Calvin Harris
and Dillon Francis
worked there... no way!
| Shying away from the whole all in one controllers... I currently have a mixtrack pro, and a borrowed Novation launchpad both mapped into Traktor.
While I like the mixtrack pro, it's seriously time for something new, badly. And something about these all in one mixer-jogwheel controller I'm just not really wanting to take further personally (spacial issues mostly). I'd rather get a external mixer and then other controllers. I'm sure i'm not the only one who feels this way.
The only common set up I ever really see around is the Mixer + X1 or two shindig. Seeing as the X1 is few years old now, i was wondering what other common controller set ups there are outside of the all-in-one controllers.
Suggestions? | Augustina Zulu
14.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by faderswagger
Not scratch certified though. If you don't need it to be scratch certified, then you can save nearly $1200 just by going with an audio 2 and a CMD MM-1. Sure it won't have all of the same controls but it has enough controls to map to do equivalent things... plus you have $1200 extra to buy supplemental controllers.
The main reason I wouldn't use a setup like this is that it ties you to Traktor + laptop. An external mixer is completely stand alone and if you decide you want to go CDJ or vinyl or some crazy live PA set up you will still be in business. Also a full sized 4 track mixer is what you're going to find in clubs 99% of the time so the time you spend on it in your bedroom/mobile gigs is getting you familiar with what you're going to find in a club setting.
That said I do love a tight minimal setup. I rocked an X1 + Vestax VMC-002 for a long time when my daughter was born cause I wasn't really playing out and money was tight. I def believe it would be a fun challenge to rock a 2 slim line controller setup like X1 or F1 + K2 or MM-1 (when it comes out). It'll be interesting to see what people end up doing with those modular CMD controllers when they hit the streets. Steinberg also has the CMC series of controllers like this although they seem to be more geared for studio or live PA setups. | Madelene Witek
13.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by faderswagger
No much to my chagrin. Best we've been told is "summer". Also, the designer of the whole series is a regular on these community
s, and I'm pretty sure he mentioned there have been some design changes to them... And those haven't even been released yet, so I'm believeing it's gonna be the LAAAAAATE summer.
That's a pretty bad move on there part, cause I'd love it by summer time and i'm sure anyone who wants ti would. so it would make sense for them to release it by then from an economic standpoint...
But oh well, I got time to decide. Mixtrack pro will double as a soundcard and mixer until I can get something nicer. It might be (depending on the price of "this thing") in my best inetrest to just suck it up and invest in a high quality mixer, which would probably be better in the long run. I can't imagine being at a gig and then wanting to hook up that thing instead of mixer, cause the whole point on not wanting the all in one deal is I want to be able to slide ride up to a mixer.
So many DJ's now lineups seem to be mroe and more common rather than the 4 hour long sets, at least in my town.
B | Natalia Bucko
13.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by A&H fanboy
The DB series has 5 effect banks, with several permutations and types within each bank, totally something like 40 effects, all of which with a sound and purpose. Traktor has 32, of which I count 8 that arent just pointless noise mangling, like the 3 different phasers and flangers, autopans, ringmod, and the iceverb (srsly, why is there an iceverb in traktor!?).
Not even gonna bother... Pointless argument to make... You basically just said "Traktor's effects suck and DB's are good cause i said so"
Originally Posted by A&H fanboy
Oh look, it's another person who believes audio gear
is valued by a spec sheet. Tell me more about how a series critically acclaimed for it's sound quality is blown away by some budget DACs, because it doesn't output 44.1k music at 96k. I'm sure all of Allen and Heath's professional customers would love to be enlightened by you showing them a feature list that proves that they could be saving thousands buying cheaper gear
. Because obviously, it has better specs, it must sound better, right?
Yeah.... That's.... that's great. When the quantifiable evidence is all against you, just ignore it and claim that its better, again, "because i said so"...
You're kinda a big joke if you hadn't noticed .I'm done with this though lawl. Someone else can take over if they so desire.
Originally Posted by A&H fanboy
To this day, I cannot fathom why people drool over the 900 but completely ignore the 2k. I know Pioneer kind of dropped it after clubs didn't like the size, but it's seriously so much more mixer for only a few quid more.
