2 Channel mixer + mic channel = 3 channels?

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2 Channel mixer + mic channel = 3 channels?
Posted on: 18.06.2012 by Rosario Whitington
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Lela Umanskaya
20.06.2012
Originally Posted by audiolive
With out going right through the full technical break down of whats involved yes it does
No, it doesn't. There is no magical "mic level" setting in the pro audio world (hence why audio consoles have a variable gain setting and not a switch with fixed settings), and if there was would it be based on something like a SM58, or a e865? That's a very large difference in level.

changes the impedance
That is what a DI does. It takes a high-impedance, unbalanced signal that would otherwise be subject to signal lose and interference (noise) over a long cable run and converts it to a low-impedance, balanced signal. But since you've been building them for 15 years now you know all this.

isolates the signal.
The nicer ones do at least
Claude Koveleski
20.06.2012
Originally Posted by rotebass
That's not what a DI does at all.
With out going right through the full technical break down of whats involved yes it does and also changes the impedance and isolates the signal. Only been making them for around 15 years or so now.
Reda Holdsworth
19.06.2012
Originally Posted by DJWORX
Check out the Rodec Scratchbox. It has an almost complete 3rd channel that can be routed into each channel or the main mix. Our review is here. And it's my 2 channel mixer of choice.
The scratchbox looks bad ass but $999 is steep IMO....
Rosario Whitington
20.06.2012		I won't buy from EBay USA, because the taxes are to high, but thanks for telling!
It has to be inside Europe
Leeanna Ayla
20.06.2012		There's a Nuo 4.0 on ebay that ends in a few hours sitting at $300 right now.
Lela Umanskaya
20.06.2012
Originally Posted by audiolive
With out going right through the full technical break down of whats involved yes it does
No, it doesn't. There is no magical "mic level" setting in the pro audio world (hence why audio consoles have a variable gain setting and not a switch with fixed settings), and if there was would it be based on something like a SM58, or a e865? That's a very large difference in level.

changes the impedance
That is what a DI does. It takes a high-impedance, unbalanced signal that would otherwise be subject to signal lose and interference (noise) over a long cable run and converts it to a low-impedance, balanced signal. But since you've been building them for 15 years now you know all this.

isolates the signal.
The nicer ones do at least
Claude Koveleski
20.06.2012
Originally Posted by rotebass
That's not what a DI does at all.
With out going right through the full technical break down of whats involved yes it does and also changes the impedance and isolates the signal. Only been making them for around 15 years or so now.
Rosario Whitington
20.06.2012		I must say, the Scratchbox looks awesome, but it's still expensive:/

I also like the Ecler Nuo series, alot!
Kiyoko Wellisch
20.06.2012		Dude, the mini "mic" channel on the Ecler Nuo 2.0 is perfect for the sample decks in my opinion. It switches to a line level input and you have a volume knob, gain knob and a fairly pointless 2 band EQ.

Drop a good crossfader in it and you have a fine little mixer
Reda Holdsworth
19.06.2012
Originally Posted by DJWORX
Check out the Rodec Scratchbox. It has an almost complete 3rd channel that can be routed into each channel or the main mix. Our review is here. And it's my 2 channel mixer of choice.
The scratchbox looks bad ass but $999 is steep IMO....
Renaldo Chansky
19.06.2012		Check out the Rodec Scratchbox. It has an almost complete 3rd channel that can be routed into each channel or the main mix. Our review is here. And it's my 2 channel mixer of choice.
Rosario Whitington
19.06.2012		Yeah already considered the empath, but as I said I live in Europe.
I haven't seen one empath on eBay"Europe" yet. I don't want to buy from USA, because the taxes are really high.
Reda Holdsworth
19.06.2012		I've been on the search for a new mixer as well. If you dont need a hamster switch & decide on a 3 channel check out the Rane Empath.

