ELX112P new, QSC K12 (used) or Yorkville NX55 (used - if one of the sellers will actually respond to me).
Darren Teboe
06.06.2012
**fixed
Originally Posted by tokenasianguy
Behringer Eurolive B815NEO - Cheap and Loud, unreliable, screeching highs with no low end
Originally Posted by tokenasianguy
not enough inputs
Most pro audio is only going to have one input. Good rigs run from a mixer/console > amp and/or speaker.

Originally Posted by tokenasianguy
---but the boxes aren't road-ready. They're made of plywood with textured paint and prone to chipping
The best boxes are made of wood, as that type of construction/material gives the best sound quality when compared to polymer/plastic type cabinets.

As for Suggestions, the best thing I can tell you is you get what you pay for. Cheap speakers are exactly that. The more money you spend, the more reliability you get, and the better the sound quality.
I use a QSC rig that consists of 2 HPR 121i's, and a KW 181. It pumps out amazingly clear sound for an immediate 50-100 people at high levels with thumping bass you can easily feel in a smaller venue.

To comment on what is right for you isn't possible yet. We need to find out what type of events your doing, how many people are going to be at these events, and how large the venues are. Personally, I wouldn't be looking for this info here... there is many more people who are much more knowledgeable over at DJ community s. People here know there stuff, but over there has more of an "advanced" database of knowledge and members. Anyhow, list out the things I mentioned above to get some good info.
Darlene Strohbeck
06.06.2012
Maybe I'll buy 3 different speakers and compare them myself

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