Yeah, that's true, it is definitely more mixer, and it's not much more expensive. It's amazing, but some of us are shady about touchscreens. The 2000 isn't supposed to be treated as the top of the line, with the 900 being secondary. The 900 is a specialized thing, whereas the 2000 is more along the lines of the perfect traditional mixer. The 900 has actual beatgrid effects that utilize the analysis of the original MP3. Pretty rad.
A DJM900 with four CDJ2000's is the only thing ever made that would make me even consider giving up software.
Originally Posted by Sn0wday
That thing looks awesome, no word on a release date yet though?
No much to my chagrin. Best we've been told is "summer". Also, the designer of the whole series is a regular on these community
s, and I'm pretty sure he mentioned there have been some design changes to them... And those haven't even been released yet, so I'm believeing it's gonna be the LAAAAAATE summer. | Madelene Witek
13.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by faderswagger
It really depends on how you DJ... Which controls/features you need access to is what decided which gear you need.
My real problem with using a hardware mixer is mixing four decks.... In order to mix four decks, you need a sound card with 5 outs (audio 10 is almost $600). You also need a four deck mixer obviously, which also tend to be very expensive. Before you know it you're almost 2 grand in the hole and havent even bought your controllers yet.
THIS THING is my upcoming solution to that. So if you're into mixing four decks and don't want an all-in-one, look into that.
And actually the rest of the new CMD line, as someone previously mentioned, would be great if you don't like all-in-ones.
That thing looks awesome, no word on a release date yet though? | Nancey Inderlied
13.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by MaxOne
I'm no A+H fan boy but... the DB2 has isolator EQs. Traktor (for some insane reason) doesn't provide isolator eqs.
Just sayin
Also, sometimes hardware can bring character and ergonomics to the party.
Personally, I only really like echo in traktor, oh and beatmasher. The rest of the effects are meh meh meh.
The DJM900 on the other hand... now that's a mixer. DJM900 + 2 x X1s and 1210s (scratch certified ftw).
*wonders if Pioneer vs Allen + Heath stir up / thread derail will really get the community
newbs fired up*
To this day, I cannot fathom why people drool over the 900 but completely ignore the 2k. I know Pioneer kind of dropped it after clubs didn't like the size, but it's seriously so much more mixer for only a few quid more. | Nancey Inderlied
13.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by faderswagger
lawl, cute little A&H fanboy. Cool story bro... Which has no bearing on reality whatsoever. The DB:2 Does NOT have more effects types than Traktor... Not by a long shot... That's just completely false. It also has no beat grid effects whatsoever (unless they're hidden in some way I've never been able to find). There may be some subtle differences, but you can replicate in traktor pretty much any sound I've ever heard, or made, come out of a DB:2. Plus traktor has many effects and midi-mappable features that are vastly beyond what the DB 2 can do.
The DB series has 5 effect banks, with several permutations and types within each bank, totally something like 40 effects, all of which with a sound and purpose. Traktor has 32, of which I count 8 that arent just pointless noise mangling, like the 3 different phasers and flangers, autopans, ringmod, and the iceverb (srsly, why is there an iceverb in traktor!?).
You can argue all day about sound quality, but you're just masturbating. You apparently don't know what you're talking about there, and guessing about the audio 2's sound quality. I've never owned one, but look up the specs, the sound quality of the audio 2 is VERY close to the audio 10. They are both actually superior to the DB:2 in several big ways (such as it only supports 48kHz sample rates).
You're also completely misrepresenting what I said to suit your argument, but it's kind of cute, and ineffective, so I'm not going to bother with that.
Oh look, it's another person who believes audio gear
is valued by a spec sheet. Tell me more about how a series critically acclaimed for it's sound quality is blown away by some budget DACs, because it doesn't output 44.1k music at 96k. I'm sure all of Allen and Heath's professional customers would love to be enlightened by you showing them a feature list that proves that they could be saving thousands buying cheaper gear
. Because obviously, it has better specs, it must sound better, right? | Natalia Bucko
13.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
Are you completely insane? Or are you just not familiar with gear
outside of Traktor?