A bunch of nice ones have sold on ebay recently for under 400 bucks.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/290728720305...#ht_500wt_1287

EDIT
Sorry i overlooked this was on your list...
Rosario Whitington
19.06.2012		Well I believe I'm going to look for an 3-4 channel mixer.
And then get a battlemixer afterwards

Anyone got the vestax pmc280 and do you like it?
Djworx has a great review about the pioneer djm707, I haven't seem many of these, anyone got experience
With it?
Lela Umanskaya
18.06.2012
Originally Posted by audiolive
You could use the mic channel however you will need to use a DI to drop the line level voltage to mic level voltage.
That's not what a DI does at all.
Spencer Kilcoyne
18.06.2012		FEEDIT - quite a lot of 4 channel mixers aren't out and out scratch mixers - not that in they can't take a decent xfader, but that in the fader area is really cluttered. I've never seen an A&H mixer that I'd like to *seriously* scratch on ... too much shit near your hands
Rosario Whitington
19.06.2012		Well I believe I'm really unlucky, TBO.
I live in a small town, where there is only ONE music store, and he doesn't sell DJ gear . So everything I buy is from looking at pictures and others experience:-(
But am I right when I say that the Vestax PMC-280 is the only "great" 4 channel mixer they got? Are there any other 4 channel mixer except from DDM4000, at that pricerange or a little above?

400 euro or a little above is my budget:-)
Augustina Zulu
18.06.2012
Originally Posted by FEEDIT
The Allen & Heath db:2 looks sweet, but there is one problem.
HOLY SHIT it's expensive:-)
I mean it cost nearly the same as 2x rane empath here in Europe:-) the djm700 on the other side is more affordable here.
But anyway, I definitely see your point in having 4 channels even though I only use 3 of them

I've heard a lot of positive feedback on Vestax, and the more I read about them, the better I start to like them. Are the pmc-280 the only 4 channel mixer from Vestax that has potential, and can you scratch with it?
I got my DB:2 new and well below the MSRP but I've always had good luck with Vestax too - great value for the money. Def try to play on whatever you are looking at. Some things are really hard to tell from pics and feature sheets.
Rosario Whitington
18.06.2012		The Allen & Heath db:2 looks sweet, but there is one problem.
HOLY SHIT it's expensive:-)
I mean it cost nearly the same as 2x rane empath here in Europe:-) the djm700 on the other side is more affordable here.
But anyway, I definitely see your point in having 4 channels even though I only use 3 of them

I've heard a lot of positive feedback on Vestax, and the more I read about them, the better I start to like them. Are the pmc-280 the only 4 channel mixer from Vestax that has potential, and can you scratch with it?
Augustina Zulu
18.06.2012		Having recently gone through the mixer research/purchase process, I would recommend going with a four channel mixer. I was in almost the exact same situation as you except that I wanted 2 channels for (non DVS) TTs, 2 line channels for T2/X1 and an aux for samples etc. I was replacing a scratch mixer with only a mono on the mic channel so that wasn't cutting it. I was also looking at a lot of the same mixers you are but I quickly ruled out (2 channel) scratch mixers because like people said, the mic channel is not usually full featured and you're lucky if you even get eqs.

I was pretty set on an empath rotary for a while but when I played with it I really missed the level meters on the channels. The price was also an issue. I fully respect the Rane brand andd build quality but you can get so much more mixer for that price with other quality brands. The xone 42 comes in well below the emapth, has 4 channels, filters, channel meters. This got me believeing - what would I plug into the 4th channel? and I quickly came up with a whole lot of answers. In your post you say the third channel is"for remix decks or Maschine". Why not both?

The other reason I chose a 4 track is that it's a standard - Traktor has 4 decks, 4 channel mixers are what you find at real gigs, they are just going to be more compatible with current and future products so chances are you will keep it around longer and find more uses for it. So for me it came down to DJM-700 vs. DB:2 and the features/price point was better on the DB:2 at the cost of being a less "standard" choice.
Rosario Whitington
18.06.2012		Tanks for the replies!
Well then I'll go hunting for a 4 channel mixer.
Actually, I've already found some.

Ecler nuo 4.0
Vestax pmc-280
Denon dn-x1100
Behringer ddm4000
And if I can find a cheap one; Allen & Heath xone: 92 / 62 / 42

Got any other mixer, thats good for scratchings?
Romelia Stankard
18.06.2012		If the mic/3rd channel is switchable to line input then yes you can use it


Or just look at 4 channel mixers- they aren't really more expensive than 3 channel mixers and you can get lots of nice 4 channel mixers for the price of an empath. Most manufacturers just don't bother making 3 channel mixers anymore when people want to buy 4 channel mixers.
Claude Koveleski
18.06.2012		You could use the mic channel however you will need to use a DI to drop the line level voltage to mic level voltage.It will also only be a mono channel. Also most mixers only really have a volume pot for the mic and a few also have basic hi and low shelf EQ's (bass and treble). Not really the best for mixing IMO. Buy a 3 channel or 4 channel mixer and be done with it.

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