A DB:2 has more effect types then Traktor has usable effects, every single one of which is much more flexible and smooth than anything Traktor has to offer. In addition to the filter/EQ quality and flexibility and output quality over Traktor's internal mixer. Allen and Heath is a sound legend, Traktor is a convenience.
You're telling me that a MIDI mixer and a budget sound card are going to provide better sound and interface quality, due to the fact that the "design" of a knob box built to loosely resemble an actual mixer is superior to an actual mixer? Sounds legit.
lawl, cute little A&H fanboy. Cool story bro... Which has no bearing on reality whatsoever. The DB:2 Does NOT have more effects types than Traktor... Not by a long shot... That's just completely false. It also has no beat grid effects whatsoever (unless they're hidden in some way I've never been able to find). There may be some subtle differences, but you can replicate in traktor pretty much any sound I've ever heard, or made, come out of a DB:2. Plus traktor has many effects and midi-mappable features that are vastly beyond what the DB 2 can do.
But that doesn't even begin to explain how vastly superior midi/software is... Because traktor is just an acceptable platform for playing music. The real power in software is VSTs, and by inherent concept, there's always going to be a bigger list of effects possible in VSTs than on digital hardware. Yes, Traktor is limited, but *software capable of being controlled via midi* is not. You can replicate any sound made on digital hardware with software, and as long as you have a good sound card, you're not going to be able to tell the difference.
You can argue all day about sound quality, but you're just masturbating. You apparently don't know what you're talking about there, and guessing about the audio 2's sound quality. I've never owned one, but look up the specs, the sound quality of the audio 2 is VERY close to the audio 10. They are both actually superior to the DB:2 in several big ways (such as it only supports 48kHz sample rates).
You're also completely misrepresenting what I said to suit your argument, but it's kind of cute, and ineffective, so I'm not going to bother with that. | Latoria Kavulich
13.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by synthet1c
k2 will last much longer as it has far better construction... the X1 typically lasts about a year before the knobs get loose.
*coughcoughbullshitcough* | Nancey Inderlied
13.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by faderswagger
Traktor is capable of replicating every feature of the DB:2 and WAAAY more, and if you're already using traktor anyways, you can do a lot more with $1800 than a DB:2 can offer.
I had a very long ignorant elitist phase about "gear quality", and finally realized that build quality and interface design are completely independent of one another and if you are at the point as a DJ where you know what you want to do, and it's not completely traditional, design is infinitely more important than build quality.
Are you completely insane? Or are you just not familiar with gear
outside of Traktor?
A DB:2 has more effect types then Traktor has usable effects, every single one of which is much more flexible and smooth than anything Traktor has to offer. In addition to the filter/EQ quality and flexibility and output quality over Traktor's internal mixer. Allen and Heath is a sound legend, Traktor is a convenience.
You're telling me that a MIDI mixer and a budget sound card are going to provide better sound and interface quality, due to the fact that the "design" of a knob box built to loosely resemble an actual mixer is superior to an actual mixer? Sounds legit. | Natalia Bucko
13.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
If you believe that buying an Audio 2 and a MIDI mixer vs a DB:2 is just "saving $1200," audio gear
might not be your thing.
Snide, pompous and ignorant all at once. Impressive.
It was pretty clear that I was saying that you can get a whole lot more bang for your buck that way. Traktor is capable of replicating every feature of the DB:2 and WAAAY more, and if you're already using traktor anyways, you can do a lot more with $1800 than a DB:2 can offer.
I had a very long ignorant elitist phase about "gear quality", and finally realized that build quality and interface design are completely independent of one another and if you are at the point as a DJ where you know what you want to do, and it's not completely traditional, design is infinitely more important than build quality. | Nancey Inderlied
13.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by faderswagger
Not scratch certified though. If you don't need it to be scratch certified, then you can save nearly $1200 just by going with an audio 2 and a CMD MM-1. Sure it won't have all of the same controls but it has enough controls to map to do equivalent things... plus you have $1200 extra to buy supplemental controllers.
If you believe that buying an Audio 2 and a MIDI mixer vs a DB:2 is just "saving $1200," audio gear
might not be your thing. | Shonda Soulier
13.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by smittten
I believe the Midi Fighter would make for an ideal second controller.
It does. | Augustina Zulu
13.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by faderswagger
My real problem with using a hardware mixer is mixing four decks.... In order to mix four decks, you need a sound card with 5 outs (audio 10 is almost $600). You also need a four deck mixer obviously, which also tend to be very expensive. Before you know it you're almost 2 grand in the hole and havent even bought your controllers yet.
Another option is a mixer with internal sound card. The xone db2 comes in well under $2k street price and you get 4 decks just by plugging in the usb, also you don't have to manage all of the cables from the interface to the mixer. | Augustina Zulu
14.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by faderswagger
Not scratch certified though. If you don't need it to be scratch certified, then you can save nearly $1200 just by going with an audio 2 and a CMD MM-1. Sure it won't have all of the same controls but it has enough controls to map to do equivalent things... plus you have $1200 extra to buy supplemental controllers.
The main reason I wouldn't use a setup like this is that it ties you to Traktor + laptop. An external mixer is completely stand alone and if you decide you want to go CDJ or vinyl or some crazy live PA set up you will still be in business. Also a full sized 4 track mixer is what you're going to find in clubs 99% of the time so the time you spend on it in your bedroom/mobile gigs is getting you familiar with what you're going to find in a club setting.
That said I do love a tight minimal setup. I rocked an X1 + Vestax VMC-002 for a long time when my daughter was born cause I wasn't really playing out and money was tight. I def believe it would be a fun challenge to rock a 2 slim line controller setup like X1 or F1 + K2 or MM-1 (when it comes out). It'll be interesting to see what people end up doing with those modular CMD controllers when they hit the streets. Steinberg also has the CMC series of controllers like this although they seem to be more geared for studio or live PA setups. | Madelene Witek
13.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by faderswagger
No much to my chagrin. Best we've been told is "summer". Also, the designer of the whole series is a regular on these community
s, and I'm pretty sure he mentioned there have been some design changes to them... And those haven't even been released yet, so I'm believeing it's gonna be the LAAAAAATE summer.
That's a pretty bad move on there part, cause I'd love it by summer time and i'm sure anyone who wants ti would. so it would make sense for them to release it by then from an economic standpoint...
But oh well, I got time to decide. Mixtrack pro will double as a soundcard and mixer until I can get something nicer. It might be (depending on the price of "this thing") in my best inetrest to just suck it up and invest in a high quality mixer, which would probably be better in the long run. I can't imagine being at a gig and then wanting to hook up that thing instead of mixer, cause the whole point on not wanting the all in one deal is I want to be able to slide ride up to a mixer.
So many DJ's now lineups seem to be mroe and more common rather than the 4 hour long sets, at least in my town.
B | Natalia Bucko
13.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by A&H fanboy
The DB series has 5 effect banks, with several permutations and types within each bank, totally something like 40 effects, all of which with a sound and purpose. Traktor has 32, of which I count 8 that arent just pointless noise mangling, like the 3 different phasers and flangers, autopans, ringmod, and the iceverb (srsly, why is there an iceverb in traktor!?).
Not even gonna bother... Pointless argument to make... You basically just said "Traktor's effects suck and DB's are good cause i said so"
Originally Posted by A&H fanboy
Oh look, it's another person who believes audio gear
is valued by a spec sheet. Tell me more about how a series critically acclaimed for it's sound quality is blown away by some budget DACs, because it doesn't output 44.1k music at 96k. I'm sure all of Allen and Heath's professional customers would love to be enlightened by you showing them a feature list that proves that they could be saving thousands buying cheaper gear
. Because obviously, it has better specs, it must sound better, right?
Yeah.... That's.... that's great. When the quantifiable evidence is all against you, just ignore it and claim that its better, again, "because i said so"...
You're kinda a big joke if you hadn't noticed .I'm done with this though lawl. Someone else can take over if they so desire.
Originally Posted by A&H fanboy
To this day, I cannot fathom why people drool over the 900 but completely ignore the 2k. I know Pioneer kind of dropped it after clubs didn't like the size, but it's seriously so much more mixer for only a few quid more.
Yeah, that's true, it is definitely more mixer, and it's not much more expensive. It's amazing, but some of us are shady about touchscreens. The 2000 isn't supposed to be treated as the top of the line, with the 900 being secondary. The 900 is a specialized thing, whereas the 2000 is more along the lines of the perfect traditional mixer. The 900 has actual beatgrid effects that utilize the analysis of the original MP3. Pretty rad.
A DJM900 with four CDJ2000's is the only thing ever made that would make me even consider giving up software.
Originally Posted by Sn0wday
That thing looks awesome, no word on a release date yet though?
No much to my chagrin. Best we've been told is "summer". Also, the designer of the whole series is a regular on these community
s, and I'm pretty sure he mentioned there have been some design changes to them... And those haven't even been released yet, so I'm believeing it's gonna be the LAAAAAATE summer. | Madelene Witek
13.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by faderswagger
It really depends on how you DJ... Which controls/features you need access to is what decided which gear you need.
My real problem with using a hardware mixer is mixing four decks.... In order to mix four decks, you need a sound card with 5 outs (audio 10 is almost $600). You also need a four deck mixer obviously, which also tend to be very expensive. Before you know it you're almost 2 grand in the hole and havent even bought your controllers yet.
THIS THING is my upcoming solution to that. So if you're into mixing four decks and don't want an all-in-one, look into that.
And actually the rest of the new CMD line, as someone previously mentioned, would be great if you don't like all-in-ones.
That thing looks awesome, no word on a release date yet though? | Nancey Inderlied
13.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by MaxOne
I'm no A+H fan boy but... the DB2 has isolator EQs. Traktor (for some insane reason) doesn't provide isolator eqs.
Just sayin
Also, sometimes hardware can bring character and ergonomics to the party.
Personally, I only really like echo in traktor, oh and beatmasher. The rest of the effects are meh meh meh.
The DJM900 on the other hand... now that's a mixer. DJM900 + 2 x X1s and 1210s (scratch certified ftw).
*wonders if Pioneer vs Allen + Heath stir up / thread derail will really get the community
newbs fired up*
To this day, I cannot fathom why people drool over the 900 but completely ignore the 2k. I know Pioneer kind of dropped it after clubs didn't like the size, but it's seriously so much more mixer for only a few quid more. | Hipolito Scionti
13.06.2012 | I'm no A+H fan boy but... the DB2 has isolator EQs. Traktor (for some insane reason) doesn't provide isolator eqs.
Just sayin
Also, sometimes hardware can bring character and ergonomics to the party.
Personally, I only really like echo in traktor, oh and beatmasher. The rest of the effects are meh meh meh.
The DJM900 on the other hand... now that's a mixer. DJM900 + 2 x X1s and 1210s (scratch certified ftw).
*wonders if Pioneer vs Allen + Heath stir up / thread derail will really get the community
newbs fired up* | Nancey Inderlied
13.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by faderswagger
lawl, cute little A&H fanboy. Cool story bro... Which has no bearing on reality whatsoever. The DB:2 Does NOT have more effects types than Traktor... Not by a long shot... That's just completely false. It also has no beat grid effects whatsoever (unless they're hidden in some way I've never been able to find). There may be some subtle differences, but you can replicate in traktor pretty much any sound I've ever heard, or made, come out of a DB:2. Plus traktor has many effects and midi-mappable features that are vastly beyond what the DB 2 can do.
The DB series has 5 effect banks, with several permutations and types within each bank, totally something like 40 effects, all of which with a sound and purpose. Traktor has 32, of which I count 8 that arent just pointless noise mangling, like the 3 different phasers and flangers, autopans, ringmod, and the iceverb (srsly, why is there an iceverb in traktor!?).
You can argue all day about sound quality, but you're just masturbating. You apparently don't know what you're talking about there, and guessing about the audio 2's sound quality. I've never owned one, but look up the specs, the sound quality of the audio 2 is VERY close to the audio 10. They are both actually superior to the DB:2 in several big ways (such as it only supports 48kHz sample rates).
You're also completely misrepresenting what I said to suit your argument, but it's kind of cute, and ineffective, so I'm not going to bother with that.
Oh look, it's another person who believes audio gear
is valued by a spec sheet. Tell me more about how a series critically acclaimed for it's sound quality is blown away by some budget DACs, because it doesn't output 44.1k music at 96k. I'm sure all of Allen and Heath's professional customers would love to be enlightened by you showing them a feature list that proves that they could be saving thousands buying cheaper gear
. Because obviously, it has better specs, it must sound better, right? | Natalia Bucko
13.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
Are you completely insane? Or are you just not familiar with gear
outside of Traktor?
A DB:2 has more effect types then Traktor has usable effects, every single one of which is much more flexible and smooth than anything Traktor has to offer. In addition to the filter/EQ quality and flexibility and output quality over Traktor's internal mixer. Allen and Heath is a sound legend, Traktor is a convenience.
You're telling me that a MIDI mixer and a budget sound card are going to provide better sound and interface quality, due to the fact that the "design" of a knob box built to loosely resemble an actual mixer is superior to an actual mixer? Sounds legit.
lawl, cute little A&H fanboy. Cool story bro... Which has no bearing on reality whatsoever. The DB:2 Does NOT have more effects types than Traktor... Not by a long shot... That's just completely false. It also has no beat grid effects whatsoever (unless they're hidden in some way I've never been able to find). There may be some subtle differences, but you can replicate in traktor pretty much any sound I've ever heard, or made, come out of a DB:2. Plus traktor has many effects and midi-mappable features that are vastly beyond what the DB 2 can do.
But that doesn't even begin to explain how vastly superior midi/software is... Because traktor is just an acceptable platform for playing music. The real power in software is VSTs, and by inherent concept, there's always going to be a bigger list of effects possible in VSTs than on digital hardware. Yes, Traktor is limited, but *software capable of being controlled via midi* is not. You can replicate any sound made on digital hardware with software, and as long as you have a good sound card, you're not going to be able to tell the difference.
You can argue all day about sound quality, but you're just masturbating. You apparently don't know what you're talking about there, and guessing about the audio 2's sound quality. I've never owned one, but look up the specs, the sound quality of the audio 2 is VERY close to the audio 10. They are both actually superior to the DB:2 in several big ways (such as it only supports 48kHz sample rates).
You're also completely misrepresenting what I said to suit your argument, but it's kind of cute, and ineffective, so I'm not going to bother with that. | Latoria Kavulich
13.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by synthet1c
k2 will last much longer as it has far better construction... the X1 typically lasts about a year before the knobs get loose.
*coughcoughbullshitcough* | Nancey Inderlied
13.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by faderswagger
Traktor is capable of replicating every feature of the DB:2 and WAAAY more, and if you're already using traktor anyways, you can do a lot more with $1800 than a DB:2 can offer.
I had a very long ignorant elitist phase about "gear quality", and finally realized that build quality and interface design are completely independent of one another and if you are at the point as a DJ where you know what you want to do, and it's not completely traditional, design is infinitely more important than build quality.
Are you completely insane? Or are you just not familiar with gear
outside of Traktor?
A DB:2 has more effect types then Traktor has usable effects, every single one of which is much more flexible and smooth than anything Traktor has to offer. In addition to the filter/EQ quality and flexibility and output quality over Traktor's internal mixer. Allen and Heath is a sound legend, Traktor is a convenience.
You're telling me that a MIDI mixer and a budget sound card are going to provide better sound and interface quality, due to the fact that the "design" of a knob box built to loosely resemble an actual mixer is superior to an actual mixer? Sounds legit. | Len Lukawski
13.06.2012 | Can all the new kids please play nicely in the playground - thank you. | Natalia Bucko
13.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
If you believe that buying an Audio 2 and a MIDI mixer vs a DB:2 is just "saving $1200," audio gear
might not be your thing.
Snide, pompous and ignorant all at once. Impressive.
It was pretty clear that I was saying that you can get a whole lot more bang for your buck that way. Traktor is capable of replicating every feature of the DB:2 and WAAAY more, and if you're already using traktor anyways, you can do a lot more with $1800 than a DB:2 can offer.
I had a very long ignorant elitist phase about "gear quality", and finally realized that build quality and interface design are completely independent of one another and if you are at the point as a DJ where you know what you want to do, and it's not completely traditional, design is infinitely more important than build quality. | Nancey Inderlied
13.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by faderswagger
Not scratch certified though. If you don't need it to be scratch certified, then you can save nearly $1200 just by going with an audio 2 and a CMD MM-1. Sure it won't have all of the same controls but it has enough controls to map to do equivalent things... plus you have $1200 extra to buy supplemental controllers.
If you believe that buying an Audio 2 and a MIDI mixer vs a DB:2 is just "saving $1200," audio gear
might not be your thing. | Shonda Soulier
13.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by smittten
I believe the Midi Fighter would make for an ideal second controller.
It does. | Natalia Bucko
13.06.2012 | Not scratch certified though. If you don't need it to be scratch certified, then you can save nearly $1200 just by going with an audio 2 and a CMD MM-1. Sure it won't have all of the same controls but it has enough controls to map to do equivalent things... plus you have $1200 extra to buy supplemental controllers. | Augustina Zulu
13.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by faderswagger
My real problem with using a hardware mixer is mixing four decks.... In order to mix four decks, you need a sound card with 5 outs (audio 10 is almost $600). You also need a four deck mixer obviously, which also tend to be very expensive. Before you know it you're almost 2 grand in the hole and havent even bought your controllers yet.
Another option is a mixer with internal sound card. The xone db2 comes in well under $2k street price and you get 4 decks just by plugging in the usb, also you don't have to manage all of the cables from the interface to the mixer. | Natalia Bucko
13.06.2012 | It really depends on how you DJ... Which controls/features you need access to is what decided which gear you need.
My real problem with using a hardware mixer is mixing four decks.... In order to mix four decks, you need a sound card with 5 outs (audio 10 is almost $600). You also need a four deck mixer obviously, which also tend to be very expensive. Before you know it you're almost 2 grand in the hole and havent even bought your controllers yet.
THIS THING is my upcoming solution to that. So if you're into mixing four decks and don't want an all-in-one, look into that.
And actually the rest of the new CMD line, as someone previously mentioned, would be great if you don't like all-in-ones. | Len Lukawski
13.06.2012 | I believe the Midi Fighter would make for an ideal second controller. | Penny Declerk
13.06.2012 | were on the djtt community
and no one has suggested a midi fighter as a secondary controller? | Jonathan Chiuchiolo
13.06.2012 | two of my mates have them, same issues with both, granted they play shranz so a little heavy handed with them, I don't know anyone with a k2 but had a play with one in the shop and the controls feel more solid to me and having had a 1d I can attest to allen & heaths component quality, accept of coarse for their terrible jog wheel design, and personally I'm not a fan of having labeled buttons as it's harder for me to get used to different mappings when you have a name staring you in the face that's why I have never bothered to remap my contour anyway. | Celestine Porebski
13.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by synthet1c
k2 will last much longer as it has far better construction... the X1 typically lasts about a year before the knobs get loose.
What are you basing that statement on? Have you had problems with an X1? I haven't heard of anything of that sort (and my X1 isn't giving me any trouble)
While the K2 does look interesting (especially having that built in sound card), I do prefer the X1 layout - and there is something to be said about having labelled buttons. | Antonetta Wikel
13.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by synthet1c
k2 will last much longer as it has far better construction... the X1 typically lasts about a year before the knobs get loose.
Why am I reminded of my ex girlfriend? | Jonathan Chiuchiolo
13.06.2012 | k2 will last much longer as it has far better construction... the X1 typically lasts about a year before the knobs get loose. | Madelene Witek
12.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by smittten
Damn it!
He's just such a scumbag I had to do it.
Well I believe that settles it, X1 it is. | Celina Crusey
12.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by Sn0wday
I believe it comes down to whether to get a k2 or an X1, anyone wanna point out any big determining factors?
The k2 has a soundcard in it. The only thing that keeps me from doing a mixer + k2 combo is i won't be able to record my mixes that way. The k2 doesn't have any inputs in it (only outputs for speakers/headphones) so there's no way to send the master out from the mixer into them. Your best bet is to go for a mixer + audio 4/6/8/10 + kontrol x1 | Len Lukawski
12.06.2012 | Damn it! | Madelene Witek
12.06.2012 | I believe it comes down to whether to get a k2 or an X1, anyone wanna point out any big determining factors?
Originally Posted by smittten
SnOwday: Are you really the Expert Village YouTube guy?
Hahahaha, no. I wish |
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